Is the DLC in league with the Illuminati?

[quinnox]

Was wondering about this for a very long time, do you think the DLC is connected (albeit super secretly of course) with the Illuminati, the people who control the entire world

And if so, is there really any way to stop them???

[jobycom]

1. Shhhh

Some connections should not be discussed publicly...

[quinnox]

3. Heh, I am going to have to start looking over my shoulder now that I have

let the cat out of the bag!

[Born Free]

40. get the tin foil hats ready

it's amazing that people would still believe in this stuff today

[nookiemonster]

5. And don't let them see you.

That big ass "eye" on the pyramid will getcha!!

Oh crap, that's the freemasons, right? It's just all too much.

:sarcasm:

LOL

[TroglodyteScholar]

11. It's also the treasury and the DoD

[nookiemonster]

14. Well that's it then!

LOL

eom

[whistle]

2. I have no idea, but I sure am suspicious about the DLC from...

...almost everything I've read about them.

[Pithy Cherub]

4. Psst! They're on double super secret background with Dan Brown....

:crazy:

[Dr Fate]

6. An appeal to the ridiculous does not excuse their out-of-touch platform.

The real test will come when its time to knock on doors & man phone banks- I don't think a DLC platform will motivate the usual progressives to hit the streets.

[jobycom]

9. No, but their moderate platform does not justify the ridiculous accusation

made against them. They are moderate Democrats with a pro-business slant, yet there are some people here he equate them with extremists, and call any Democrat who doesn't rain fire and brimstone down upon the very mention of their name a traitor.

[Dr Fate]

13. And those are the people who knock on doors & man the phone banks...

...and put out the signs, stand on street corners, send out chain e-mails, empty waste baskets & make coffee,talk to neighbors, etc, etc.

I suggest we stay on their good side instead of accusing them of being looneys. They were RIGHT about Bush & his war, the DLC types who went along with Bush were & are wrong.

The "Micheal Moore nut-jobs" who have hit the nail on the head time after time just might be right about these DLC guys too.

[jobycom]

16. A minority won't win an election, no matter how many waste baskets they

empty.

As for Moore hitting the nail on the head time after time, I've not forgotten that he campaigned against Gore until almost the election in 2000, when he gave a weak support to voting for him. He wasn't so right, then.

I supported Clinton and Gore, and predicted the outcome of both of Bush's invasions, too. So I was more right than Moore, and it's his "side" accusing me of being a "looney" for not vehemently hating the DLC. The Democrats and this nation have a lot of problems, and most of them were not created by the DLC, and anyone who starts shouting "I won't vote for X because they support the DLC" is helping Bush more than they are helping us.

[Dr Fate]

19. I hope you find lots of moderates & swing-voters to run the campaigns.

Arguments about how the base should be marginalized don't inspire people to hit the pavement.

Any way, I was talking about the antiwar left being right and hitting the nail on the head, not about Moore's stance of 6 years ago.

Changing the subject to Target Moore does not solve our diliema- who will the DLC platform inspire to run the ground campaign?

[jobycom]

20. If the "base"

was who you seem to think it is, how do you explain Clinton winning over Browne, or Kerry winning over Kucinich or even Dean?

Our problem usually isn't finding volunteers, it's finding votes.

[Dr Fate]

22. I'm not talking about Politicans, I'm talking about grass-roots citizens

...you don't get them mobilized by presenting them as a fringe without influence.

You did not have trouble getting volunteers in 2004- that is for sure. That was last year.

That's the problem- the "play it safe" crowd is always thinking several months in the past. Most Americans do not support the war in Iraq anymore- and they certainly dont want the military breathing down the necks of their college kids. But the "me too" DEMs think it is still last year.

You will have a problem getting the base mobilized if this keeps up. I dont care about video games- I care about the war & honesty in government.

[jobycom]

23. >

I'm not even sure who you are claiming is being marginalized or who you think is marginalizing them, but my answer is the same. The DLC represents a significant portion of the party. We need all the votes we can get. Marginalizing the DLC, or the mainstream, or the Moore-crowd (or whatever you called them) is a losing strategy. We will not win with one faction or the other, nor by requiring perfect obedience to the beliefs of one faction within the party, we will win if we all vote together.

I don't know who your "play it safe" crowd is, or who the "me too" Dems are, or for that matter who you are really arguing against. My point through this thread has been that the DLC is a branch of the Defeat the Republicans party and I'm not going to equate them with the devil just because I don't agree with them on everything. That's a losing strategy, whether you are talking about the past, present or future. You don't win elections with really motivated minorities.

[Dr Fate]

24. Okay- I can agree with most of that.

I'd assume we just discuss everything in terms of 2006 & 2008 strategy from now on- what has worked before and what has not worked, etc.

We should agree that infighting does no good- whether it is knee-jerk anti DLC stuff or accusing the left of being into Masonic conspiracies, none of it really helps.

[jobycom]

30. Doesn't help

But it gives us something to do until the real campaigning starts. :-)

[Dr Fate]

31. LOL!

I think you are right! ;)

[LittleClarkie]

36. Shouldn't the "base" sorta be in the majority?

otherwise why do we call them the base?

If the base votes in the primaries more than the swing voters do, then who they vote for should be an indication of where they're head is at, right?

I think Ed Schultz is right. There are more liberals and Democrats who are like him then there are people farther to the left, ie the ones who say he's not far enough to the left and must be Repub-lite.

