It Appears George Tenet is DEEP THROAT II

[Dems Will Win]

AT CIA HQ, THE CIA MEMORIAL WALL FOR THE 83 AGENTS KILLED IN SERVICE

This article from the WP on Sept 28, 2003 points to Tenet being the senior official as he is the source in some of the rest of the article. On the record, off the record. Tenet had access to the CIA internal investigation of the Plame case and so would have known these facts and clearly had motive, being blamed for the WH for everything.

If so, that would explain his resignation in June 2-3 2004. And it means there is a Deep Throat II, as informed as Mark Felt, the original Deep Throat, was in Watergate. Bush and Cheney are then in Deep Shit if Tenet is Deep Throat II, no?

Tenet could confirm the extent of the damage done by blowing the Brewster-Jennings cover as would Deputy Pavitt, and we know they both testified and would have brought this up. Are we not looking at then the Espionage Act, Conspiracy, Obstruction of Justice and not mere perjury or the Intelligence Identities Act?

Are we not then looking at the cataclysmic implosion of the Bush/Cheney Nightmare, saved by CIA Director George Tenet and our Republican hero: Patrick Fitzgerald?

From the Sept 2003 WP:

-snip-

The officer's name was disclosed on July 14 in a syndicated column by Robert D. Novak, who said his sources were two senior administration officials.

Yesterday, a senior administration official said that before Novak's column ran, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife. Wilson had just revealed that the CIA had sent him to Niger last year to look into the uranium claim and that he had found no evidence to back up the charge. Wilson's account touched off a political fracas over Bush's use of intelligence as he made the case for attacking Iraq.

"Clearly, it was meant purely and simply for revenge," the senior official said of the alleged leak.

-snip-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A11208-2003Sep27¬Found=true

If Tenet and Pavitt are blowing the whistle on Brewster Jennings as well as the Niger Forgeries and the other pushbacks from the WH Iraq Group, including Bolton fighting the INR people over Niger and so on, don't you think this will be worse than Watergate?

Prediction based on Tenet being Deep Throat II: We could be looking at not just Rove's indictment in the next two weeks, as Cooper told the Grand Jury the July 11 conversation was not about welfare reform, and that Rove mentioned "this would be declassified soon" and especially "I've already said too much". We could be looking at multiple indictments under the Espionage Act that also involves Bush and Cheney.

These indictments will include the full damage done to Brewster Jennings, possibly including the loss of agents and informants. This sort of thing is actually always handled through the low bar of the Espionage Act. Libby will be indicted--along with Cheney--and Bush will be named as an unindicted co-conspirator. Based at least on the President trying to coverup Rove's involvement through McClellan, if not Tenet dropping the dime on him.

The VP does not get impeached--he can just be indicted if I understand my Constitution. Only the President and Judges get impeached.

See, George Tenet hates leaks--especially ones that endanger "his" agents. He has a temper--and he knows how to use it.

July 1, 2005 on the WH lawn after TIME says it will release e-Mails:



The book in the top photo contains the names of the agents who could be named, but 35 still could not be identified.

[eleny]

1. Tenet to Cheney to Libby to Reporters?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

2. What?? Why would Tenet give Cheney the time of day?

[Dems Will Win]

3. No Tenet is the source who tattled on the WH

in Sept 28 2003 WP article. He did not leak. What I'm saying is he is talking and telling Fitzgerald literally where all the bodies are buried--and he oughta know.

If I'm right, and Tenet himself is blowing the whistle, Cheney and Bush himself are in deep shit and that's why they lawyered up right after firing Tenet in June 2004!

[eleny]

5. Okay - then how about Bolton as proposed by Justin Raimondo

Posted yesterday here at DU:
"After the War Party met in solemn conclave, and the command went out from Cheney: "Bring me the head of Joe Wilson!", there was only one logical place for Cheney's minions to go. Who in the administration would've had access to the specific information regarding Plame-Wilson's role in a deep-cover CIA operation involving nuclear proliferation? Why, the man who was the State Department deputy secretary in charge of "weapons of mass destruction" – the somewhat irritable if not downright reckless John Bolton, would-be ambassador to the UN, who played a central role in promulgating the Niger Uranium Myth."
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/

[Dems Will Win]

6. Bolton may have even asked for NSA wiretaps of Wilson

or his opponents at State like Armitage and Ford. That's why the WH refuses to turn over those NSA intercepts perhaps. It was a two-prong counter attack against Powell, Tenet and Wilson by Bolton at State and the WHIG team in the WH.

There is little doubt in my mind that Bush and Cheney knew all.

[eleny]

10. On a side note -

I just watched the Bob Schieffer video at Crooks and Liars and it irritated the heck out of me. He's there asking why the president didn't just haul everyone in and demand to get to the bottom of things. Like it's some Andy Hardy movie and the president is old man Judge Hardy.

