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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:42 PM
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On a scale of 1 to 10, How pissed off will you be when....
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 03:44 PM by mikelewis
Karl and Scooter walk away from this and this whole issue dies a quite death? Now, they may not but you have to admit, these guys have gotten away with worse, so it's not out of the question. The Supreme Court fight begins in a day or two and then it's Valerie Who? If that should happen, how pissed do you think you will be. 1-10.

On edit:
If there is a horse trade, say Karl for a good Justice- would that affect your P.O. level?
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:43 PM
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1. Not as pissed as I would be if aliens landed on my lawn tonight...
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 03:45 PM by Goldmund
...and tried to probe me anally.

THEN I'd be really pissed!
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:53 PM
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28. Hehe
HAH! Can we be friends?

:7
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:44 PM
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2. 15
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:44 PM
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3. I will be so mad Ill wanna kill something
so be forewarned.

:)

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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:45 PM
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4. if ROVE and Libby don't go to jail....
the revolution will be televised
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:45 PM
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5. They have not gotten away with worse. They ar in the process of
having their whole criminal enterprise exposed. It starts with Plamegate, Goes to the Lies about WMD, Continues to Corrupt crooked 2004 elections, continues to crooked SCOTUS decision in 2000. The Whole CABAL is crumbling.

Pass the popcorn
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:46 PM
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6. Fitz and Grand Jury not interested in Supreme Court fight . . .
they will continue the work they are doing in spite of what Talking Heads might say on TV.d
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:49 PM
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10. Yes but if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it...
will the President still fire Rove. We may know the truth but we've known it for a while now. Still hasn't incarcerated anyone. And if you think the Grand Jury isn't interested in the Supreme Court fight, you're kidding yourself. Judges are just as political as Senators. They just hide it under thier robes.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:01 PM
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29. What has a grand jury to do with judges?
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:02 AM
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34. A federal judge can seal the report of the Grand Jury
It happened in the Rocky Flats Case, the Grand Jury handed down an indictment report and it got locked up tighter than the lid on a pickle jar. They can decide whatever they want but it doesn't mean that information will ever get out. If a deal was made to let Rove off the hook in exchange for a decent SCOTUS, a judge could seal the report and tuck it away for 3 years or more. The Democrats would agree not to make a stink about it and the deals done. The Grand Jury is a tool of the court, not the other way around as it should be. They control who sits on the Grand Jury and I bet the Jurors aren't always up to speed on Federal Law or feel confident in exercising thier power. There's been very few runaway juries so it's unlikely they'll understand that they are in control. If the Congress allows it to go away, it goes away.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:46 PM
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7. Nope! Not going to happen. You'rre forgetting aoubt Fitz!
The BS on MSM isn't his concern, and he's not going to stop his investigation for a SCOTUS nomination!

Sure, Shrub is trying to mnake it go away! I would expect any Pres. would, no matter what party they were from. I don't think it's going to happen this time!!!
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:47 PM
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8. Not gonna be pissed.
The grand jury, special prosecutor, and judge are not going to stop their investigation, their indictments, etc. just because of a new SCOTUS appointee.

This may not be covered very well for a few days because of the SCOTUS appointee. But once M$M realizes that *** appointed a fairly non-controversial candidate, they'll pull Rove/Plame off the back burner and bring things back to the boil. Plus, what if indictments are handed down for the Veep's chief of staff?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:48 PM
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9. RoveGate will survive the SCOTUS mud fight
I predict.

If he nominates one of those nice ladies from the Fifth Circuit, who hasn't written much about anything to do with hard issues, the dems will roll over and ler her in.

Here's the deal. Smirky can't talk too much with Rove right now, because its kinda uncomfortable...ya know with the U.S. Attorney lurking around?

So he's talking to Laura, and Laura says: "nominate one of those nice ladies from the Fifth Circuit and the democrats will be nice to you and forget about Karl".

Since Laura and Smirky together have enough brainpower to energize a lightning bug, they'll think they are master politicians and do it that way.

SCOTUS nomination will be a non-event, and then its back to my favorite subject: RoastingPigKarlsFatAssOnTheBarbie.


:woohoo:
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:50 PM
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13. IU believe this is the breeze you get before the black clouds roll in
and a full blown storm happens.

Its just starting.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:50 PM
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11. Two Point Five
Sorry, but I just don't have that much outrage left!
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:52 PM
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14. Yeah, I feel ya...
Really, the only outrage I have left is over the fact that they refuse to wear condoms or use anal-ease as they're screwing me.
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Moondog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:50 PM
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12. They'll walk
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 03:52 PM by Moondog
and I'll be pissed. But not surprised. And you can't dance to it. I'll give it a 3.

