CAFTA Passes 217-215

[sunnystarr]

YAY NAY NV

Republican 202 27 2
Democrat 15 187
Independent 1

TOTAL 217 215



Not only did it pass due to 15 Dems, but it looks like the deal Bush and Cheney made was for some Rs not to vote unless it was a YAY.

I'm sick over this.

*edited to correct final vote and I take back the reason for the NV since it was only 2 ... but then again ...

[Dr.Phool]

1. final at the gavel 217-215

[gasperc]

36. of the 2 NV, the guy from NC said he voted NO

and that it wasn't recorded, there was another thread about people calling his office in NC and complaining and what about the other rep?

That could mean the vote was ACTUALLY A TIE, but is being covered up!!!!

[gasperc]

37. was this vote a tie

and it's being covered up.

The rep from NC is insisting he voted NO!!!!

[gasperc]

38. I called Jo Ann Davis(R) VA and they would not comment

on why she did not vote

I smell something stinky!!!!!

[Wetzelbill]

2. Fucking Democrats, worthless

thye should be called the Worthless 15.

[acmavm]

3. So am I. So am I. We need those 15 names.

.

[brokensymmetry]

4. Me too.

But, they've steamrollered us on everything else. Why should it even come as a surprise?

[Bluebear]

5. WHO THE HELL were the Democrats?????

I am sick over this.

[Dr.Phool]

11. The usual suspects. DLC and "New Democrats".

[punpirate]

6. Well, all you Central American countries that...

... signed onto this, bend over and don't dare touch that jar of Vaseline--the United Corporations of America is coming to get ya!

*sigh*

[AntiCoup2K4]

7. And the DLC has the nerve to ask why they are so despised?

:puke:

[Armstead]

8. At least it was close

Even with all his pushing, enough republicans defected that this wasn;t a clean win for Bushco.

Gotta take consolation where we can, i guess.

[Dr.Phool]

13. What consolation? We fucking lost!

That's like losing a football game by one point. We lost, aand got sold the fuck out. I'm pissed.

[Armstead]

19. So am I, but ya gotta look for the silver lining

Put it on a trend chart. A few years ago this would have sailed through with "bipartisan support."

This time even a fair number of Repubs were against it.

[napi21]

9. FINE! I'll be checking if my Rep voted for it, and I hope you will too!

I don't have any Dems around here, so I'd vote against my rep anyway, but I will send a LTTE when I find out for sure, and remind everyone here what this stupid vote is going to cost them!

[rockymountaindem]

10. Ok, now, wait a minute.

That was 15 Dems out of 202. That's 7%. Now, those Democrats who voted for CAFTA should be held accountable for their vote. Call them, e-mail them, vote against them in the primary.

However, 93% of Democrats voted against CAFTA. That means that 93% of our reps. did the right thing. 93% didn't sell us out. Please don't bash the whole party over 15 sellouts.

[union_maid]

12. Very true

I have a sick feeling that my rep voted for it. He was undecided last he spoke about. I'm not mentioning his name until I know for sure, though. But kudos to the party for mostly uniting against it.

[rockymountaindem]

14. And furthermore...

How many members of the House Dems are DLC? I think at least 50. This also means that even if the 15 defectors are all DLC, even the majority of the DLC voted with us.

As bad as CAFTA might turn out to be, I think the Democrats as a whole showed who they stand with tonight.

[sunnystarr]

15. I applaud all those who did ...

but we only needed 3 out of those 15 to vote NAY. Isn't it interesting that only 2 Rs didn't vote ... bet they would have voted NAY making it a tie. Bush and Cheney didn't make a personal visit for nothing. However we could have applied some pressure on those 15 and defeated it. They closed the vote before getting the majority of 218 ... so they knew that they wouldn't get that one extra vote. So I really want those Dem names.

[Sgent]

18. We needed ONE

If one of those idiots would have switched, we would have a 216-216 tie, which in the house means no passage.

[Yupster]

21. Probably not

there were probably a handful of other Republicans who would have voted yes if it was needed.

That's pretty typical in these kinds of votes. You'll have reps who tell the president that a yes vote might cause them to lose their seats.

So the president's men will work it out and actually give marginal guys "permission" to vote no.

If one Democratic rep would have changed his vote to no, you would see one Rep rep change his vote to yes.

On the other hand, if 6 more Dems would have voted no, then that would have forced 6 more Reps to have voted yes putting their seats at risk.

[sunnystarr]

23. Shit now I feel sicker (nt)

[unlawflcombatnt]

16. Democrats & the DLC

All we needed were just a few less Democratic turncoats and CAFTA would have failed. Let's all send a thank you note to the DLC for their support of Corporate America and their sellout of American workers on this issue. This was the worst of the worst "free-slave" bills and the DLC still supported it.

unlawflcombatnt

[bornskeptic]

31. Four of the Aye votes were DLC.

Bean, Meeks, Moore, and Moran.
The other 11 were not DLC.
http://www.dlc.org/new_dem_dir.cfm
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll443.xml

[jsamuel]

17. We should congratulate all 27 Repubs and 187 Dems that voted against it

Call them.... whatever.