Schieffer didn't get to where he's at by being that naive. Or is he trying to coddle the public along to help them finally stumble onto the realization of truth in a flash some night?

I have no doubt whatsoever that Bush and Cheney and Blair knew all because they helped concoct the whole thing.

[Jackpine Radical]

54. Well, maybe...

(although I generally wouldn't give Schieffer this much credit) he's trying to get True Believers to asay, Yeah, George shoulda called everybody on the carpet...hey, why didn't he do that? (first crack in shell of denial is made)

[dooner]

57. I do think Shieffer is a coddler for the older folks...

But he seems like a decent enough guy to me.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

63. I think you have Powell on the wrong side.

[dooner]

55. So why did Tenet accept the Medal from Bush?

(Is it the Medal of Freedom?)

If he was having a battle with Bush, why accept the medal? It seemed a little strange to me at the time, because I always hoped Tenet was really pissed.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

62. Because he didn't have a choice...to do otherwise would have been...

...an embarrassment to the Agency he had served for so long.

The dispute between JFK and the Agency is well documented...why then did Dulles and Bissell accept their awards after Dulles and Bissell were FIRED by JFK for their roles in the Bay of Pigs disaster?

Accepting an award of that nature is a way to hide one's anger at the one bestowing the award.

[flpoljunkie]

84. Photo of Tenet that day, expression is interesting, somewhat inscrutable

click on this link: http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/images/I571-2004Dec15L

[Imagevision]

70. Peace offering from * like awarding Tenet for something he did well

which was take the fall for 16 words that made Buysh look like a liar or at the least mis-informed - so just blame it on the CIA who told Condi not to use the Niger statement to begin with.

[BlueStateBlue]

66. If he is spilling his guts, then he really deserves the medal of freedom

* gave him awhile back.
:rofl:

[dooner]

92. Yes, I'd definitely give him a medal for that n/t

[Carla in Ca]

74. That could very well be

Here is another article that explains it. I posted it yesterday because I think explains everything
<http://www.wanttoknow.info/ciaresignations>

COUP D'ETAT: The Real Reason Tenet and Pavitt
Resigned from the CIA on June 3rd and 4th
Bush, Cheney Indictments in Plame Case Looming

snip...

First Clue: James Pavitt was Valerie Plame's boss. So was George Tenet.

snip...


By definition, Valerie Plame was an NOC. Yet unlike all other NOCs who fear exposure and torture or death from hostile governments and individual targets who have been judged threats to the United States, she got done in by her own President, whom we also judge to be a domestic enemy of the United States. Moreover, as we will see below, Valerie Plame may have been one of the most important NOCs the CIA had in the current climate. Let's look at just how valuable she was.

snip...

ARAMCO is the largest oil group in the world, a state-owned Saudi company in partnership with four major US oil companies. One of them is ExxonMobil which gave up one of its board members, Condoleezza Rice, when she became the National Security Adviser to George Bush. All of ARAMCO's key decisions are made by the Saudi royal family while US oil expertise, personnel and technology keeps the cash coming in and the oil going out. ARAMCO operates, manages, and maintains virtually all Saudi oil fields - 25% of all the oil on the planet.

It gets better. According to a New York Times report on March 8th of this year, ARAMCO is planning to make a 25% investment in a new and badly needed refinery to produce gasoline. The remaining 75% ownership of the refinery will go to the only nation that is quickly becoming America's major world competitor for ever-diminishing supplies of oil: China.

Almost the entire Bush administration has an interest in ARAMCO. The Boston Globe reported that in 2001 ARAMCO had signed a $140 million multi-year contract with Halliburton, then chaired by Dick Cheney, to develop a new oil field. Halliburton does a lot of business in Saudi Arabia. Current estimates of Halliburton contracts or joint ventures in the country run into the tens of billions of dollars.

[malaise]

4. Wasn't the medal supposed to silence him

I wonder??

[snowbear]

20. You mean the "hush medal"?

Yep.. So he'd keep his trap shut..

[dooner]

56. Would an outraged person keep their mouth shut for a medal?

(Does the medal come with "extras")

[sendero]

96. Of course not..

.... but Bush** judges situations by how he would react, not how a normal person would - because he has no idea what a normal person would do in any particular circumstance.

Hey it was worth a try :)

[napi21]

7. What is Tenet doing now?

I don't think anybody believes the reasons any of these people give for quiting are ever real, but I'd be interested to find out what George is dong now. Did he get some cushy job with a friend of the WH?

He sure would be in the perfect spot to be a close of Deep Throat. I'm sure he was very pi**ed that the WH blamed the Intelligence community for everything that went wrong. So ther's motive.

Being out of the Gov't, he has opportunity.

Hmmm.

[Dems Will Win]

14. He's out of government so Bush can't

claim Executive Privilege either.

