How to tell if the next attack on US soil is MIHOP

[Lerkfish]

(I posted this as a response in another thread, but it might be a good thread starter comment as well. If not, I apologize in advance.)


How to tell if the next attack on US soil is MIHOP

the ways you'll know Bushco made some city a sacrificial lamb to their hegemony:

A. It will be a relatively smaller city than LA or NYC...probably the size of Indianapolis or Tucson. They'll want to scare us into martial law, not get bogged down in a massive FEMA operation.
B. They will miraculously declare the identities of the perpetrators, not as individuals, but as a COUNTRY they can invade, which will be Iran, most likely. Or, they'll attribute it to Al Queda but then directly link with no evidence Al Queda to Iran. This will happen with 36 hours, probably within 18 hours. That's how you'll know its MIHOP or LIHOP, since a nuke attack would destroy most traceable evidence, unless you know about it ahead of time.
ALSO, if Al Queda declares responisbility, it will be a heretofore unheard of sect of AQ, with the message delivered in an untraceable way.
C. Martial law will be declared within one week of the attack. First, the surrounding area, then the entire state. That will be in force for an amazingly short amount of time before we start hearing about multiple "prevented" attacks, where the suspects will held without counsel so they can't refute the allegations, never to be heard from again. This will justify applying martial law nationwide, in a more limited fashion, which will then creep up in intensity. The primary function of martial law will be (surprise) clamping down on "non-loyalists" and quelling protests. Real citizens will have restricted travel. Very few provable "terrorists" will be caught, percentage wise relative to how many "anti-regime" US citizens will be arrested.
D. Remember the little thing they passed a while back that said that even a small group of congress critters can decide everything in case of a "emergency" or attack? Look for this to happen right after the attack. Look for the small group to be all republican. Look for the the reason they can meet and no one else because they are already in chamber during the attack, but the rest of congress is on recess and can't travel due to air travel being clamped down.

so....I would say be concerned during a recess, that is most likely when #2 would occur.

[AntiCoup2K4]

1. Scariest thing about that theory is that it makes perfect sense.....

...at least from the mentality of these treasonous pieces of shit who have taken over our country.

[neweurope]

2. Your scenario sounds highly likely. I just want to add that

after that they're really going to use those PATRIOT thingies on you. So far they haven't much - because they wanted people to think that it's not all that bad; after all, whose daughter/friend/collegue has been arrested so far? But now that they have their votes and no sunset thingamajig they're going to crack down on you, I'm afraid.

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[woodsprite]

3. If I was a dem Senator or Rep, I'd be damned if I'd go on "recess"

outside of DC. The pots coming to a boil and if somethings gonna happen to take the heat off Junior, it's gonna happen soon. At least, that's what I believe.

[Lerkfish]

5. yeah, that's what I'm thinking. the whole bolton thingy, the recess,

the low poll numbers, the need to distract from rovegate, etc. etc.

I'd say the time is ripe for MIHOP, sadly.

[peacetalksforall]

4. Yes, it's all quite plausible. They can reap enourmous benefits if we

are controlled.

Our problem is that we must control them. We must save our own freedom from our own maniacs.

We need to help our leaders 'see' this. They are so slow. The first words out of there mouths are all about coming together. Maybe it shouldn't be if this one also stinks.

Perhaps there is a way to talk about this sufficiently to avoid joining with bigots who will accuse moslems within nono-seconds.

Starting point question -

When and where and with whome did our democracy start eroding?

Do we really need any other managed pearl harbors?

Knowledge combined with logic is a good thing.

Ignorance combined with runaway passion is not.

[dmr]

40. Remember the TIPS program?

This article the other day from Newsday hit me hard:

Foot soldiers to safeguard Long Island
LI police asking regular citizens from waiters to landlords to report signs shown by people they meet

BY CHAU LAM
STAFF WRITER

July 24, 2005

- snip -

The authorities are asking Long Islanders to do everything from reporting on diners' conversations to monitoring strangers' Internet use to observing fellow worshipers at religious services to noting when parents withdraw their kids from school.

