Green for Dean?? No..

[wanderingbear]

I guess my party party voted no on that plan(news to me)..So there will be no Compromise and the democrats have no hope of winning against Bush this election..

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[wanderingbear]

8. Why would I do that??

It says that this is a fourm for all liberals..

[LoZoccolo]

30. Yes, but you know we are mostly Democrats.

What is your whole point of this thread, other than to aggravate us?

You say you've got a real solution, well, you know, we'd all love to see the plan.
- The Beatles, "Revolution"

[wanderingbear]

36. Weve shown you the plan.You rejected the plan.

Were going ahead with the plan anyways.. Ill have to be sure to mention this site to my Green Party friends.. That is unless you guys deside that the Greens are Baned from this site to.. Ive never seen so much censorship on a Webform. And the Democrats claim to be pro free speech..

[LoZoccolo]

43. The plan is four more years of Bush?

I mean, that's what you said in the original post in this thread.

But when you talk about destruction, don't you know that you can count me out?
- The Beatles, "Revolution"

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[wyldwolf]

2. When the fascists come to arrest us all...

..I'll slug the nearest Green first...

[worldgonekrazy]

9. I'll slug you back

Funny...you are afraid of fascists, yet you don't think the Green political viewpoint has a right to be heard. Who is the fascist here?

[wyldwolf]

14. Did I say anything to the effect?

The Green viewpoint can and should be heard.

But, if the original poster's scenario comes to pass (and that is what this thread is about, right?), the Green viewpoint will have been heard even as Bush enjoys his second term.

No one honestly thinks the greens will win. If they siphon votes, we all lose.

[Iverson]

21. violence is a poor and cowardly reaction

Your threat also engages the notion of collective guilt. Try to imagine your deciding to slug the nearest Democrat upon the sellout of the Congressional Black Caucus, and you can see how irresponsible your statement is.

Have a bipartisan day.

[morgan2]

3. dean is no compromise

he's more of a centrist than al gore.

[twilight]

4. The Green Party has already endorsed Kucinich!

and I heard they MIGHT endorse Dean IF Kucinich doesn't win the nomination.

In the meantime, GO DK!!!



:dem: :kick:

[morgan2]

5. no ralph nader encouraged people

to vote for kucinich in the democratic primaries and said he wouldnt run if kucinich was the nominee. He is not the green party.

[twilight]

11. your are right morgan2

Mike Malloy stated this on his program this past Friday. Listen up - he's a Kucinich supporter and discussed the Dean aspect.

Actually, Mike Malloy will be on in a few minutes:

http://www.mikemalloy.com ... :D

:dem:

[ozone_man]

32. Sounds like he won't run if Dean is the candidate also.

Certainly Kucinich is closer than Dean to the Greens, but looks like Nader is being a realist here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=277608#277926

[wanderingbear]

6. No..They have said they will run their own canidate..

And not choose from among the Democrats..

[mike_c]

7. link please?

eom

[wanderingbear]

10. National Green Party website

http://www.gp.org

[mike_c]

16. thanks....

eom

[no name no slogan]

40. More than one nation-wide Green Party

There are a number of Green Parties nationwide. The site linked above is for the National Green Party. Here's a link to the Green Party USA's site: http://www.greenparty.org, which is based out of Chicago.

"The Green Party" is not a monolithic entity, like the Repubs or the Democrats, as there's more than one Green Party in the US. Also, different state branches affiliate with different national parties, as do counties and cities.

We had a similar situation in MN a few elections back, when the pro-pot party split into two different (but very similar) warring factions. It reminded me of that scene from "Life of Brian" where the various Jewish liberation groups were ranking on each other. Funny, if it wasn't so trajic.

[Philosophy]

12. If so their shooting themselves in the foot

If the green party supporters are smart they are going to realize that so much is at stake in the next election that they will to vote Democratic instead of Green even if their party runs someone. Then when the Green candidate does much poorer than expected it will be a blow to their party.