They know Tenet is blowing the whistle on them just like Nixon knew Felt was Deep Throat. At this point, the only strategy left is to stonewall it for as long as you can remain in power, just like Watergate.

That's why they shut up this week and started throwing out things like, it's just a third-rate burglary--I mean Rove did not commit a crime and Lou Dobbs called it a Silly Leak.

They are toast and they will simply hang on for as long as possible.

[CoffeeCat]

73. I'm guessing that Bush had a little "It's time for you to go"...

...conversation with Tenet.

BushCo couldn't wait to interject one of their own at the helm of the CIA.

They wanted Goss in there the day they took office. Tenet was no help to them. In fact, he was a hindrance. He wasn't an evil, psychopathic warmonger--so he had to go.

My guess is that Junior took Tenet aside and said, "Look. Things are only going to get ugly, because you're not our man. Step aside--you'll get a shiny medal and a nice retirement package." Disgusted, Tenet probably figured it would be less trouble to exit.

Tenet's medal is quite an oddity. What did he do to deserve a medal from Bush? Bush spent a great deal of time blaming the CIA for 9/11, and fending off attacks from CIA leakers. Bush was no fan of Tenet and how he did his job.

I would imagine that Tenet would talk. He was no Bush loyalist.

One thing is really off though...how in the world did Junior get Tenet to agree to the "slam dunk" remark. We all know Tenet never said that. We know it's not true--even more today. Tenet probably knew better than any of us--that Saddam having WMD was no "slam dunk." Maybe Tenet taking the fall was the price he paid for retiring with a medal and God-knows what else. Maybe Tenet figured he'd play along---knowing that he'd be spilling the beans when the time was right.

Man, Tom Clancy couldn't write stuff this good!

I wonder who will play Junior in the feature film? My guess is Haley Joel Osment. Pass the 'corn!

[benddem]

8. this plan had been in the works for months

They knew that Wilson was shopping his story around to Washington reporters and it was too hot...no one would take the bait. They had all the time in the world to get this ready. Tenet probably found out and was disgusted. I can't wait for his book.

[eleny]

18. They were probably planning a strategy as soon as they saw Wilson's report

Wilson is a straight shooter. His personality didn't emerge overnight. And they knew from his facing down Saddham that Wilson was tough as nails, too. So, I would imagine that as soon as his report went up the ranks and got to the WH, they started a contingency plan in case he went public. But "oh what a tangled web we weave".

[wallwriter]

9. That group photo is the best!!

[Dems Will Win]

27. Look at Rove

What is he thinking?!?!?

[On Par]

11. Have We Forgotten John McLaughlin ?????

As Tenet's temporary successor, ala Mark Felt to Hoover, and someone who ranted at the press stating "we have stars on the walls!" Meaning, CIA were killed in Iraq. Also, seeing the politicalization of the CIA as Felt was witnessing in the FBI...

This may be a dark horse consideration.

[napi21]

16. You're right. I did forget about him.

I'm sure he was hoping to get the BIG JOB too, but nobody paid any attention to him! He was really pi**ed the last time i heard him testify before a committee!

[Dems Will Win]

21. There's actually 3 Deep Throats this time

If Tenet talked, then so did his Deputy Director and so did John McClaughlin. All of them and many other top brass purged by Porter Goss (in revenge no doubt).

You can see how this all confirms itself.

[Independent_Liberal]

31. Isn't Sibel Edmonds one of our Deep Throats?

Many of you have said she is.

[Dems Will Win]

37. I'm using Deep Throat in the sense

that someone high up, as Mark Felt was #2 at the FBI, is the Deep Throat of the Plame Scandal. Except there are probably 3 Deep Throats for Fitzgerald testifying directly to the Grand Jury: #1, 2, and 3 at CIA: Tenet, Pavitt, McClaughlin.

[Sydnie]

46. Maybe not in revenge ... maybe just like Felt - because it was the right

thing to do for the country. If they give a little payback for them being so corrupt, then so be it.

[liberalla]

76. God I hope you're right!

Revenge of the CIA!!!! Sweet!

This just makes me boil when I think about all of it... and then Goss! Yech! You know he can't even sit in the daily briefings now--since Negroponte has been crowned top Spy King.

I wonder if that is related to this CIA stuff... Even though Goose, oops, I mean Goss is their own chosen guy, they are keeping him out of the inner circle. Hmmm...

Can't wait to read the Grand Jury findings...

[robertpaulsen]

12. Thanks Dems Will Win! Great to see that article again.

That's what people seem to be forgetting - the leakers didn't just blow Valerie Plame's cover, they blew her entire front company, Brewster Jennings. I'm trying to find a link to the article Novakula wrote after naming Plame that named her cover company - that's the leak that makes the scope of the conspiracy bigger than violating the Intelligence Identities Act.

One question: if the Vice President can't be impeached, is it only a conviction that would force him to resign? I think that's how Agnew went down, but that was before my time.

