Need help debunking this comment, its about Wilson from a repug idiot

[caligirl]

"I don't need to insinuate that it is not up to my standards - I'll tell you flat out that it isn't. Any blog that continues to use Joe Wilson as an expert witness can not be taken seriously. Had Wilson just been discredited by a politically biased organization or web site, perhaps he could still be quoted. However, the Senate Intelligence committee went to great lengths to address his assertions and unanimously showed that they were essentially fabrications. Even the Kerry campaign saw that he was tainted and distanced themselves from him."

He is referring to the kos site.

[NorCalDem]

1. What exactly has discredited Wilson

I'm not sure I understand this argument of theirs. His report about Niger was correct, although it was based partially on forged documents, but his report was still correct.

Is this even what they're talking about, they spew so much crap that I can't keep it all straight.

[Canuckistanian]

4. Partisan Republican who are lying, that's who

Read this:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/07/16/wilson_letter/

[caligirl]

16. I am also using this article by Neil Mackay

http://www.sundayherald.com/print35264

Niger and Iraq: the war's biggest lie?
Investigation: Neil Mackay reveals why everyone now accepts that claims Saddam Hussein got uranium from Africa are fraudulent ... except, that is, Britain's beleaguered prime minister and his Cabinet supporters

[kerryin2004]

2. why dont you look up what the senate intelligence committee said

about the Niger claim.. USe google, it may help you win your disagreement.

[trotsky]

3. Well, to start with, the criminal act being investigated

(the leaking of a CIA agent's identity) has nothing at all to do with Joe Wilson's veracity.

The CIA determined, independent of Joe Wilson, that a law may have been broken. They made the decision to investigate.

Your friend is engaging in the politics of personal destruction instead of addressing the issues.

[caligirl]

7. Not a friend. I have plkenty of links to info, just not the senate report

specificly on this. I have Seymour Hersch and a ton of others on the forged docs. But I was a little blown away by his comment that the senate discreditied Wilson.

[emulatorloo]

13. there is a link to the senate report in my post below

EOM

[punpirate]

5. Specifically...

... the Senate Intelligence committee did not "unanimously" show his statements were "essentially fabrications." In fact, the charges against Wilson were made in a later addendum to the SSCI report after the report had been approved by the committee.

This after-the-fact addendum was written by three Republican members of that committee; the addendum was strenously objected to by Democrats on the committee and they were overruled on a party-line vote in their attempt to remove that addendum from the final report.

That addendum also attempted to assert that Wilson's Niger report to the CIA confirmed that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger, precisely the opposite of what the CIA itself said in the October, 2002, NIE and what Wilson himself has consistently stated from then on.

Cheers.

[caligirl]

8. Thank you, I'll go look up the addendum now.

[Sparkly]

9. What punpirate said. n/t

[against all enemies]

10. well done. nice work.

[Imagevision]

6. What's to debunk? Wilson smear campaign at work...yaaawnn...

[emulatorloo]

11. DU THREAD HERE with Many LINKS *******Debunking*******

The "bi-partisan" commission didn't descredit him -- three conservative YO YOs attached a few pages of BS to a report. YO YOs are Hatch, Bond and Roberts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1938543

Please reply to my post so I know you have looked at it. . .

[caligirl]

12. Thanks, Now another guy is saying the French

"even the French thought Iraq had attempted to purchase uranium from Niger. One document, a contract for such a purchase, was found to be fradulant. The rest of the evidence has never been refuted."

Consider these links (read all of each, of course):

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intel...30711-cia01.htm


I thought this web site was linked to the GOP somehow?

And this "http://www.bakerlaw.com/files/tbl_s...5%20(Final).PDF

And this beauty of an amicus brief in support of Cooper and Miller submitted by 36 of the most influential news organizations in the US. The best part starts about page 27. You'll recognize it. It's what some people have claimed are the "Republican talking points". Only it's the media making the all the points you've pooh poohed. I love the bit where they explain that the CIA request for an investigation did not meet the criteria for showing that a crime had been committed, it was just a routine form. Oh, and all the evidence they offer that Plame was not a covert operative and hadn't been one for years. Brings tears to my eyes.

Quote:
The public record provides ample evidence the CIA was at leat cavalier if not complicit in releasing Plame's name
Poetry, shear poetry. Not to mention they way the lay it on Wilson for his contribution to the leak.""


I think I have exhausted myself, another gal from San Francisco and myself have been going at this for two days now against two Rwingnuts.

I felt I needed to inform the others reading this tripe, but it just never ends, as we all know that is the Rovian way.

[emulatorloo]

14. good luck . . .better you than me w these repug energizer bunnies. . .

Sounds as if you have some true believers on the line.

[CAcyclist]

18. Considering The French Would Know If Their Own Consortium

That controls the Niger mine concession was selling uranium to the Iraqis, I think this argument can be safely considered $%^.

The daily management of the Nigerian mines is in the hands of a French mining company, COGEMA. Only COGEMA has actuall possession of the ore from the time it is in the ground until it arrives at its destination.

I got this from Wilson's book, but I am sure you could verify it independently with a google search.

[NMDemDist2]

15. and Wilson sent a letter answering all the points brought up by the

Repubs that is also part of the record of that committee hearing

here's a link to the comments from Wilson's web site

http://thepoliticsoftruth.com/editorials/Statement.html

[DrFunkenstein]

17. David Sirota Has Lots of Nice Documentation on The Matter

Go to the sub-heading: "They knew the Iraq-uranium claims were not supported."

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0804-11.htm

[caligirl]

19. His latest post is really amazing. I am going to remind him of

Chuck Colson.

I thought we were supposed to be able to discuss current politics without mentioning Clinton. FWIW, SKM, I was like you, a Perotian in '92. The fact remains, the current "analysis" you're buying into bites the big one, to quote Roseanne Roseannadanna. Passion is a good thing, but it doesn't trump reality.

[CAcyclist]

20. also

Challenge him on exactly where the link is that shows Kerry "distanced" himself.

The Kerry campaign asked Wilson to publically endorse him, he was on Kerry's foreign policy committee in 2003 for the presidential campaign, he campaigned for Kerry in various states.

If you give this info to the freepers, though, they'll probably just do an about face and say see it proves he's just a partisan hack after all. You can't win arguments with freepers because they aren't interested in the truth, they are interested in beating you.

[caligirl]

21. Thank you all, its been brutal, I was warned by the moderators

about the rhetoric as I got called a democratic moonie and a loopster.
Is this worth it? I can't stand by and let these talking points parrots misinform the uninformed.

Thanks for the links , I used all of them. Saved them too.