[wanderingbear]

13. No..Their shooting the Democrats in the foot..

The Greens have never won a presidential election,so they dont put all their hope on that.But we have enough numbers to topple any chances the Democrats might have of winning.

[BeatleBoot]

15. Lots of Laughs

You stated, "the Greens never won a presidential election..."

Ding, ding, ding!!!!

You are correct!

And they never will!

Enjoy Bush! You deserve him!

[bitchkitty]

18. News flash -

this is DemocraticUnderground - all liberals are welcome, yes, but I seriously doubt if "liberals" who want to topple the Democrats and give Bush free reign are going to be taken seriously. Green - yea, sure.

[wanderingbear]

35. The Idea of the Democrats haveing an underground is rediculus..

Their too mainstream.

[Iverson]

17. You are overstating your case.

In 2000 the Democratic candidate won, and only is not in the White House through a combination of timidity and electoral fraud. Gore did that without Green votes.

Further, I have found your approach to be a mirror of those exact things that are objectionable in the way that most Dems approach Greens. Belligerence and threat are no way to persuade. Dems alienate Greens when they do that; there is no reason to believe that your tactic will bear different results traveling in the opposite direction.

The outrageous thing is that in most cases Democrats and Greens expect to be allies at some point. Granted, a few revel in enmity, but try to remember that you're not arguing with the fascists.

[Iverson]

19. and one other detail

If you really are a Green, you know that the convention will reflect the collective decision of the state delegations, and not all state Green parties have exactly the same positions, nor do all candidates.

[wanderingbear]

22. Its no longer my tactic..

I was willing to make a compromise.. But the Party vote was against the compromise..

[Iverson]

24. no

I think that you are confused on that issue. At this point the only sentiments that we have to go on are resolutions proposed by individual states and positions of individual candidates. I recommend that you look into David Cobb. Surely you must know who he is.

Mainly, though, I was referring to the ways that we talk to each other. If I have to explain that further, it will do no good.

[wanderingbear]

28. THe National Party has just organized

Me and my sources were unaware of this..Im still registared with the old Green party. THis is just the News Im getting in from other members of the party from the Email list..Things are really up in the air right now.

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[wanderingbear]

23. Inter Party e-mails.

Sorry all on e-mail.

[mike_c]

25. huh?

Inter-party emails between which parties? Greens and Dems? Whom within the parties? On what authority do you have such information? I'm not disputing that in the end you might be correct, but unless you can produce the goods I think it's a bit early to start whipping the natives into a frenzy. Care to provide us with some of the actual text (and context) from those "inter-party emails?"

[wanderingbear]

26. No. between the Card carrying members of the Green Party.

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[wanderingbear]

33. Pay your a Party member dues

And they will send you one..

[Terwilliger]

37. I'm sure of it

he's been wrong about most everything up to this point

[Iverson]

39. You know, Ter, ...

Once again the term "subtrefuge" comes to mind.

[BeatleBoot]

27. He's got no proof...

By the way if there were emails between party members, then they would be INTRA-Party emails - not INTER-Party emails

[wanderingbear]

31. What Youve never heard of insider information..

But it does seem that our e-mail list is outdated..We just found out that theres a national party,and weve been working to make up for that lack of information.. But thats what we got so far..

[wanderingbear]

34. Besides what do you expect?? The Greens have gone National..

They have to run their own canidate now or loose their National Party status.

[mitchum]

38. Uh, the "Greens" really should send a more articulate representative here.

no offense...

[rumguy]

41. So wanderingbear, what Green Party are you speaking for?

[LoZoccolo]

44. Maybe it's the "hold your breath until you turn green" party.

:nopity:

I went down to the demonstration, to get my fair share of abuse,
Singin' "were gonna vent our frustration, and if we don't we're gonna blow a fifty-amp fuse."
- The Rolling Stones, "You Can't Always Get What You Want"

[rumguy]

45. Yesterday he started off saying he was national green

then changed to being part of the pacific green party...
Both times he claimes that the HQs were in Salem, Oregon.

The HQ for than national greens is DC. For the pacific greens it's Eugene...