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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:21 PM
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Fox: Hannity & Colmes ask "Was Karl Rove Set Up?"
On tonight's H&C.



http://www.foxnews.com/fnctv/index.html

"Hannity & Colmes, 9:00 PM: Rove set-up? Sean and Alan debate the CIA leak that has landed the president's adviser in hot water."
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:23 PM
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1. Actually, only Chin-nity's asking that.
Calmes will meekly go along with it like the spineless punched face he is.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:51 PM
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10. i don't think i can watch
i'm a non violent person but hanutty makes me want to go through the tv and i might end up breaking it. so being that i can't afford a new tv and as not to raise my blood pressure, i think i'll pass. besides, yankees are on tonight and at least they only raise my BP.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:32 PM
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2. didn't hannity once charge that Rove outing Plame..
sounded like a 'conspiracy theory" in that condescending, dismissive tone that he often takes when he doesn't like the facts?

Now who's talking 'conspiracy'?

What a punk.
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pilgrimsoul Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:35 PM
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3. Oooooh! The "Marion Barry" Defense
This should be good for a laugh.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:41 PM
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6. LOL ....that is exactly it N/T
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:46 PM
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8. And I was hoping for the famous Chewbacca defense!
South Park humor.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:48 PM
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9. What does that have to do with the leak? That's what I'm saying....
It doesn't make sense lol
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:35 PM
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4. FOX will not report objectively...
...that is a given.

However, the more air-time this story gets, the better. No such thing as bad publicity.

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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:40 PM
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5. Self-righteous Victimhood...Thy name is Right Wing Conservative
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:42 PM
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7. Yes, by the Vice President's office. Supposedly Rover didn't know
Plame was a NOC and when he found out he told Libby that he wouldn't take the fall for them. (In an article somewhere, so many of 'em I can't keep track.)

So there ya go. Sorry, Shammity, that means it's still a WH conspiracy. oops. :)
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second edition Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:51 PM
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11. What ! Now they want us to believe that the master of set ups has
actually been set up himself! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:54 PM
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12. ROFLMAO
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:57 PM
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13. hahahaha Rove set HIMSELF up.
stupid idiot.....thinks he can get away with treason??
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:16 PM
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14. And to think people actually watch that crap
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writes2000 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:22 PM
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15. Listening to Hannity on the radio now, he's clearly going after Plame
He's pissed at the bias of the media. He's mad especially at Tim Russert. Apparently, the topic really should be about Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame and their suspicious behavior.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:34 PM
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19. And Insanity claims to Support our Troops?? Bullshit.......
What the fuck does he think CIA covert agents are?
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:29 PM
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16. Again, shifting the question. Actually Faux News has been backing away
from Rove and this (plus the president lowering the bar for working in the administration to those only not "convicted" of a crime) are more indications that everyone thinks Rove is in profound trouble.

In fact, the more I do the math, the more I'm certain Rove will godown in Plames, as they say.

The more we learn, the more it seems as though Rove orchestrated the leaking. Today we learn in the NYT that he was rabidly out to get Wilson, a bit rabidly even for some WH staffers. This weekend we learned Cooper probably had more than the two named sources (Rove and Libby) he gave to the grand jury. We also know Rove was the primary source for Cooper and Libby one of his confirming sources. We so know there were at least 6 primary contacts (incl. Miller, Cooper, Novak, and Pincus) as reported. We also know that there were at least two different primary sources (Libby for Novak and Rove for Cooper) and maybe more (remember Miller's source did not explicitly release her, but Cooper's gave him an explicit waver). And we know that 3 contacts confirmed their stories with one or more other "high administration officials." Therefore, there were minimally 9 calls/contacts. All this with every thing we know about Rove strongly suggests coordination, collusion, and/or conspiracy.

Anyone in the administration who discovered the Plame-Wilson-Niger connection would have taken the information to the world master of personal assassination: Rove. (I'm guessing the VP's office first learned the information since they would have felt somewhat responsible for Wilson's trip to Niger. I'm also guessing the topic of leaking the Plame information was discussed at an emergency meeting of the White House Iraq Group). With 6 original calls, Rove would have to make sure that no two officials tried to act as a primary source for a single reporter (it would appear too eager) He would make sure the primary contacts pitched the information in an off-hand manner, not as the main subject, to make the contact think the source is trying to do him or her a favor ("Don't go too far out on this Wilson thing, I don't want you burnt."), etc. He would also have insured that no two official had exactly the same pitch. Then he would have to arrange for a number of officials (probably 3-4) would be ready and willing to confirm the story. Some of the confirming sources could be primary sources for other reporters, but JUST DOING THE NUMBERS one realizes that there had to be at least 4 officials involved and that they coordinated the leak (and maybe later their responses to the prosecutor).

Therefore an indictment appears likely for Rove and 3 others. In addition, Rove will either be indicted for or censured for his role in the coordination.

Rove would have more to coordinate! To establish guidelines like: No source should call another's contact, Pitch the information off hand, not as the main subject, Make the contact think the source is trying to do him or her a favor ("Don't go too far out on this Wilson thing, I don't want you burnt."), etc. AND Rove would have had to field a group of officials to support the sources stories.

And then we haven't even begun to ask the question of how Rove got the information. (Doesn't leaking the information to him also constitute a crime?) Did Plame give information to officials as one report suggested? Why did Ashcroft recluse himself? (This rings of possible involvement of Cheney or W.) Did Rove have the proper clearance prior to becoming Deputy Chief of Staff to have seen the material? Or were other federal laws broken to the effect that classified information was used for political purposes? Etc.

I think the great thing we have going for us on this case is Patrick Fitzgerald. By all accounts a fine prosecutor.
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writes2000 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:35 PM
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20. Great, great post.
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:32 PM
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17. Repeat until blue in the face: Perjury. Obstruction of Justice.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:33 PM
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18. Yeah,by "To stupid to be President" when he decided to invade Iraq...
It all comes back to Chimp and Oil Dick when you look at the big picture. No illegal invasion,no outing.
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