[Dems Will Win]

19. That's correct. Novakula leaked TWICE for Cheney & Rove

The name of the CIA front company was broadcast yesterday by Novak, the syndicated journalist who originally identified Plame. Novak, highlighting Wilson's ties to Democrats, said on CNN that Wilson's "wife, the CIA employee, gave $1,000 to Gore and she listed herself as an employee of Brewster-Jennings & Associates."

"There is no such firm, I'm convinced," he continued. "CIA people are not supposed to list themselves with fictitious firms if they're under a deep cover -- they're supposed to be real firms, or so I'm told. Sort of adds to the little mystery."

In fact, it appears the firm did exist, at least on paper. The Dun & Bradstreet database of company names lists a firm that is called both Brewster Jennings & Associates and Jennings Brewster & Associates.

The phone number in the listing is not in service, and the property manager at the address listed said there is no such company at the property, although records from 2000 were not available.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A40012-2003Oct3¬Found=true

[peacetalksforall]

44. One of the purposes of a cover company is to have a W2 that does

not say CIA. Right?

[1monster]

28. Agnew was indicted and resigned. His conviction (I believe he pleaded

nolo contendere) came after his resignation.

[Dems Will Win]

32. That's correct. It took about 3 weeks I believe

Cheney would be forced into the same legal escape. Then Bush must pardon him before a trial begins.

But Bush cannot pardon himself. That's the one person he cannot pardon. So he must make a deal and be able to trust whoever becomes his VP.

[robertpaulsen]

38. I am looking forward to that scenario with chilled champagne.

The only way Bush can hope to get a pardon, if Cheney is indicted and Bush is named as a co-conspirator, is if Cheney resigns and Bush picks someone sure to pardon himself after he resigns. That would make his successor an automatic lameduck, ala Gerald Ford.

So who can he trust willing to sacrifice his (or her) political future for a two year Presidency?

[Dems Will Win]

40. Bill Frist will be VP I bet

Then President. He's their butt boy. Then Rudy is made VP to keep him from running against Frist.

It's pretty clear to me but you never know in politics.

[robertpaulsen]

49. Frist is a good candidate for Ford II.

But I'm hoping that Dumbya chooses brother Jeb in a state of paranoia with the whole house of cards tumbling around him. Then again, Jeb is supposedly the "smart" Bush and might refuse the offer. If my history is correct, Ford was such a virtual lameduck that Reagan almost beat him in the primaries in 1976. Seeing how Frist has been toting the BFEE line, he probably is likely.

Then again, there's nobody the BFEE trusts more than James Baker. He might get resurrected in a crisis. :scared:

[Auntie Bush]

65. James Baker!!!!!! Now I'm going to have nightmares.

[dooner]

58. and a rocking choir singing "oh happy day"

[DoYouEverWonder]

82. Any government official can be impeached

and if they are impeached the President is not allowed to pardon them.

[Peace Patriot]

91. I don't know why people think a V-P can't be impeached. Unless it is

some peculiar oversight of the Founders, that I am not aware of, there is no reason why the V-P would be exempt from Congressional power to impeach. That would place the V-P essentially outside the law, and exempt from the peoples' representatives, no matter how bad his/her crimes or behavior were. Not even Sup Court justices are exempt. They, too, can be impeached (although the bar is rather high on them).

Imagine this: The V-P gets convicted of a high crime and is ordered to jail by a judge--and the V-P doesn't resign his office. And the President does nothing. So, the V-P presides over the Senate from some penitentiary? That's absurd. And what if the President then dies, or is disabled? The V-P runs the country from jail? Agnew resigned because he was indicted, thus sparing Congress the question of impeaching the V-P. I don't think they've ever been faced with the question of a V-P impeachment, so, if there is some loophole, it has never been addressed, but I imagine it would be if the need arose.

Unfortunately, these Bush "pod people" in Congress seem like the kind of mindless yes-men who might just maintain that Cheney could run the country from jail, or as a convicted felon (if the judge were pressured to let him out). Or Bush, for that matter. I can hear their "talking points" now ("liberal judges," "liberal court, "Democrat/CIA conspiracy"--yak, yak).

That would be something.

Then maybe we, the people, would finally rise up and throw Diebold and ES&S out of the election business.

-----

Note: Congresspeople are exempt from arrest, on any charge whatsoever, if they are in Congress, or are going to and fro on Congressional business. The President and V-P have no such protection, as far as I know. This provision was placed in the C. by the Founders specifically to protect Congresspeople from harassment by the Executive, based on experiences in England and other struggles between monarchs and legislatures. And they went further and separated the Judiciary from the Executive, which were joined in most other governments of the time. The whole thrust of this was to PREVENT development of a monarchy, by creating a "balance of power." Congress is not a sovereign power. Nor is the President--though he may think he is. Nor is the Supreme Court. The only sovereign power in the U.S.of A. is WE, THE PEOPLE!)

