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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:22 PM
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I Just Heard Poll Results That Indicate 60% Support Judith......
Miller in her going to jail to protect her source.

Help me here people. It's one thing to protect a source that provides information of wrongdoing - it's a whole other thing to protect a source that is clearly breaking a law or has malicious intent.

I'm thinking that we need to make this point. On the surface I probably would tend to agree that a journalist should protect their source (if that's all that is asked in the poll or if that's the way the question is asked).

However, if the poll question asks "Should the journalist protect a source that affects our national security or makes us less safe or potentially puts other people in danger." I think the American people would answer differently.

Seems we should make an issue of this.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:24 PM
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1. I wouldn't make anything of it
Most people believe in freedom of journalism and the right to not tell your source.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:01 PM
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7. Me neither.
Most people believe there's a magical dude living in the sky.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:24 PM
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2. there's something odd happening there
I think she's either complicit or the jailing is cover for witness protection, but basically the total information blackout makes it impossible to tell.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:30 PM
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3. I support her staying in jail as long as necessary
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 10:31 PM by Old and In the Way
to loosen her tongue on what her role is on the Valerie Plame affair. She may be playing a journalist, but what she's doing ain't journalism.

Of course, I could be totally wrong. It might be a witness protection program that's keeping her from being suicided...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:37 PM
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4. No wonder ..I just heard Carl Bernstein
on The Daily Show saying that "this Prosecutor shouldn't be sending reporters to jail because they couldn't do their jobs and it messed with the level of trust".. Obviously paraphrasing here.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:38 PM
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5. Here are some good rebuttals for this
IMO:

E&P: Karl Rove: Using Reporters--and Abusing the First Amendment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4021846
and: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1908252
Link: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/shoptalk_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000973352

"An attack on an administration critic, not whistle-blowing" - Fitzgerald
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1909658
Link: http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/06/reporters.contempt/index.html

S. Blumberg: http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/07/14/plame/print.html
In the best-case scenario for Miller, Bill Kovach believes that any pledge she may have made to a source should be invalid. Kovach is the former Washington bureau chief of the New York Times, former curator of the Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard University and founding director of the Committee of Concerned Journalists. He describes the internal policy set within the Times on sources. "By the 1980s, we decided that we had to set some limits because reporters had been misled and the credibility of the news reports had been damaged by misleading sources. When I was chief of the bureau in Washington, we laid down a rule to the reporters that when they wanted to establish anonymity they had to lay out ground rules that if anything the source said was damaging, false or damaged the credibility of the newspaper we would identify them."

In the Plame matter, Kovach sees no obligation of the reporters to false sources. "If a man damages your credibility, why not lay the blame where it belongs? If Plame were an operative, she wouldn't have the authority to send someone. Whoever was leaking that information to Novak, Cooper or Judy Miller was doing it with malice aforethought, trying to set up a deceptive circumstance. That would invalidate any promise of confidentiality. You wouldn't protect a source for telling lies or using you to mislead your audience. That changes everything. Any reporter that puts themselves or a news organization in that position is making a big mistake."

Obviously, the Times is not imposing the rules in its present crisis that Kovach was involved in making. Are the editors unfocused on the underlying facts and falsehoods? Do the editors have a responsibility to determine who is a fair source and who is a deceiver? Has anyone fully debriefed Miller? For now, the Times is frozen in its heroic defense of the First Amendment.

Judith Miller HAS named sources in the past
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4054279&mesg_id=4054279
Link: http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/media/features/9226/index2.html

Judith Miller No Hero
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4029626&mesg_id=4029626
Link: http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1217
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:58 PM
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6. Thanks - This is Exactly What I Guess I Was Trying To Convey...
there are times when one should protect their source - this is not one of those times.

Protecting a source like Rove, Libby, other WH source(s) as in this Plame case - is tantamount to harboring a criminal (aiding and abetting).
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:06 PM
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8. and she never even wrote a story
makes you think, huh?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:09 PM
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9. Miller Jail? I hope she stays for at least a year - interesting background
on this broad. Jail is her choice.
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