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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:37 PM
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Why does the Rove treason case have no "name"

It needs a name so it can be repeated over and over. The media called it Plame or Wilson but are starting to call it Rove/Plame/Wilson.

We need a pithy name. Suggestions?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:40 PM
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1. Probably it has no name because
we don't know what all he'll be charged with yet, and how many are going down.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:45 PM
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4. I think it'll have its own name after the indictments come down. . .
As I posted on another thread:

A scandal will hold and Bush will go down when the scandal has its own name. So long as it's trivialized by unimaginative people and stuck with a "borrowed" infamy (i.e., anything with -gate), Bush will skate.


When it gets its own name, then we can begin to explain the full horror to all.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:44 PM
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2. I think we're all waiting til we can name it Cheneygate.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:45 PM
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3. treasongate.
Have also heard it called Plamegate.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:49 PM
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5. Please, no Gates!
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 11:50 PM by longship
I just call it Rove/Plame Affair, or more simply, the "Plame Affair".

I like "Plame" because I think the use of Ms. Wilson's maiden name may have some significance. Like the phrase "lithe and fierce like a tiger" in Costa-Gavras' great movie, "Z", the use of "Plame" may connect the leaker to a specific source that may enable the investigators to knit the conspiracy together.

So I'll continue to use "The Plame Affair". Simple, and in a subtle way, possibly significant.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:03 AM
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6. I don't like the idea of using the victim's name in the scandal.
But I agree with you ...... <stupidtrivalname>gate.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 02:09 AM
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15. Nor should we use a perp's name for the scandal. . .
Let's not restrict the scope of the scandal by focusing on just Rove. . . better to bring all BushCo into the fray.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:08 AM
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8. I agree, because the name is actually the key
If it was all innocent, like they said, and was just about "Wilson's wife", then why didn't they say Valerie Wilson? Joe Wilson said she uses Valerie Wilson, even at work.

The fact that her name, Plame, was what Novak wrote, means her whole dossier was there. They knew what she was, "Plame" is how we know.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:13 AM
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10. Bad form to use the VICTIM's name, IMHO. nt
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:14 AM
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11. Treasonpalooza?
Treasonstock?
The KKKarl Rove Rhythm & Blues & Treason Festival??
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:06 AM
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7. Treason TRove
That's what this scandal will turn into before it's over.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:12 AM
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9. Treasongate works for me
It would even work for Poppy Bush, since that's how he referred to anyone who would deliberately compromise a CIA operative's cover.

Poppy and I don't agree on much (Broccoli is the only other issue I can think of), so take advantage of the rare occasion and go with it.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 01:21 AM
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12. I saw "Plame Game", but that's lame...
Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 01:23 AM by madeline_con
It's not considered important enough for CNN to name and put theme music to, maybe? Who knows...


Rovegate.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 01:25 AM
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13. The Tokyo Rove Affair
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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 01:40 AM
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14. TREASON!!!
i want heads on platters,and i'm tired of waiting...
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 08:40 AM
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29. Treason. Just plain treason, no -gate.
This is indeed beyond any -gate. The entire Republican Party is TREASONOUS.
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nascarblue Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 03:39 AM
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16. How about "Follow the Yellowcake Road"?
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nascarblue Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 04:09 AM
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17. How about a name that reminds everyone what's at stake? WMD
Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 04:10 AM by nascarblue
Something that reminds everybody what this is really all about. By the time Queen Melman and the rest of those sneaky republicans stop spining this, many moderates might get confused and/or distracted. So coming up with a name that reminds everyone what the real crime is would be smart.

SpyGate? Cakegate? WMDgate? Iraqgate?
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:31 AM
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18. I like Traitors Gate. myself but it's sort of hard to give this a name yet
Frankly this is very different and maybe worse than the original "Gate" of which all the other "Gates" were cheap copies.

One problem is that we don't really know what Fitzpatrick is onto. For example, is Rove the primary actor or just a vile little message boy for Smirk and Sneer?

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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:45 AM
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19. watergate was named after the hotel where the break-in occurred.
we might as well be calling it the whitehouse affair.
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ignatzmouse Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 07:03 AM
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20. Leaky Bush
Hey, I could have added the word "Probe."

Where's Whoopi when you need her?
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 07:19 AM
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21. no, I think we need a name -- all about branding, as Card would say
Think Whitewater

We need one name - Treason should be in the name - no person attached. I don't like TreasonGate.

I think the press has avoided a name b/c they know that the name gives the scandal staying power.
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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 07:19 AM
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22. How about the Niger/Plame Coverup. Or Iraq War Conspiracy.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 07:21 AM
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23. I like Niger in the name - The Niger Affair?
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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 07:54 AM
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25. I like the word Conspiracy; according to another post, Fitz is pursuing
a conspiracy case so it seems appropriate.

Niger Conspiracy works!
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 07:26 AM
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24. Why does the Rove treason case have no "name"
Because every name that has been tried, someone has a 'problem' with...every name assigned thus far...so instead of it being branded, it continues, unidentified.
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ignatzmouse Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 08:17 AM
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26. Operation: Breach
Breach is a compact scandalizing word that also links to the actual intelligence breach. Operation implies that it was planned and not a slip or a "correction." Scandal is also a big sticky word that might be used instead of "affair" or "gate", etc.
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ignatzmouse Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 08:29 AM
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28. (one more) The Oval Outing
or The Oval Outing Scandal
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 08:17 AM
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27. No more Gates, please.

Frankly, the automatic appending of 'Gate' onto whatever the latest scandal is absurd. As someone mentioned, The WaterGate was simply the name of a hotel where events took place, hence WaterGate scandal. But the press has tried making every occurence of scandal large or small since then into yet another 'Gate'.

How about "Spy vs. Lie"?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:31 AM
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30. "CIA Leak" "Administration Security Failure" "WH Criminal Investigation"
Something legal sounding that portrays importance.
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