[Steven_S]

13. Of all the speculation circulating on DU...

This seems to be the more probable scenario. The investigation appears to be more than just a leak of a name, and I believe it goes much higher and involves more serious crimes than a violation of disclosure laws.

I am not sure about violations of the Espionage Act, so maybe it's time to go Googling.

Outstanding post, by the way.

[robertpaulsen]

36. Is this it?

Espionage Act of 1917
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
(Redirected from Espionage Act)
This act made it a crime, punishable by a $10,000 fine and 20 years in jail, for a person to convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies.

The laws were ruled constitutional in the United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919).

The law was later extended by the Sedition Act of 1918, which made it illegal even to speak out against the government.

During and after World War I the Espionage Act and the Sedition Act were used in prosecutions that would be considered constitutionally unacceptable in the U.S. even in the political climate after the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack on New York's World Trade Center. While much of the laws were repealed in 1921, major portions of the Espionage Act remain part of U.S. law (18 USC 793, 794) and form the legal basis for most classified information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act

[Steven_S]

39. 18 USC 793

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 37 > § 793

§ 793. Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

Release date: 2004-08-06

(a) Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over, or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft, work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad, arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or other place connected with the national defense owned or constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers, departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft, arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on behalf of the United States, or any prohibited place so designated by the President by proclamation in time of war or in case of national emergency in which anything for the use of the Army, Navy, or Air Force is being prepared or constructed or stored, information as to which prohibited place the President has determined would be prejudicial to the national defense; or
(b) Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, and with like intent or reason to believe, copies, takes, makes, or obtains, or attempts to copy, take, make, or obtain, any sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, document, writing, or note of anything connected with the national defense; or
(c) Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, receives or obtains or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain from any person, or from any source whatever, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note, of anything connected with the national defense, knowing or having reason to believe, at the time he receives or obtains, or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain it, that it has been or will be obtained, taken, made, or disposed of by any person contrary to the provisions of this chapter; or
(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,
(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.
(h)
(1) Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States, irrespective of any provision of State law, any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, from any foreign government, or any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, as the result of such violation. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States.
(2) The court, in imposing sentence on a defendant for a conviction of a violation of this section, shall order that the defendant forfeit to the United States all property described in paragraph (1) of this subsection.
(3) The provisions of subsections (b), (c), and (e) through (p) of section 413 of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 853 (b), (c), and (e)–(p)) shall apply to—
(A) property subject to forfeiture under this subsection;
(B) any seizure or disposition of such property; and
(C) any administrative or judicial proceeding in relation to such property,
if not inconsistent with this subsection.
(4) Notwithstanding section 524 (c) of title 28, there shall be deposited in the Crime Victims Fund in the Treasury all amounts from the forfeiture of property under this subsection remaining after the payment of expenses for forfeiture and sale authorized by law.

[Dems Will Win]

43. Here's the part appluing to Rove and Libby et al

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,
(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

[Steven_S]

47. Another applicable paragraph....

(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;


We're just getting started....

[robertpaulsen]

52. Do Libby & Cheney meet this definition of conspiracy?

Or is there a separate conspiracy statute that they would be subject to for additional penalties?

(g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.

[Steven_S]

60. 18 USC 371 Conspiracy.....

§ 371. Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States



If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.



This would appear to cover it. Other chapters cover different areas; business fraud, for instance.

[robertpaulsen]

88. Excellent. Neither perjury, ob. of justice or espionage is a misdemeanor.

You are correct, this definitely qualifies. I am hoping and praying for multiple indictments. Conspiracy is what's going on here, going all the way to the top.

[Larkspur]

15. Then Cheney can be impeached if he becomes President after Bush

is impeached and convicted or resigns. The question is what would Hastert, the Speaker of the House, do as President?

[eleny]

22. Maybe we can get Dem majority and Pelosi is the one!

Just dreamin' and sayin'. :D

[Dems Will Win]

29. Check my handle: Dems Will Win

Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

[Dems Will Win]

26. Cheney would go first as he can just be indicted

Bush would then appoint another VP, likely Frist, who seems to be the chosen neo-con for 2008. Bush then pardons Cheney and everyone else but he can't pardon himself.

Bush then resigns when the articles of impeachment are passed and Frist becomes President, pardoning Bush--but probably not exactly 30 days after Bush goes back to Crawford, as Ford did with Nixon. The PR would kill Frist for '08, as it did Ford.

Frist then gets to choose the VP that Cheney tells him to choose.

I believe Cheney will still be running the country until 2008--even if he is a pardoned felon.

[jaysunb]

42. He'd open a buffet line on every floor of the WH

:evilgrin:

[sellitman]

17. Great post.

This is as much as i have had in years.