As for the 202 Repubs.......... no more in 2006.

As for the 15 Dems............. no more in 2006.


I cannot support anyone who would overlook 14 year old girls working 12 hours a day for 2 dollars and one 15 minute break a day. That job would come from US companies that move jobs of people who have been employed for 30 years full time, supporting their families.

Just disgusting...

[Nikki Stone 1]

20. I WANT THOSE 15 NAMES

Yeah, I'm pissed off. I haven't posted on these threads but I have been keeping track of the progress.

I agree that the greater part of our party showed some spine. A BIG THANK YOU to those Dems (and the few Repubs) who voted against this.

2 frigging votes~

Those 15 heads are gonna roll.

[sunnystarr]

24. Here are the names ... now get some darts

Bean
Cooper
Cuellar
Dicks
Hinojosa
Jefferson
Matheson
Meeks (NY)
Moore (KS)
Moran (VA)
Ortiz
Skelton
Snyder
Tanner
Towns

[Nikki Stone 1]

25. Frigging Moran

nt

[AntiCoup2K4]

28. Norm Dicks voted for this shit??

Geezus.... Norm's hardly a liberal, but his district (apart from the military bases) contains some of the most economically devastated areas of the state, mostly towns dependent on the fishing and timber industries which put themselves out of business through greed and overharvesting. How the Hell can he be thinking that outsourcing jobs to Central America is going to help the Olympic Peninsula??

Unbelievable.

[sunnystarr]

26. OMGGG as I posted I saw my Representative's name

I called his office tonight to urge him to vote against CAFTA. Wait till they hear my mouth tomorrow. One vote ... and it had to be him!

[Dragonfli]

22. I challenge the DLC lurkers that have infested this board tonight

To come here now and take a bow.
gloat, condescend , tell me why this is so gosh darned good for America.
Gloat, celebrate your victory, then offer me a reason why the DLC should not be removed from the party like the cancerous growth it is.

Tell me why there has been such an effort to proselytize of late.
Tell me why we should allow you to fully metastasize as seems to be your endeavor of late.


Sorry to everyone else for all of this anger and passion, I worked kinda hard on this one and I am sick as well. And very very tired.

[ulysses]

27. I'll second that challenge. n/t

[Erika]

29. And I'll agree

It's evident that Republicans won't stand up for American workers but I thought we could count on the democrats.

[AntiCoup2K4]

30. I'm in.

Let's hear that explanation, From Scouts. How will CAFTA miraculously save us?

[Dragonfli]

32. Crickets.... silence.....Shame?

I have to sleep now.
Somehow I don't think that when I log on tomorrow I will be assaulted with the missionary posts of the priests of the new democratic enlightenment.

I expect no conversion on my part after succumbing to post after post of brilliant DSM wisdom concerning this issue.

I suspect this because I believe they are too ashamed to take pride in what they have accomplished tonight.
Like all of the really good sales reps out there, they know when their product sucks and when not to focus on why.

It is indeed time to remove this cancer, it has become one of my new hobbies!

Goodnight all - and thanks to those that have posted that they have my back.

[ulysses]

33. no assault yet. n/t

[Dragonfli]

41. They do not wish to cast pearls before liberal swine like me

I guess I can't blame them. I am not clever enough to see why the DLC position on trade is so good for working folks like myself.
It would be a waste of such beautiful minds to condescend to the likes of me.
If I were a worthy individual I would be a CEO by now and thus capable of grasping such lofty Ideals.
I am just not cultured enough or intelligent enough for them.

[Mass]

35. Out of the 15, 3 were DLC.

Now, I am all to remove these 15, DLC or not.

[rman]

43. "Only 3 Democratic CAFTA traitors were DLC right??......WRONG!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1966479

[Dragonfli]

46. 9! - I had a feeling "3" was bullshit - thanks for the clarification -NT

[Dragonfli]

45. I thought it was 4 - And I agree

There is more than one DINO type Congress Critter out there hiding behind false Democratic colors. They are helping only the corporatists and therefore should be replaced in the primaries if at all possible. Failing that, Independents may be able to challenge them.
Lets get to work brother!

[LoZoccolo]

39. Because the DLC is awesome!

:bounce:

[Dragonfli]

42. Such brilliance that their light blinds the eyes of mere mortals

Only one angel of light in all of recorded literature was as brilliant.
Like them this angel was greatly misunderstood, Lucifer the original angel of light. The patron saint of the DLC.

[erpowers]

34. Vote Held Open

The vote was held open by Tom Delay and the Republicans. At first when the when time for the vote expired CAFTA had been voted down. Then Delay broke the House rules and allowed the time for debate to stay open for an hour so he could get more votes. I think the Democrats should put this fact out every time they talk about CAFTA.

[ticapnews]

40. Same thing they did in 2003 on the Medicare bill...

Congressional candidates mentioned this over and over again to no effect. Most of these Representatives live in districts that are safe. And for the GOP, their districts will support this vote anyway. If it means they can buy things for a dime less at Wally World, these idiots will support it, without ever noticing the "Made in China" (or made in Guatemala") labels and without thinking about the millions of lost jobs and suppressed wages that result from saving that dime.

