I'm in a war with a repug at College Confidential.com Help!

[caligirl]

Here is his last post, he is a real stinker.

I should have read the Downing Street Memo earlier. It's available at the link you offered, sweetkid'smom. I like these two paragraphs:

Quote:
On the first, CDS said that we do not know yet if the US battleplan was workable the military were contuning to ask lots of questions.

For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, or if Baghdad did not collapse and urban warfighting began? You said that Saddam could also use his WMD on Kuwait. Or on Israel, added the Defense Secretary


So the people in the room really believed that Saddam had WMDs. Interesting.

Oh, and this from an op-ed piece written by someone who considered himself an expert on Iraq:

Quote:
I was convinced before the war that the threat of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein required a vigorous and sustained international response to disarm him. Iraq possessed and had used chemical weapons; it had an active biological weapons program and quite possibly a nuclear research program — all of which were in violation of United Nations resolutions. Having encountered Mr. Hussein and his thugs in the run-up to the Persian Gulf war of 1991, I was only too aware of the dangers he posed.


Joe Wilson thought Saddam had WMDs, too.

If all these people, these people who had first hand access to information not controled by the Administration, thought that Saddam had WMDs before the war, are you so sure it wasn't the right thing to think from the evidence, "fixed" (which in Britian means to set your mind to, not rig as it does here in the States) or not?

"Plame, who I understand was an NOC until Novak released her name to the public."

Only because she hadn't been reclassified. She hadn't served as an operative since the CIA decided her cover had been blown in 1997 and brought her back to a desk job at Langley. If she hadn't served as a covert operative outside the country (can't have covert operations in the US, it's against the law), by definition, she's not a covert operative. It's in the statute, plain as day.

That was the point I tried to make earlier. That and the obvious point that if you're a real NOC, you don't park your car at the Langley parking garage everyday for 6 years. Sort of gives the secret away.
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http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=80620&page=1&pp=20

[Catch22Dem]

1. I love it when they play with that word "fixed"

The quote from DSM is: "the intelligence and facts are being fixed around the policy."

Now, try to take that morAn's definition of "fixed" and TRY to fit it into context in that sentence. Can't be done. That's because fixed means fixed, and this dumbshit probably hasn't met a real Brit in his life. LOL

[Gay Green]

2. If that morAn's definition of "fixed" means "bolted onto"

then he's confusing a British engineering term with British AND American English slang for the word, meaning rigged.

[caligirl]

3. I'm out of the war now. morAn is off too. These guys are good at

selective memory and cut and past.

[noamnety]

4. If you are refuting RW talking points

media matters is always a good place to start.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200507070001

[caligirl]

5. thanks thats just what I needed. you were right. This guy started dissing

Wilson, calling him a liar, on que. The day the repug T.points went out.
I don't know why they hang out at college confidential. But they are there.

[noamnety]

6. It's probably one of those young republicans

in the 101st keyboard brigade.

[Emit]

7. Quotes taken out of context can have different meaning then original

A tactic I've seen frequently by the Bush & Co. supporters.

He's taking Wilson's comments out of context. Here's the rest of what Wilson said:

<<snip>>
I was convinced before the war that the threat of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein required a vigorous and sustained international response to disarm him. Iraq possessed and had used chemical weapons; it had an active biological weapons program and quite possibly a nuclear research program — all of which were in violation of United Nations resolutions. Having encountered Mr. Hussein and his thugs in the run-up to the Persian Gulf war of 1991, I was only too aware of the dangers he posed.

But were these dangers the same ones the administration told us about? We have to find out. America's foreign policy depends on the sanctity of its information. For this reason, questioning the selective use of intelligence to justify the war in Iraq is neither idle sniping nor "revisionist history," as Mr. Bush has suggested. The act of war is the last option of a democracy, taken when there is a grave threat to our national security. More than 200 American soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq already. We have a duty to ensure that their sacrifice came for the right reasons.
<<snip>>

As I understand it, Wilson was saying, sure, I was worried about Saddam as a threat which required "vigorous and sustained international response to disarm him" but does that require a war? And it seems Wilson was trying to compare his own concerns with the exaggerated picture Bush & Co. were painting.