DU rocks!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

30. DU Rocks..... oh yeah..... I wonder what rpm's the freepers heads

are spinning at right about now..... seeing the evil altar that they have been worshipping at for all these years.

[Virginian]

48. They can't see it.

The true die hard freepers will never see it. They have been blinded by the kool aid and will swear the lies are truth.

When the Cognitive Dissonance attacks, they will emit loud bursts about Clinton's private anatomy or say Bush served and Clinton was a draft dodger. Rove has created their reality for them and they live in it.

After Rove is indicted, he will start sending a direct feed to Limbaugh to run mind control central. He can't live without doing his mass hypnosis. What would the world do without him? (I'm just guessing his megalomania thoughts.)

[Independent_Liberal]

23. Kick!

[maddezmom]

24. Excellent Post

:thumbsup:

[Independent_Liberal]

25. Is Fitzgerald our Archibald Cox?

Something I was wondering about.

[Virginian]

41. Nixon fired Cox.

I remember the bumper sticker that said:
Impeach the Cox sacker.

[Independent_Liberal]

77. Impeach the Cox Sacker. Ha!

BTW, wasn't there also a bumper sticker at the time that said, "Nixon Has Tape Worms"? Somebody on this board posted a link to it a while back. Does anybody still have the link?

[hootinholler]

33. Nice find!

I don't think revenge was the entire motive, but the story holds water.

-Hoot

[grytpype]

34. Any executive officer can be impeached...

...and the president can be indicted.

[writes2000]

35. I'm betting "Deep Throat 2" is either Tenet or Powell. Tenet makes sense

Especially how many times they tried to blame HIM for not giving them info on Niger when they were the ones who buried the info.

I have no doubt he's pissed. And I have no doubt the medal was meant to buy him off.

[Independent_Liberal]

50. You're right. Powell could be a Deep Throat...

I wouldn't be surprised.

[robertpaulsen]

53. Powell did testify. You could be right.

Powell Testifies In Leak Probe

WARSAW, Poland, Aug. 2, 2004

(CBS/AP) The U.S. grand jury investigating the leak of an undercover CIA operative's name has interviewed Secretary of State Colin Powell, but he is not a subject of the inquiry, the State Department said Sunday.

Department spokesman Richard Boucher, traveling with Powell on a diplomatic visit to Poland, said Powell appeared on July 16 at the grand jury's invitation. "The secretary is not a subject of inquiry," Boucher said. "He was pleased to cooperate with the grand jury."

Powell is the latest official from President Bush's administration to be called before the grand jury in Washington.

White House counsel Alberto Gonzales and spokesman Scott McClellan have been summoned, and grand jury investigators have interviewed Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney in their offices.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/13/politics/main622809.shtml

Wonder what he told them about the Wilson banter on Air Force One?

[Quixote1818]

45. Tenet has always struck me as one of the Good Guys. He has an honest

look about him.

Nominated and kicked. Thanks

[dooner]

59. I always thought so too, until

he sat behind Colin Powell during one of those "ooga booga" speeches that kicked the war into gear. Then he accepted the medal from Bush. Now, I'm not sure.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

64. Doing what you're expected to do in an official capacity and doing what...

...you believe is right are two different things.

Tenet was well-respected by everyone in Congress, and well-liked by his fellow Agency personnel. Who do you think gave the go ahead for retired agency personnel to speak in public in support of Plame?

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

85. That was when Powell spoke to the UN

I have posted a few times about this, asking people if they saw what I saw that day. I thought Tenet's expressions were amazing because he appeared to me to be undercutting everything that Powell was saying. I felt sure that the people at the UN would not have missed the significance of his expressions.

A "Vanity Fair" article came out later that revealed how Powell was pressured to give the speech by Cheney's office and said that Powell was disgusted by the weak evidence he had to present, at one point calling it "shit." The article also said that Cheney's office forced Tenet to sit right behind Powell to back him up. Like I said, it seemed really clear from his expressions that he did not believe in what Powell was saying.

[peacetalksforall]

51. There is another reason for the CIA to work within the law - the whouse

has purposely tried to destroy or convert the CIA.

First, they allowed Rumsfeld to build his Military Intel unit to supercede the CIA.

Then they conducted a propaganda war against the CIA and blamed their failures on the CIA.

Then they exposed the wmd investigation with its Pakistan and Saudi Arabia connections.

Then they attacked a family and a cover company risking the trust of recruits into the future.

Then, my guess is that they wanted Tenet to fall in with them and make some declaration which he refused to do so voila - he's out, but then back he's back in for a pepped up award.

Then they put Goss in there to revamp it their way.

Then they put Chertoff over all of it (probably with the exception of mil intel.)

Now Tenet is writing a book that has to be vetted by Goss?

It's all too obvious what they've been doing, but I have doubts about Tenet earning the name of Deep Throat II. There isn't a parallel here, imo. Deep Throat II to too easy of a name to take on without having any indication of leaking. With the timing of everything, it seems inappropriate.