A decent S Ct Justice (how likely is that?) is irrelevant. If we get one, it will be an accident.

The good news is that a protracted S Ct nomination fight will keep the Congressional Assholes from screwing anything else up in the meantime, one-thing-at-a-time simpletons that they are.

Edit: correct spelling error.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:01 PM
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15. a 0 on this
not pissed, not even surprised. I am, however, surprised that so much time is being devoted to this on the board.
This is just another shiny object to distract the sheeple from what they're doing. Whether rove stays or goes, no longer matters, * is on his way out and will never run for another office. I predict they're going to play good nazi, bad nazi with his remaining years. Ram through a bunch of really objectionable policies, regulations, etc. and then they'll run somebody who's main position will be "vote for me, I'm much less nasty than him".
I further predict it will work.
Sheep are really stupid.


:hide:
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:07 PM
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17. Nah, they're just ignotant and blind...
Remember, many of us were sheeple too. I was a sheep but then someone had to go an knock down 4 perfectly good buildings with 3 perfectly good planes.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:18 PM
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19. night of the long knives redux
So it's a staged brownshirt vs. blackshirt affair, even worse.

At this point I'm quaking in fear of their putting me and my wife in a death camp (and frankly I have been for a while). I don't understand how people can fail to see that what these "neocons" are about is complete and total Nazism.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:42 PM
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23. No one's going to put you in a Death Camp
They may want to do it but they can't. At least not right now anyway. They may of course throw you in jail for some stupid reason and that's just about the same thing, but "death camp", not while I'm alive. This I can promise you. The German people did not have the benefit of a national network of patriots guarding thier democracy. They did not have the ability to transmit the truth at the speed of light to every partisan in their country. You have to believe that the German people would have eventually threw off the nightmare of Naziism. The Germans are good people, if a bit overly gullible. It would have taken them 5 times as long, if ever, to accomplish what has been accomplished by the "Bloggers".

Get rid of that fear for christsake and replace it with your faith in Democracy. Remember how many people have died and how many are dying today for that illusive ideal. Replace that fear with an iron-hard determination to defeat Fascism. If they want to instill a fascist dictatorship, they'll have to do it over my dead body! Fuck em. All men are created equal and endowed by thier creator with certain unalienable rights, Life, Liberty and the pursuit of good weed so they can all go jump in a fuckin lake as far as I'm concerned! And just for the record, if Karl walks, I'm going to flip my fuckin lid.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:48 PM
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26. I can only hope
Because they've got far bigger guns that civilians could ever dream of. They actually can gun down all opposition.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:04 PM
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16. The Plame case involves a prosecutor and GJ
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 04:15 PM by Lecky
It's not just going to go away.

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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:17 PM
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18. by GJ, I assume you mean Gannon, Jeff or was it Guckert, James
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 04:18 PM by mikelewis
It's so hard to remember all the codes.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:38 PM
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21. grand jury
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:49 PM
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27. I know, I just couldn't help myself
It's funny to see how the MSM is COMPLETELY avoiding Gannon though he had a part in this as well. He was deposed by the FBI and yet 'crickets'. He was planted in the white house, given special privileges and 'crickets'. I guess there's a few things they don't want to be reminded about. 'crickets' 'crickets' 'crickets'
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:41 PM
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22. Neither, Grand Jury!
I am interested to hear what role 'Jeff' played in all this though.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:32 PM
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20. I'll be quiet pissed!
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:45 PM
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25. LOL - as will most of America, I presume
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:43 PM
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24. They're not going to walk away from this one...
the neocons bit off more than even they could handle and they are choking on it.

Pass the popcorn, please!
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:08 PM
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30. So much for the horse trade and bye-bye Plamgate
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:23 PM
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31. No I won't be pissed off
Though I will desperately be seeking the humor in it.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:30 PM
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32. 10
Just like Iran Contra, when all the murderous traitors walked.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:35 PM
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33. About a 2 or a 3.
My expectations are pretty low these days.

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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:25 AM
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35. Seems like 3 or 4...
but if and when it happens, it is likely to hit 8 or 9 at least briefly.

The saving grace is that for Rove the truism that all press is good press doesn't apply.

His role has been in the shadows doing dirty tricks or worse.

His name is becoming synonymous with svengali, rasputin etc.

In and of itself that is gratifying, and may lead him to not be able to do "his thing" as freely as he has been able to in the past.

And so much disdain and disgust is focused on him.

Disgrace can we say.
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