Once gathered by the local police, contact information from participating businesses and organizations -- names, addresses, telephone numbers and e-mail addresses -- is forwarded to the Albany-based agency, which uses the data to warn of threats. Tips from Operation Safeguard are forwarded to a Joint Terrorism Task Force made of local, state and federal authorities.

Blunt reminders to be wary

The recent bombings in London serve as blunt reminders of how important it is for New Yorkers to be aware of their surroundings and report anything suspicious, terror experts and local government officials say. While Operation Safeguard is not being conducted in response to any specific threat, police say they want to do what they can to thwart future terrorist attacks.

Suffolk and Nassau county executives, along with high-ranking police officers and a top Suffolk school security official, endorse Operation Safeguard, characterizing the state's requests as reasonable given the level of perceived threat.

"If everybody does their bit to be vigilant and report suspicious activities, then they become part of the mosaic contributing to making the whole nation safe," said Nassau Assistant Police Chief Anthony Rocco. "Homeland security is hometown security."

more ...

Is this not a version of the TIPS program? How convenient for the Neo-cons to have the London bombings to get people to agree to these intrusions, let alone the intrusions of having your personal packages searched in the City.

And, who in the hell is this Albany based agency they are sending this info to? Another private company? Oh, great, just what we need.

This is how it's suppose to begin, I guess. Scare the bejeebers out of Americans, so the conformists or compliant will quietly and willingly acquiesce to their eroding civil rights. Take a look at this thread from the last week or two: THE PENTAGON'S NEW ARMIES OF THE NIGHT

[LifeDuringWartime]

50. Albany?

:scared:

[peacetalksforall]

56. Truly bizarre -

I'm talking about us watching them....and they are pumping for us to spy on everyone....the leagues of spies.

So who would have ever known that it was so important to them to emulate the USSR and Nazi Germany?

Pravda, Izvetzia, and turning in neighbors.

Now because we have incensed millions of people around the world, we may have a genuine problem that they caused.

Bizarre. From MIHOP to the possible real thing.

Well, they only promised (falsely) to bring honor and dignity back to the White House, to wear suits, always be on time, give money back.

THEY ** NEVER ** PROMISED TO BRING OR SEEK PEACE.

Blessed be the peacemakers, especially in times of bizarre hate and fear.

[Gay Green]

62. No, but they happened to * promise * to pursue a more 'humble' foreign pol

icy. As opposed to Bill Clinton's international involvement and depolying our troops into Bosnia and Kosovo because the MSM alerted us to a humanitarian catastrophe.

Somehow, though, humble foreign policies don't translate well into arrogantly abrogating treaties and putting contracts out on certain foreign leaders just because one wants to have a 'successful' Presidency.

[Lerkfish]

6. self-kick.

:kick:

[Vinnie From Indy]

7. WTF is LIHOP and MIHOP ?

It would be helpful if you defined those acronyms.

[Lerkfish]

8. sure, no problem...

LIHOP = Let it happen on purpose

(they know an attack is going to happen, but allow it to proceed in order to gain political brownie points for ramming through stuff they want to get through...like invading Iraq)

MIHOP = Made it happen on purpose.

(Like LIHOP, only they actually have a hand in planning the attack or supporting it)

these are the two prevailing theories regarding 9/11, for those who think Bushco was involved.

[cosmik debris]

9. Let it happen on purpose - - LIHOP

MIHOP may be http://www.mihop.org/ for all I know. some people don't want to waste their valuable time typing things that they expect everyone else to know, so I respond WTFSICWYT (Why the F*** should I care what you think.

[Lerkfish]

10. sorry to have offended you.

mea culpa

or is latin not allowed?

:)

[cosmik debris]

11. accepted

I speak Latin, and I can look up Latin phrases. You see what happens when you look up MIHOP. You get the Maryland International House of Prayer. I truly appreciate people who are willing to take the time to make their message clear in a language that their listener or reader can understand. Otherwise, you are wasting your time. I looked for definitions of LIHOP and MIHOP and you see what I came up with. Is that the message you wanted to send to me? Obviously not. Thank you for taking the time to understand my point of view.