[shelley806]

61. Enjoyed the read...Please someone explain the "Slam Dunk" remark

that Woodward keeps repeating almost 'mantra-like' every time I see him interviewed on TV. It's spooky! "Eeeut's a SLAYUM DUNK..." What's that all about? Really weird if Tenet is DT2.

[Disturbed]

67. The Bush Regime made the CIA

eat shit and Tenet went along for reasons we may never know. Now that he is outside he can exact his revenge. Don't think for a minute that the rank and file are not still fuming. Forcing Goss on them couldn't have made them any less pissed off.I am not a fan of the CIA but I feel that the rank and file and those that were forced out will not let the trashing stand.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

78. There was a discussion within the White House

I think it was reported in either Woodward or Clark's book - can't remember which - but in any case there's a group sitting around and Tenet is summarizing the case for WMD for Bush as a justification to go to war. Bush says "that's it?" or something along those lines and Tenet responds "It's a slam dunk!"

I have always thought this little exchange was very interesting. For one thing, it shows Bush himself expressing some hesitance that the case was strong enough. It is generally interpreted that Tenet meant the case about WMD was strong. I have ALWAYS interpreted his remark to mean that the SELLING of WMD as a cause to go to war was a slam dunk. Wolfewitz in his Vanity Fair interview flat out said that they decided as a group that WMD was the best excuse they could market for going to war. The most amazing thing is that all of this information has clearly been out there for a long time, long before the DSM, and it has just been flat out ignored by the American public and the press. The White House would have gotten away with all of it, if they had not been brought down by their own petty vindictiveness against Joe Wilson. Wilson's Op-Ed would have died an untimely death just like all these other stories that preceded it.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

80. Something else

Sorry to respond to my own answer, but I forgot something. I think for a brief period of time, Tenet drank as much Kool-Ade as anyone and then I think one day he woke up. I think he was outraged when one of his people was outed. We do not know what the collateral damage was, but there are certainly people who do. Tenet probably knew in his heart of hearts that he was running with a bad crowd. I think Bush gave him the medal in an effort to solidify his allegiance to a cabal he had briefly been a part of. Long term intelligence guys who have been in the reality-based world must have a difficult time adjusting to the pre-ordered custom made intelligence of the Bush World. Porter Goss must know that his role is the tailor who can construct new intelligence for the Bushies out of whole cloth anytime they order it. Just my thoughts

[shelley806]

90. Thanks for your responses to my question re: 'Slam Dunk'...

I have read both of your posts, and agree (fervently hope) that you are right that Tenet initially drank the Kool-Ade. Woodward is currently writing a book about the Bush Presidency, apparently at their request! On a Larry King Live interview, he made the Slam Dunk comment; and to be honest, the way he said it, made me really pay attention. I've heard him say this same thing on several other occasions...I have the impression that he is obsequious to this administration, but his affect is so bland, he is difficult to read. I just find it strange that if Tenet is DT2...I think he was lying about the phony reasons for war; his response lacked conviction for me, and for him to supposedly say 'It's a Slam Dunk,' and this coming from the Deep Throat1 (DT1) reporter, I simply find odd. Coincidences always have meaning IMHO. I think both Tenet and Bush knew. We are not there for Freedom and Democracy...We are there for the Deep Pockets (if you will) of Halliburton et al.




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[gardenista]

68. "35 still could not be identified"

It's chilling to think of the damage that could still be occuring because of this treason.

I'm a cynic, but I hope that those responsible are brought to justice.

[dw]

69. Cheney can be impeached

Article 2, Section 4 of the Constitution: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

[Imagevision]

71. I HOPE LIKE HELL TENET ENDS UP BEING A "DEEP-THROAT"

BUSH BLAMES INTEL FOR 16 WORDS BUSH SHOULD NEVER HAVE USED BECAUSE TENET
SAID IT WASN'T TRUE/FACTUAL! - THEN WILSON TELLS THE WORLD WAHT REALLY WENT DOWN SO ROVE & CREW DISCREDIT WILSON AND HIS WIFE! SIMPLE!

[Imagevision]

72. TIME FOR A NEW ADMINISTRATION, WOULDN'T YOU SAY??

[Bill Bored]

75. Don't forget where Tenet comes from:

New York City!

Next time Shrub, READ THE FUCKING MEMO!

<http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf>

[bklyncowgirl]

79. New L.A. Times Article leak from Deep Throat II?

Someone's claiming that Rove went after Wilson "Because he's a Democrat".

