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patrioticliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:02 PM
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Another new Rove bullshit story on yahoo: Rove E-Mailed Security Official
Rove E-Mailed Security Official About Talk
By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer
27 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - After mentioning a CIA operative to a reporter, Bush confidant Karl Rove alerted the president's No. 2 security adviser about the interview and said he tried to steer the journalist away from allegations the operative's husband was making about faulty Iraq intelligence.

The July 11, 2003, e-mail between Rove and then-Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley is the first showing an intelligence official knew Rove had talked to Matthew Cooper just days before the Time magazine reporter wrote an article identifying Valerie Plame as a CIA officer.

"I didn't take the bait," Rove wrote in an e-mail obtained by The Associated Press, recounting how Cooper tried to question him about whether President Bush had been hurt by the new allegations.

The White House turned the e-mail over to prosecutors, and Rove testified to a grand jury about it last year.

Earlier in the week before the e-mail, Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, had written a newspaper opinion piece accusing the Bush administration of twisting prewar intelligence, including a "highly doubtful" report that Iraq bought nuclear materials from Niger.

"Matt Cooper called to give me a heads-up that he's got a welfare reform story coming," Rove wrote in the e-mail to Hadley.

"When he finished his brief heads-up he immediately launched into Niger. Isn't this damaging? Hasn't the president been hurt? I didn't take the bait, but I said if I were him I wouldn't get Time far out in front on this."

Frederick Jones, a spokesman for Hadley, now Bush's national security adviser, said he could not comment due to the continuing criminal investigation. Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, said his client answered all the questions prosecutors asked during three grand jury appearances, never invoking his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination or the president's executive privilege guaranteeing confidential advice from aides.

Rove, Bush's closest adviser, turned over the e-mail as soon as prosecutors opened a criminal investigation into who leaked Plame's covert work for the CIA.

He later told a grand jury the e-mail was consistent with his recollection that his intention in talking with Cooper that Friday in July 2003 wasn't to divulge Plame's identity but to caution Cooper against certain allegations Plame's husband was making, according to legal professionals familiar with Rove's testimony.

They spoke only on condition of anonymity because of the secrecy of the grand jury investigation.

Rove sent the e-mail shortly before leaving the White House early for a family vacation that weekend, already aware that another journalist he had talked with, syndicated columnist Robert Novak, was planning an article about Plame and Wilson.

Rove also knew that then-CIA Director George Tenet planned later that same day to issue a dramatic statement that took responsibility for some bad Iraq intelligence but that also called into question some of Wilson's assertions, the legal sources said.

The AP reported Thursday that Rove acknowledged to the grand jury that he talked about Plame with both Cooper and Novak before they published their stories but that he originally learned about the operative's identity from the news media, not government sources.

Republicans cheered the latest revelations Friday, saying they showed Rove wasn't trying to hurt Plame but instead was trying to informally warn reporters to be cautious about some of Wilson's claims.

"What it says is, Karl Rove wasn't the leaker, he was actually the recipient of the information not the provider," Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman said on Fox News. "So there are probably a lot of folks in Washington who have prejudged this, who have rushed to judgment who are trying to smear Karl Rove."

Democrats, however, said that even if Rove wasn't the leaker, someone still divulged Plame's identity and possibly violated the law.

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and other party leaders asked Speaker Dennis Hastert on Friday to let Congress hold hearings into the controversy regardless of the criminal probe now under way.

"In previous Republican Congresses the fact that a criminal investigation was under way did not prevent extensive hearings from being held on other, much less significant matters," Pelosi wrote.

Federal law prohibits government officials from divulging the identity of an undercover intelligence officer. But in order to bring charges, prosecutors must prove the official knew the officer was covert and nonetheless knowingly outed his or her identity.

Rove's conversations with Novak and Cooper took place just days after Wilson suggested in his opinion piece in The New York Times that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was used to exaggerate the Iraqi threat.

Summarizing a trip he made to Africa on behalf of the CIA, Wilson wrote that he'd concluded it was highly doubtful the nation of Niger had sold uranium yellowcake to Iraq. Tenet issued a lengthy statement five days later saying that he never should have allowed Bush to use the Niger information in his State of the Union address but that Wilson's report did not resolve whether Iraq was seeking uranium from abroad.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050716/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_rove
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:08 PM
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1. It doesn't tell you anything. He wouldn't put in there he outed Wilson's
wife anyways. Was trying to cover his tracks as usual. He is toast.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:09 PM
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2. Oh Brother
:puke:

There's a little column in the Indy paper called 'Let It Out' where people can call or write in 2-3 sentence snippets to vent ... and some asswad actually wrote that President Clinton's LIE was more damaging to the nation than Rove's.

WHAT THE FUCK are these sheeple SMOKING ???? :eyes:
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:15 PM
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3. Sadly, our home state is redder than red. And bozos abound.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:44 PM
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5. Hippiechick...
Do you post on the star board? I used to, but had to give it up due
to constant headaches from reading so many postings by Morans.

I was actually accused of inciting sedition by one idiot who makes
about 60 posts a day from "work" at her government job.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:11 AM
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8. I can't handle it ...
I tried once - about 4 years ago maybe ? - and the overwhelming stupidity and spite that came flying back at me was more than I could deal with.

I enjoy an intelligent discussion with people who are misinformed ... but the willfully ignorant and belligerent folks on that board send me running in the opposite direction.

Where is Wanamaker, by the way ? :hi:
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:26 AM
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9. Wanamaker is a very small town surrounded by Indy...
Kind of like Beech Grove. I actually live a couple miles south of Wanamaker, about 3 blocks
from Franklin Township High School. In the area of Edgewood Ave. and Franklin Rd.

Nice to meet you! :hi:
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:24 PM
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4. Well, gee...
... more of the "Karl was blowing the whistle" on a liar trying to embarrass the White House drivel.

Let's see how the facts stand up:

Wilson told the truth about the Niger uranium.

The documents on which the claim was made were forgeries.

Rove and others immediately after Wilson's op-ed made plans to contact the press and say that Wilson was lying for personal or political reasons.

Novak did reveal the name of a CIA NOC officer who had operations going at the moment.

Some number of people in the White House violated the terms of their security agreement.

Every other White House claim about the need to invade Iraq has been a lie.

I don't think this is too difficult to figure out... from the evidence.
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pgh_dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:04 PM
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6. And as has been pointed out elsewhere...Rove *didn't* correct
CBS on TANG when asked, nor was he 'shopping around' info to help Isikoff et al avoid making a 'false story from a false premise' in relation to the reports of prisoners' Qurans being flushed down toilets in Gitmo.

I guess he learned his lesson when Fitzgerald was appointed, it just doesn't pay to be sooooo helpful...that mean and nasty press will just twist around your honest-ta-pete effort to correct folks' misperceptions, and make it into some big hullaballoo about compromising national security...whatever THOSE big words mean.

:sarcasm:
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meg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:45 PM
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7. Rove neatly adds Hadley to the list of co-conspirators
Nice. Also, doesn't absolve Rove of divulging classified info to Novak and Cooper. Also, why didn't Rove or Hadley STOP Novak or at least try to. Why does Novak go on to leak Plame's cover company?

This article shows Rove in deep deep trouble.
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:36 AM
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10. Will this turn into a he said, they said between Rove and the reporters?
I wonder how Novak, Cooper and Miller are going to like that one. Would this kind of story from Rove impel them to set the record straight about the actual conversation since it pretty much puts the spotlight back in their direction?
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:32 AM
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11. There's a reason this was the Friday night dump
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 02:33 AM by atre
This shows several facts very damaging for the Administration:

(1) It shows coordination and conspiracy; if the NSA office was also involved, that tends to show that the whole Administration was a part of a conspiracy to leak her name, which means this thing goes all the way up to the very top.

(2) It shows motive. Now we know why Rove wanted this information out: to supress the press's interest in Wilson's allegations by warning them they'll have egg on their face if they run with it. It shows that they had already planned to publicly discredit Wilson, and (just like they did with Rather) they are warning certain members of the press to stay off to avoid future embarassment.

(3) This goes hand-in-hand with number 2, but it also shows the White House was very, very concerned about Wilson's allegations, lending some weight to their credibility.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 06:31 AM
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12. Are Congressional hearings a good idea at this point?
I tend to think not. The prosecutor seems to be doing a thorough job. I worry that hearings will muddy the waters and possibly disrupt this criminal probe. And don't the offers of immunity in exchange for testimony screw up the prosecutions later? Not to mention that witnesses will impeach themselves with minor variations from their grand jury testimony (happens all the time) which will again make it harder to prosecute.

But, I wish they would hold hearings about election fraud.
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