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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:14 PM
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Cafta vote on in the Senate
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 07:14 PM by Mass
I did not hear everything but I heard

Lieberman, Lincoln, Nelson (FL), Bingaman all voting YES

Landrieu voting NO.

Cantwell YES.

All other Dems I heard at this point voting NO.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:15 PM
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1. Thomas NO
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:16 PM
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2. So what's this vote now?
I thought CAFTA was already voted on in the Senate.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:17 PM
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3. I missed the beginning
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 07:17 PM by Mass
So I do not have a tally.

I think that unfortunately CAFTA will pass

Just now Carper YES.

Reid NO

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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:20 PM
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5. Me too - I thought it had already passed the Senate? -eom
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:22 PM
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7. I think the House voted on a different version
and the Senate had to vote again.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:20 PM
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4. Final tally - YES 56 - NO 44
Grrr! Why cant we count on certain people.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:21 PM
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6. Does it have to go to conference?
One last tiny glimmer of hope perhaps?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:23 PM
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8. No, this was the final vote, I think
They voted the same bill the house voted for last night, so they do not need a conference report, I imagine.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:27 PM
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9. Did the House modify it or something?
So that the Senate had to revote?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 07:28 PM
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10. I think they added provisions for sugar producers
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 07:32 PM by Mass
to get a few more votes.

The amazing thing is that we could have hoped that a few Dems would have changed their votes to NO, but on the contrary the final tally has one less NO vote.

This is really disappointing.
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:06 PM
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11. The official vote will be listed here
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:12 PM
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12. It is now
Dems voting YES

Bingaman (D-NM)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Wyden (D-OR)

Republicans voting NO

Burns (R-MT)
Collins (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:14 PM
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13. Though Jeffords is Independent, not a Democrat (n/t)
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:14 PM
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14. right...\nt
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:15 PM
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15. Great. Now Snowe can run as pro-worker because
she cast a meaningless "no" vote on this law. If her's had been the deciding vote, no way she would vote "no."
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:18 PM
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16.  you may like this article about Republican moderates
if you have not already read it.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewPrint&articleId=10002

The Fraud Caucus
To hear the media tell it, moderate Republicans are the greatest thing to hit Washington since air-conditioning. Enough already.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:19 PM
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17. Some Red State Democrats we can't do anything about
No sense in trying to undermine Nelson (NE) or the two Arkansas Democrats (Pryor and Lincoln); we should just be grateful we have any Democrats elected there at all (even though they're practically Republican).

Some of the others in Bluer states, especially someone like Feinstein, require replacement with true-blue Democrats, pronto.
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 08:43 PM
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18. As far as I am concerned, the most important votes Pryor, Lincoln et al
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 08:43 PM by ticapnews
cast are the first ones they cast every two Januarys: for Majority Leader. I am hopeful that after the 2008 elections they will be casting meaningful votes as part of the Democratic majority. Then votes like this would never even come to pass...
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