It seems likely that it's Tenet or one of the other CIA officials or possibly Colin Powell why may not have liked the image being painted of him waving the Plame memo around on Air Force One before Plame's cover was blown.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-leak18jul18,0,4779848.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[H2O Man]

81. I believe that three

people who were high ranking officials in the administration have the ability to knee-cap the neocon junta. Tenet is one of the three. While it is not "Deep Throat" in the sense of conversing with the media, even in a limited way, there is a likelihood that two of these three have provided Fitzgerald with information that connected the three leaves of this Irishman's clover: Plame, the document forgeries, and the neocon spy scandal.

Who could do this? I suspect that there is a short list that includes former DCI George Tenet, former Secretary of State Colin Powell, and Powell's best friend, Richard L. Armitage. While it is true that Armitage has been closely associated in the pre-Bush2 days with the jackals in the neocon movement, he was pushed to the side, and saw his best friend marginalized.

I have a degree of respect for Tenet. I appreciate his abilities. And there was a time I respected Powell, though those days have long since passed. Few political figures have been as disappointing as he has ..... Blair, I suppose, as he morphed from a bull dog to a lap dog. However, from years of experience, I've found that it is very important to appreciate the skills of men like Armitage. I think that he knows this administration has betrayed the principles that our country was founded on. So, while I agree with you on Tenet, I'd remind you to consider Richard Armitage as playing an unexpected role in "current events."

[robertpaulsen]

94. Hmm...I never considered Armitage. But looking at what happened to Felt...

When Powell resigned, I thought that being No. 2, Armitage would just move up a notch and take Powell's place. But seeing that he was pushed aside for a hard-core Koolaidoholic like Rice, maybe Armitage has been biding his time to pull his punches. And that's just a little bit of history repeating itself...

It's pretty surprising as a consideration. I always thought that Armitage was Bolton's angel in the State Department, the higher-up who let Bolton get away with his bullying shenanigans. I'm presuming Bolton wrote the Grossman memo Powell brought onto Air Force One and wondering, if Armitage didn't have Bolton's back, which State Department higher-up did?

[H2O Man]

95. I think that

Bolton is Cheney's "son." He was given free reign in his work by Cheney. In that sense, there was only one person above Bolton, and that was the VP.

Armitage and Powell have been "best friends" for a long, long time. Armitage resented the way that other neocons treated Colin. He would have left earlier, but stayed until Powell left. (Way back, on about the 3rd or 4th Plame Thread, I recall saying Armitage was looking to get out, but had decided to stay to help Powell. Powell had made it clear that he was out after November, no matter how the election went.

[robertpaulsen]

97. That makes sense. Dark angels don't get much higher than Cheney.

And the protection he provides within the misadministration seemed iron-clad, pre-Plame anyway.

Looking closer at Armitage, your theory that he might be a "Deep Throat" seems extremely plausible. Look at this:

Powell Aide Says Armitage, Bolton Clashed
Apparent Supporter of U.N. Nominee Said to Have Questioned His Diplomatic Tone

By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 10, 2005; Page A02

Former deputy secretary of state Richard L. Armitage, who last week appeared to endorse John R. Bolton's nomination as U.N. ambassador, had frequent battles with Bolton over his diplomatic tone, a top aide to former secretary of state Colin L. Powell said in an interview released yesterday by Senate investigators.

Larry Wilkerson, Powell's chief of staff, said Armitage was furious about a provocative speech Bolton gave on North Korea in July 2003, though the State Department noted that Armitage's office had approved it. Armitage also ordered the delay of congressional testimony Bolton planned on Syria's weapons programs at the time, he added.

more...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/09/AR2005050901155.html

It seems like Armitage pays public lip service to look good to the neo-cons and put Bush at ease, but behaves quite differently behind the scenes. If I were to guess who informed the grand jury about the existence of the memo on Air Force One, I used to think Tenet or Pavitt. Now I'm leaning toward Powell or Armitage.

[Mary 123]

83. What Happens If.....

What happens if Cheney is indicted and Bush is impeached? Who takes over then? Does the entire Bush/Cheney power abusing administration get out an if so, who replaces them?

[nickinSTL]

86. It depends on the order of events

If Bush or a short-term President Cheney got a chance to name a new VP, that VP would take over.

If not, the next in line is the Speaker of the House. Right now, that's Dennis Hastert (R-IL). If it's after the 2006 election, and in the event (I'm not giving odds on this, just another scenario) the Dems took back the House, then the Dem speaker would succeed (Nancy Pelosi?)

[many a good man]

87. President Pelosi !?

That'd be somethin'!

[bklyncowgirl]

89. Cool! I like the sound of that. nt

[Peace Patriot]

93. Could someone tell me how the Tenet/"Slam dunk" story got into

Woodward's book? Was Woodward a witness to it, or did someone tell him (and who)? Also, has Tenet ever commented on it? Just wondering, a) if the story is true, b) if it got slanted in any way; c) if it was planted, who was trying to screw Tenet with it (and get Bush off the hook about WMDs??).

Note: I don't necessarily trust Woodward, if he says he witnessed it. Just wondering what the provenance is.