How does the 12 hour gap help?

[ncteechur]

Other than throw more suspicion on the scandal, does the 12 hour gap help? Sure, the WH had time to shred documents but did they? How can this be proven? I asume it would require someone telling the Grand Jury that they saw people collect memos and documents and remove them from the WH. IF the special prosecutor's office told Gonzalez, does he have the duty to immediately tell the WH not to destroy anything? Gonzalez makes it sound like the prosecutor's office told him he could wait until the morning.

Is there anything more to this angle? Have I missed something?

[merwin]

1. Phone logs for one...

It's been proven that Gonzalez called Andy Card and then slept on it before calling the rest of them. The good shit will be in Andy Card's phone records.

[ncteechur]

2. What is Gonzalez's duty? Tell them immediately?

[merwin]

15. Yeah, it is.

[teach1st]

9. If he was smart, he would have used Blackberry instead.

[merwin]

14. Blackberry is even worse.

First off, any e-mail you send from it is highly trackable.
Second, any calls yo make go on your cell phone records, which is logged for quite a long time.

[jmowreader]

16. If he was smart, he would have used a car

Thanks to Nixon, the whole White House is bugged--not to collect dirt on political enemies, but because Nixon knew that every word he said as president was historic, and he was keen on making sure the history was correct.

What Gonzalez needed to do if he wanted to really pull the wool over the nation's eyes is to get in a conversion van that doesn't have windows in the back, pull into the White House parking garage, pick up the major players--Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice--drive to a secluded place and plan strategy.

How much y'all want to wager that they used traceable methods (telephones, cell phones, Blackberries, e-mail) because they're dumber than rocks?

[intheflow]

3. Gonzales is a slick Texas lawyer who works with Rove's scripts.

If you're just going with what Gonzlez is saying, you're listening to a man who's trying to cover his ass.

[Skink]

7. To bad for Ginzales that the supreme court won't pan out.

He has such a good alibi.

[RoyGBiv]

4. Politics 101

A suggestion of impropriety is more powerful than an actual case of it.

Nixon was not brought down by the Watergate break-in in and of itself. He was brought down by denying he or anyone in his office had anything to do with it. Eventually, suspicions mounting about his actual level of involvement led to revelations of the kind of things he was really up to, and that moved the members of his own party to start questioning his ability to govern.

[ktowntennesseedem]

5. I don't think it helps directly at all, however...

indirectly I think it could help tremendously. As you pointed out, unless someone saw the shredding and the cover-up in progress, and on top of that was willing to testify to that, a simple denial will cover their butts once again. No evidence, no case, move on, nothing to see here. But this IS the kind of epiphany revelation that could cause the media and the slowly awakening public to further raise their doubts and suspicions about what is going on at the White House. Such doubts could be the fodder for dragging this whole thing out into the open; the 12 hours themselves probably won't amount to much, but they could cause a lot of folks to wonder what other dirty laundry this bunch is hiding.

[skids]

6. Here's how.

Because it involves the investigation, Fitz can look into it.

Because it was unethical, when Fitz asks about it, people may lie.

Because Fitz is a real prosecutor, he'll catch such lies.

Ergo, more people indicted on obstruction charges.

(EDIT: Ergo, more people likely to cut a deal.)

[ncteechur]

8. OK-thanks

[Democrat 4 Ever]

10. Keith on Countdown stated that the time line is more like 84 hours!

The CIA requested a special investigation on a Thursday or Friday night in September 2003 but the White House staff was not notified until a Monday morning to start gathering records for the special prosecutor. Keith and Craig Whats-his-name entertained the idea that maybe that time was used to clean files, etc.

They also put forth the idea that if the White House had that much time why didn't they get rid of everything instead of leaving just enough of the emails around to get them in hot water.

The White House Counsel was notified to prepare all memos, emails, phone call records, etc. but for some reason they waited at least 12 hours and maybe as long as 3 1/2 days to put everyone on official notice to start digging out their files. We all know what Rove is completely amoral and corrupt and not above nasty tricks so where was Rove and what was he doing that weekend in September two years ago?
Interesting, ver-r-r-r-r-y interesting.

[ncteechur]

11. Craig Crawford?

[jojo54]

12. MSNBC political analyst and columnist for Congressional

Quarterly. Here's his pic:

[kestrel91316]

13. Yep, I hear they had ALL WEEKEND to shred.

[truebrit71]

17. It means he gave them the heads up to get rid of anything incriminating...

..kind of like when Raygun told Ed Meese on a Friday that on Monday he was going to be fired...it gave him the whole weekend to shred and destroy....