[GracieM]

13. That site is scary...

[LaurenG]

25. See it's "over 1000 posts" talk

Any of us under 1000 usually don't know what some of this stuff means. I asked at least 200 posts ago and no one would tell me. I wasn't going to ask again so Thank you for asking.

[Lerkfish]

27. and I was more than happy to explain it.

when someone asked.

I also had to ask when I first got here.

[LaurenG]

29. I was being a bit sarcastic and

meant nothing at all against you. Nothing. Sorry if that sounded offensive I really was just being petulant in a bratty, funny (I thought) kind of way. :bounce: Thanks for the explanation.

[Lerkfish]

30. no problemo

I wasn't offended, just pointing out that it doesn't have to be an issue if someone explains it. Sorry no one did for you earlier.

[LaurenG]

31. Oh and as pennance I'll kick this again. K

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[earth mom]

12. Kick!

:scared:

[cosmik debris]

14. I don't suppose you could be more specific about Point D

"the little thing they passed a while back" leaves a few questions in my mind.

[Lerkfish]

15. I dunno...

Remember the little thing they passed a while back that said that even a small group of congress critters can decide everything in case of a "emergency" or attack?

seems pretty clear.

what questions are you left with?

[cosmik debris]

16. Are you speaking of a bill

That was passed by the U.S. House and Senate and signed by the President? If so, it was bound to have a name or at least a number. Is there any way for an objective outside observer to verify that this "little thing" has the power of law and says what you say it says?

And How long ago is a while back? 1805, 1905, 2005?

It is impossible to verify or refute any argument that depends on things like "little thing they passed a while back"

[Lerkfish]

17. do you have anything to actually contribute to the thread?

one wonders.

I'll try to find the link a little later, when I have more time.

better yet, I'll save my time to respond to people who aren't just pimping me instead of contributing.

[cosmik debris]

18. I would like to contribute facts to the discussion.

It is obvious that there is a deficiency of facts here.

[arikara]

24. I'm in the process of reading "Crossing the Rubicon"

by Michael Ruppert. He gives a good breakdown of the laws that were enacted so that they can easily subvert your constitution and put you under martial law.

[cosmik debris]

34. So perhaps you could provide the facts that Lerkfish is lacking

It sure looks like he is just making stuff up to justify his argument.

[Lerkfish]

41. yeah, that's me...making up stuff.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d109:2:./temp/~bdgQK1::

http://www.jonathanturley.com/Articles/The_ultimate_sign.htm

again, do you have ANYTHING to offer this thread besides pimping me personally?
I invite you to discuss ANYTHING in the the thread besides that.

[cosmik debris]

42. Your first link seems to be broken

The second link refers to a constitutional amendment that has not passed the house, the senate or the required number of state legislatures to become part of the Constitution of the United States. It is not in effect and has no power of law.

There! I have contributed some FACTS. Try it, it is fun!

[Lerkfish]

52. ah! the link was to a temporary popup. Instead, try:

http://www.house.gov/baird/legislation/recent.shtml

look at the most recent congress, the second bill.

its H.RES.284.

the link didn't work because the website creates a temporary popup window that then expires, unbeknownst to me.

glad I could be of service.

[cosmik debris]

53. No wonder you were trying not to discuss this

1. A resolution is not a bill. It cannot become law. A House Resolution only applies to the House, Not the Senate.
2. This resolution has been referred to committee NOT PASSED!
3. It repeals clause 5 of rule XX which deals with quorums. It does not add any powers or create ANY new law. It only removes a rule.
4. Even if it had passed as you said it had, it would not have the result you claimed. (see below)

You could have avoided the controversy and avoided being proved wrong if you had done your research before you made outrageous claims.