[deutsey]

44. Working Families Call to Action

>
>Dear Working Families e-Activist,
>
>You've probably heard that the U.S. House passed CAFTA last
>night--by a two-vote margin.
>
>Your pressure on members of Congress made a huge
>difference--this was the best result we've ever had among
>Democrats on a trade deal.
>
>But close isn't good enough. Please contact your representative
>right now and thank her or him for voting with working families.
>If your representative voted wrong, put the heat on--make sure
>your member of Congress knows there are consequences for voting
>against working families.
>
>http://www.unionvoice.org/ct/81qe-q71rubo/
>
>The 15 Democrats and the 202 Republicans who voted for the
>Dominican Republic-Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA)
>voted AGAINST American jobs. They voted AGAINST decent treatment
>for our Dominican and Central American brothers and sisters.
>They voted AGAINST working families.
>
>And they need to hear right away that there are consequences for
>sell-out votes like this.
>
>http://www.unionvoice.org/ct/81qe-q71rubo/
>
>Let's be clear: CAFTA failed on its merits.
>
>It was salvaged in the middle of the night by the Bush team's
>last-minute pork deals and high-stakes pressure. CAFTA will
>extend to Central America the disastrous job loss and
>environmental damage caused by 11 years of the North American
>Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
>
>Thanks to your mobilization efforts, to win CAFTA Republican
>leaders had to keep the vote open for an hour while they
>strong-armed swing voters.
>
>For the future, we need to look at every option to get real
>support in Congress for working people--and that includes
>backing primary opponents against so-called Democrats who REFUSE
>to stand with the working people who elected them!
>
>Take a moment to thank the representatives who voted right and
>let members who voted wrong feel the heat. Click this link:
>
>http://www.unionvoice.org/ct/81qe-q71rubo/
>
>U.S. workers lost more than 1 million jobs and real wages in
>Mexico have fallen as a result of NAFTA in the past 11 years,
>according to the nonprofit Economic Policy Institute.
>(http://www.unionvoice.org/ct/npqe-q71rub9/)
>
>Unions and progressive legislators in the Central American
>countries opposed CAFTA because it will destroy agriculture and
>increase poverty in their countries.
>
>Tell Congress right now that you know who stood WITH working
>families and who stood with corporate lobbyists and AGAINST
>working families:
>
>http://www.unionvoice.org/ct/81qe-q71rubo/
>
>Because of your efforts, we were able to persuade the majority
>of Democrats to vote against CAFTA. Unfortunately, the following
>15 Democrats joined with 202 Republicans and voted wrong on
>CAFTA:
>
>Melissa Bean (Ill.), Jim Cooper (Tenn.), Henry Cuellar (Texas),
>Norman Dicks (Wash.), Ruben Hinojosa (Texas), William Jefferson
>(La.), Jim Matheson (Utah), Gregory Meeks (N.Y.), Dennis Moore
>(Kan.), Jim Moran (Va.), Solomon Ortiz (Texas), Ike Skelton
>(Mo.), Vic Snyder (Ark.), John Tanner (Tenn.), Edolphus Towns
>(N.Y.).
>
>And these 27 Republican members of Congress joined 187 Democrats
>and 1 Independent in voting against CAFTA:
>
>Charles Boustany (La.), Shelley Moore Capito (W.Va.), Howard
>Coble (N.C.), Barbara Cubin (Wyo.), Virginia Foxx (N.C.), Scott
>Garrett (N.J.), Virgil Goode (Va.), Gil Gutknecht (Minn.), John
>Hostettler (Ind.), Duncan Hunter (Calif.), Bobby Jindal (La.),
>Walter Jones (N.C.), Frank LoBiondo (N.J.), Connie Mack (Fla.),
>Thaddeus McCotter (Mich.), Patrick McHenry (N.C.), John McHugh
>(N.Y.), Candice Miller (Mich.), Robert Ney (Ohio), Charlie
>Norwood (Ga.), Butch Otter (Idaho), Ron Paul (Texas), Dennis
>Rehberg (Mont.), Rob Simmons (Conn.), Mike Simpson (Idaho),
>Chris Smith (N.J.), Tom Tancredo (Colo.).
>
>Please take a moment right now to thank those who stood with
>working families and hold accountable those who supported CAFTA.
>
>
>http://www.unionvoice.org/ct/81qe-q71rubo/
>
>Thanks for all you do.
>
>In solidarity,
>
>Working Families e-Activist Network, AFL-CIO
>July 28, 2005
>
>P.S. Please forward this e-mail to your co-workers, friends and
>family and ask them to take action, too.
>
>Visit The Union Shop:
>http://www.unionvoice.org/ct/n7qe-q71rubk/
>--------------------------------------------------
>
>Tell your friends and co-workers to help save jobs by taking
>action to stop CAFTA. Invite them to be part of this important
>campaign.
>
>http://www.unionvoice.org/join-forward.html?domain=wfean&r=idqe-q715uby
>
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