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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:44 PM
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Y'all should really read this re: Plamegate.
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 11:57 PM by Carolab
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:51 PM
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1. A link
to your own ignored thread in another forum, which quotes something without providing a link?

Thanks!
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:54 PM
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2. It's not my thread. It was started by someone else. It's great stuff.
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 11:55 PM by Carolab

July 27, 2005

We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." It was September 2002, and then-National Security Advisor, now-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was fastening on CNN perhaps the most memorable and frightening single link in the Bush regime’s chain of lies propagandizing the war on Iraq. Behind her carefully planted one-liner with its grim imagery was the whole larger hoax about Saddam Hussein possessing or about to acquire weapons of mass destruction, a deception as blatant and inflammatory as claims of the Iraqi dictator’s ties to Al Qaeda.

Rice’s demagogic scare tactic was also very much part of the tangled history of alleged Iraqi purchases of uranium from Niger, the fabrication leading to ex-Ambassador Joseph Wilson’s now famous exposé of the fraud, the administration’s immediate retaliatory “outing” of Wilson’s wife Valerie Plame as a CIA operative, and now the revelation that the President’s supreme political strategist Karl Rove and Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff Lewis Libby were involved in that potentially criminal leak—altogether the most serious political crisis Bush has faced. In fact, though her pivotal role has been missed entirely—or deliberately ignored—in both the media feeding frenzy and the rising political clamor, now-Secretary of State Rice was also deeply embroiled in the Niger uranium-Plame scandal, arguably as much as or more so than either Rove or Libby.

For those who know the invariably central role of the NSC Advisor in sensitive political subjects in foreign policy and in White House leaks to the media as well as tending of policy, especially in George W. Bush’s rigidly disciplined, relentlessly political regime, Rice by both commission and omission was integral in perpetrating the original fraud of Niger, and then inevitably in the vengeful betrayal of Plame’s identity. None of that spilling of secrets for crass political retribution could have gone on without her knowledge and approval, and thus complicity. Little of it could have happened without her participation, if not as a leaker herself, at least with her direction and with her scripting.

more...

http://www.egp360.net/midnightride/morris_2005_07_24.shtml
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:55 PM
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3. the link you provided is to a thread you started
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:57 PM
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4. No. IT IS NOT.
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 11:58 PM by Carolab
IT IS NOT MY POST AND IT IS VITAL INFORMATION.

I REPOSTED IT HERE BECAUSE IT WAS IN EDITORIALS AND IT COULD NOT BE RECOMMENDED FOR GREATEST PAGE THERE!
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:59 PM
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5. You edited your original post
There's no need to lie about it. Just say you put the wrong link in at first, then fixed it.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:01 AM
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6. wow how picky can get? Is it a full moon? (nt)
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:01 AM
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7. No....
it was a full moon last week.

The original poster changed her link, then pretended that I was out of line. I'm just defending myself against the charge. No biggie.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:03 AM
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9. Your PROBLEM, Fiona, is that you didn't look at the ORIGINAL post.
You only read my response, which the first link pointed to. If you had just scrolled up to the ORIGINAL POST, you'd have seen the problem.

SHEESH. Chill out.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:02 AM
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8. NO SHIT. Just read the GD article.
It's amazing material.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:05 AM
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10. I'm pretty chill...
thanks. And thanks for fixing the original post. All's good now.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:34 AM
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11. It took a while to read it because it's so thorough
Thanks for the heads up. I missed it since I don't have time to go to all the forums. What a great chronology and it sure makes one think. I think he's right on about Rice. I also believe that Bolton was involved. Morris clarified and expanded on a great deal of the information and added much depth to the events. I was really impressed with his credentials which give him added credibility.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:52 AM
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12. I just finished reading this on another board...Thanks for posting
Thanks Carolab and NVMojo!

It's a good read--a good chronology of events. Puts things into perspective.

I found this part interesting:

"January 2001: Parties unknown burgle the Nigerien embassy in Rome. Stolen from the torn-up offices are various valuables along with stationery and official seals, which the Italian police warn might be used to forge documents. "



Particularly, in light of following some of the threads like Nothing Without Hope's thread here:

WHO FORGED THE NIGER DOCUMENTS? At the heart of the WMD lies...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1939214&mesg_id=1939214
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