FROM THE HOUSE RULES:
5. (a) <<NOTE: Sec. 1021. The call of the House.>> In the absence of a
quorum, a majority comprising at least 15 Members, which may include the
Speaker, may compel the attendance of absent Members.
(b) Subject to clause 7(b) a majority of those present may order the
Sergeant-at-Arms to send officers appointed by him to arrest those
Members for whom no sufficient excuse is made and shall secure and
retain their attendance. The House shall determine on what condition
they shall be discharged. Unless the House otherwise directs, the
Members who voluntarily appear shall be admitted immediately to the Hall
of the House and shall report their names to the Clerk to be entered on
the Journal as present.

[Lerkfish]

55. there. you get the last word.

enjoy it.

I wasn't avoiding anything, I was relying on my memory. I was posting from work and did not have time to research it until later.

If you like harrassing and abusing other DU members like this, be advised people are going to be alerting on you quite a bit.

have a good life!

[cosmik debris]

57. If you didn't have time to research, you should not have posted

Bottom line: You used false information to sensationalize your argument. When I called you on it, you blamed me rather than correct the falsehood. Your "shoot the messenger" strategy did not work for Bush and it won't work for you.

I may be wrong, but I believe that people who post false information in this forum should expect to be roundly but politely criticized. If I was impolite in my criticism, I apologize.

[Jim Sagle]

60. He's right, you're wrong, and that's the end of it.

[arikara]

47. He's not making it up

and I don't have time right now. Sorry, but the info is out there.

[cosmik debris]

49. I don't want to doubt,

But I can't accept an "everybody knows" line. The stuff about the EDITORIAL on a PROPOSED constitutional amendment made me even more skeptical of his argument.

It seems he wants to discuss everything EXCEPT the weakness of his argument. And he wants to slam anyone who doesn't "contribute" with praise and agreement.

If his ideas are really worthy and "reality based", he should be able to back them up with facts.

[CrispyQ]

46. I have that book & have been put off somewhat by it's size,

as my reading time is limited & it took me 2 months to read all of Thom Hartmann's "Unequal Protection." How far along are you & do you like it?

When you're finished with the book we would to hear your report on it at the non-fiction forum!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=209

[arikara]

48. It is big

too big... because I don't have time to finish it. I took it out of the library and because its in demand the loan is only for 2 weeks. I started skimming it a week ago just to get through all the chapters.

I find it really well done, in spite of its size it is easy to read and understand. I think I'll wind up buying a copy.

[cosmik debris]

54. Point D D-bunked

It turns out that the "little thing they passed" was nothing but gas.

Lerkfish's links lead to an editorial about a proposed (But NOT introduced)(and certainly not passed) constitutional amendment and a House resolution to repeal a rule on how to deal with people who don't show up for work (quorum calls). The resolution has been referred to committee but NOT passed.

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your lives it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the man comes
And takes you away.

[Eloriel]

19. Nominated.

Once I re-started my heart.

Amazing piece of work there, Lerkfish. Really amazing. I hope to God you're full of shit, but fear you're not. :scared:

[Lerkfish]

20. YUP, I pray I'm wrong, too.

actually, I don't think I"m wrong that this is their plan, I just hope I'm wrong that it actually comes to pass.

[dmr]

44. Yea, it did my heart too

and you know - ten years ago, no, even 5 years ago this kind of plot would have been looked down upon as a unbelievably and unrealistically bad screenplay or Tom Clancy novel.

[Coloradan4Truth]

21. Hi Lerkfish, I have a question -

Do we know if people in the media know about MIHOP and LIHOP theories? How about democratic congresspeople?

My wondering involves trying to think of a way we could use your criteria for MIHOP and LIHOP to catch the villians in the act and expose them if something happens. Since the media is mostly controlled by the right, I have my doubts that there is a way to expose the right if somethings happens, as the fear will take over and the media will play into this. Perhaps if our democratic congresspeople are aware they could plan to do something... though without a majority and in the face of a disaster, they are pretty weak.

Do you have any thoughts on how to thwart MIHOP and LIHOP?

[Lerkfish]

22. like you say, forewarned is forearmed...