Or those who refer to the DLC as the right wing (I still wanna know what we call the actual Right Wing then. The uber mighty really, really Right Wing?)

[jobycom]

7. You're teasing, but I've heard some in all seriousness

equate Skull and Bones, the Trilateral Commission, and the DLC. The basic argument is they are all part of the same organization, but they are crafted to appeal to different crowds. Anyone who actually wins from either party was put there by this master planner.

Interesting--what that means is that we have to immediately oppose anyone who wins, you see.

[wli]

12. major fallacy there

Winning isn't evidence of such. If you're going to back these claims then do it with real evidence, for instance, whisteblowers' reports, financial transaction links, records of meetings, etc.

[jobycom]

17. All the records are secret, don't you see? You have to read between the

lines, ask who had the most to gain, etc. All conspiracy theories are alike. There is no evidence because those behind the conspiracy are too powerful and smart to leave evidence. In fact, the complete lack of evidence only proves the case more. Evidence would only get in the way, and would only exist as a deliberate plan to throw you off the true scent.

[wli]

21. when evidence is lacking the conclusions must be limited

You can't go jumping to conclusions not supported by fact.

There's no such thing as a "conspiracy theory." There is unsubstantiated speculation and there is fact. An interesting thing is that various "conspiracy theory" websites resort to fabrication and intermix it with truth, which appears to be a standard method of disinformation.

[jobycom]

27. No, of course not. When evidence is lacking, the theory is proven

It is only evidence which destroys theories. And of course, the evidence itself is always suspect. If, say, you have evidence that Oswald was in the sixth floor window of the SBD in Dallas with a rifle, and was seen leaning out of the window and firing shots at Kennedy, that only more certainly proves that the evidence is wrong, because it goes against the vague but more appealing argument that Kennedy was actually shot by everyone in the world EXCEPT Oswald.

Same with the DLC and Skull and Bones. If you had evidence that they were simply a think tank/lobbyist group and a silly, pretentious frat organization, then that evidence would certainly be false, because it doesn't fit the more romantic notion that they are really running the world, and that you are helpless before them.

And of course conspiracy pages mix fabrication with truth, because reality far exceeds the normal boundaries of truth. Reality requires fabrication to better illustrate the truth. We must not let our theories be limited by truth.

[wli]

33. you're intermixing facetiousness and direct claims a bit

This makes it a bit hard to properly interpret your comments.

Anyhow, it's clear that there are some people out there whose standards of evidence are not reasonable (far too lax).

The claim you're advancing with the facetious anti-conspiracy-theory argument is being supported largely by a straw man argument, and is something of a disservice to independent inquiries such as we must now engage in regarding the activities of the Bush administration.

In other words, we need to be far more careful dismissing things as "conspiracy theory" because merely contradicting official positions advanced by the corrupt administration is vulnerable to such smears. We also need to be far more careful before accepting things as true, because there are large amounts of disinformation being circulated (no claim about the origin or motive of the disinformation is needed here).

The other thing we need to do is vastly upgrade our standards of research, citation, and evidence when coming to negative conclusions regarding the Bush administration. I myself am not a researcher into those claims, but what I can see is that there are various uncited sources in various articles, broken hyperlinks, and so on that could all be taken as holes in the arguments. There are a lot of things that are true but whose supporting arguments are weakly made that need to have their supporting arguments shored up.

[Canuckistanian]

8. Howard Dean better stay out of small planes from now on...

... and liberal blogs must be crushed without mercy.

[wli]

10. I don't buy the Illuminati stuff

The "evidence" for secret societies controlling things is marginal at best. And frankly there would have been credible whistleblowers by now if they were real.

[Lecky]

15. There's no such thing as the "Illuminati"

so no.

[Mass]

18. Funny, as a spoof of all the anti DLC posts today

This little war between these two camps has made us lose our focus on what matters.

What happens to RoveGate, Roberts, DSM, and the lame attempt by the Republican Senate to cloture the DOD bill before it could vote on the anti torture amendments.

So, we can all see a few Republicans can easily throw us off track, just by pushing a few buttons.

[LittleClarkie]

25. No, but I think they're in league with Skull and Bones, and Bildeberger

and aliens from Mars.

They want our recipe for Rigatoni sauce.

Whatever you do, don't give it to them.

[Mass]

28. May be we should call Mulder and Scully

They may unveil the vast conspiracy.

[LittleClarkie]

29. Clever of Hillary to point the thing out

considering she's apparently a part of it, being all DLCish and all. Shh. Don't tell anyone.

[Lecky]

32. LOL

I miss that show.

[Jim Sagle]

26. Whadda buncha shit.

[Warren DeMontague]

34. Bury $1,023.23 in a wood box (NO METAL!) in your back yard...

...one of our underground agents will contact you.

[Dragonfli]

37. Zarathud is that you? - The sacred Chao is in the barn.. eom

[Warren DeMontague]

38. French Canadian Bean Soup.

Mother is the best bet and don't let Satan draw you too fast.

[Dragonfli]

35. Why Yes - Specifically ABC

American Bavarian Conspiracy
There are others - o yes --there are others
Remember it is HC - it is the wife that is the agent, remember the wife.
You did not hear that from me!

Damn ! I have already said to much!!

[Warren DeMontague]

39. "HC"

Wow, never noticed that before. Funny.

[rman]

41. Irrelevant - it's clear what the DLC stand for;

corporate interests above workers' interests.
No amount of speculation and CTs changes that.