I think the only thing we CAN do is publish a better version of my theory as widely as possible, so that it pressures them NOT to use it, since it would be obvious at that point.
Sort of like the Conyers letter asking Bush to promise not to pardon Rove.
By bringing it up pre-emptively, and showing it for the tactic it is, it tips their hand and prevents them from using it.

in a perfect world.


unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world, so I don't know if even that would prevent it.

I mean, I predicted the lack of WMDs, the invasion of Iraq when Bushco was saying they wouldn't invade, the attempt to eliminate the filibuster, and many more things , YEARS before some of them happened, and spread it as far as I could on other message boards (not this one, as I'd not found you guys yet).

All that happened was I was called a conspiracy theorist. later, as things proved true, no one would admit I was correct.

And it didn't prevent those things from happening regardless, unfortunately.

But, as I said then, I'd rather not be correct. I just think you will not lose any bets if you bet on this administration to do the most evil reprehensible thing possible.

[Talismom]

26. Yeah, to publish a description before hand is our best bet--

though it will be laughed at as conspiracy theory--because once it happens,the whole snowball will start rolling and what chance do we have of stopping it or defending ourselves from the fascist take-over scenario?

[Coloradan4Truth]

32. Yeah - can someone with contacts get a known

journalist to publish these?

Maybe we could sell a pancake on EBAY with the link to MIHOP.org written on it in blueberry syrup. Sorry to joke... the IHOP connection is just to much to let go.

Seriously though, how can we break through?

[Talismom]

35. LOL, actually the IHOP joke is pretty good! n/t

[4MoreYearsOfHell]

23. Amazing...Congress is going on recess soon, DimSon

on another month-long vacation...

Does anybody feel the perfect storm coming on?

[Talismom]

28. I'm scared to death and everyone around me seems oblivious!

If it wasn't for you guys, I'd wonder if I was dreaming this up!

[neweurope]

33. kick

[TXlib]

36. Please adjust your tinfoil antenna

You're not properly receiving the vibrations from Mars.

If you had them properly calibrated, you'd know the Shuttle Chemtrail was only the beginning...

[Lerkfish]

37. to quote myself from further up the thread...

"All that happened was I was called a conspiracy theorist. later, as things proved true, no one would admit I was correct."

[LaurenG]

38. I'm kicking again for you

I have trouble when people pull out the tin foil crap. Thanks for posting this. I have always thought that they were behind it and I'm usually never wrong.

[TXlib]

39. ummm...

"I'm usually never wrong."

What, exactly, does that mean?

[LaurenG]

43. Sometimes people just know things

Some people hear an inner voice. If one is upset or anxious or busy they don't listen to themselves and what they know. I've been listening since I was born. I'm "usually" (no one knows everything or is 100%) never wrong. Lots of people here are like this. Too "sensitive" for their own good and then they say what they think is up and they get tin foiled. I grew up being treated like that so I don't care for it much.

:)

[Fescue4u]

45. Actually a nuke attack leaves ALOT of trace evidence

in the form of radiation.

Using the radioactive signature, they can pretty much pinpoint the origin of the device, as well pinpoint the with high degree of precision where the device detonated.

[cosmik debris]

51. Careful,

Facts confuse issues and distort opinions.

[Gay Green]

63. So if the Gov't give us zero info on the radiation sig after the attack

We can confidently say it was MIHOP.

[Fescue4u]

64. Well if it happens, no doubt that some will say that

There's always a conspiracist in the crowd.

Assuming that such a terrible event happens, should the US government not make public information, I personally dont think that is proof of anything other than the government acting like it usually does and withhold information.

However, because it would contaimate a vast area, the information would be available to virtually any scientist with the knowledge to analyze the data (which would no doubt include many foreign governments, albeit clandestinely)

lets hope we never find out

[osaMABUSh]

58. Sounds like it'll be August 2005

or, perhaps, the week the RoveGate indictments come down.

[Lerkfish]

59. final kick and thanks to everyone who participated...

I appreciate it.
I certainly hope this never comes to pass.

[The Jacobin]

61. Doo Dee Doo Doo

:tinfoilhat: