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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:36 PM
Original message
The Freeper Saga Continues (Part II)
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 01:36 PM by Steely_Dan
Hello All:

You may recall that I posted a thread that was essentially an exchange between me and a Freeper from the midwest. You can read that thread at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1961705&mesg_id=1961705

I mentioned that I would post additional exchanges between us if I felt they either "upped the funny" or were generally entertaining. Well...the following has met that criterion.

By way of review and context, I am posting the last email from the other thread...my responses follow.

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Her Email to Me
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Have you read the Bible??? God says, not to be of the world but to judge all things according to his word.. You are not to Judge people but can their Actions.. as we all fall short.. Iraq is the beginning of the end.. every war from now on will be over Israel If God's word says not to do something.. If you Love God you don't do it~~~! Also look at What Jesus said.. When I come back again it will as the days of Noah.. READ them text...... But this will mean nothing to someone that dosen't read the word or try to understand what is being said.. BE NOT OF THIS WORLD.. don't do things because the WORLD say's it's OK..
No one want's war~~~! you'd be a fool to want War... But I think the right thing was done as we are in end times... As according to Gods word we are at the point of Jesus return.. His word is being spread all over the world and many of the Muslins are being converted and many are seeing visions of Jesus .. WE need a revival in our country to get back to the basic of the Bible as the Ten Comandments say to do... Every one sins and falls short... I love a gay person and have several friends that have had abortions and I love them.. Jesus loves them... But it was wrong.. I do things every day that are wrong~~~! Thank Jesus I'm washed in his Blood..... I'm no different than you.. I know you want the right thing for your country.. but it has to be right with God to be right.. we can't go by what is tollerated or what other say.. Why do you think this country has lasted as long as it has??? It's because of the blood shed in other lands to free the and break the bondages of other.. NO greater gift can a man give than to lay down his life for another... I know each of our precious souls lost in war are with our father in heaven... many say that the lives lost is awful the live lost in an abortions office every day is 4000 justify that!

It's really bad as in end time it says they will call right wrong and wrong right... Guess what .. WE ARE THERE!

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My Response
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You know...I was just going to email you back and thank you for your
response and leave it at that. I thought to myself that this person is so
far gone in her thinking that it isn't worth the trouble to agrue with her.

I won't argue with you on your points other than to say:

My email to you did not call you names or spew hatred. It was simply to
express my "concern" about what you were sending out. The last time I
checked, I believe that we still have "free speech" in this country.
Re-read my email and you will see that I did not resort to name calling...I
do not hate you. I simply disagree with you. Perhaps that is more than you
can deal with.

Unfortunately you have proven many of my points about you just by reading
your response. You obviously cannot discuss these issues without getting
"very" upset. And usually people that get as upset as you do not think
rationally and make any any sort of dialogue impossible.

Finally...
It has been my experience that people that respond with such hatred and
anger have read something that must strike true to them. Were there things
I said that make you ashamed because you know that they are true?

I could have sent my email to everyone on your email list (in that is is
simply at the top of each of your emails). But I chose the high road and
decided only to respond to you, the author. I assure you that when you send
out a mass email with such opinionated statements, you are bound to upset
someone on the list. If not, you run the risk of upsetting someone at the
other end who may be a family member or friend. My point is, that if you
send out the kind of emails you send out, you must be willing to accept
responses to them...some that will not agree with you.

I'm sorry that I upset you. I am sure that you are a fine God-fearing
woman.

By the way...I minored in Religious Studies in college. Please don't imply
that I do not "know" the Bible. The truth is, the Bible is interpreted.
Have you even considered that your interpretation may be wrong?

-P

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Her Response (Today's Email)
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I just got this from a gal in Calif.. dealing with our social programs ... this is all goverment running our lives and the DEM party keeps promoting more goverment taking care of us instead of making people get off their dead butts and be responsible for them selves.. I'm not saying people that are disable but the ones that can work and don't or drink or do drugs that our tax dollars are paying for... What policy has the Dem come up with that has helped in any way in the last 20 yrs... Name ONE!!! I'm sorry I just get so up set as I need health insurance and I can't buy it as It will cost me 6000.00 for one yr.. maybe more.. I feel I have to work for what I have.. I know God wants us to work 6 days a week and rest on the 7th but we work all 7~!

Rosie
Date: 07/28/05 13:28:35
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: A can of worms

People are so unreal! You know my theory on life is live and let live, I had a guy call me regarding a local add I put in the paper, "champion grandsired yorkies" he said there is no such thing, I said the pups grandfather is a champion sire=father, he said the add was misleading because people would think I ment grand champion sired, and there is no such thing, I said their great grandfather is a "grand champion" in Brazil, and there is such a thing, just not in this country. Anyways... he hung up on me. I think these people who were breeding low quality yorkies are getting mad that there are good yorkies beeting them out.

As far as the welfare thing... I run a billing service, we do insurance billing for physicians, and the welfare people are in a class of their own. They don't have to take responsibility for anything, and their attitudes are unreal! They are rude, demanding and obnoxious, all on our tax dollars! Oh don't get me started on these guys! I feel that we are like the animal kingdom, the strong survive, but with all the social programs out there the lazy and week are living better than most of us who bust our butts everyday. Then these loosers have so much free time they get bored and start thinking of ways they can hurt other people. We just had a whole family murdered by a sex offender, who then took the little boy and girl, killed the boy and mollested the girl for several months before he was caught. Then a father raped and stabbed his daughter last week, she was found by the side of a road, left for dead. This in my oppinion is what we get with the social programs, because people do not learn the value of life and hard work.

Heather

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My Response
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Dear R:

Thanks for your response (both of them). I will respond to each individually.
I must say that I am beginning to enjoy our little exchange. Strange, I get this feeling that you may not be feeling the same.

Your email is interesting. You trash the “Dems” for their social programs and then you spend a considerable amount of time complaining that you cannot afford health insurance.

It may surprise you to learn that it has always been the Democrats that have championed universal health care. You see, many of us believe that a person’s health should not be determined by their ability to pay. That is to say, that many of us believe that health in America should be a right, not a privilege. If it is a privilege (like it is now), only the rich can afford good health care. People like you and I have to struggle just to see a doctor because we are not rich. Currently, there are over 47 million Americans that do not have any kind of health care insurance. Very sad.

You may recall in the early months of the Clinton Administration, Hillary was given the task of coming up with a comprehensive universal health care program so people like you and I could get health care just like the rich. Unfortunately, she was attacked viciously by the Republicans for even considering this kind of program. The attack was so severe, she immediately backed down.

Did you know that President Bush tried to stop Americans from purchasing much needed prescriptions from Canada where they could get their drugs at much less the cost? Allowing Americans to purchase drugs from Canada would have meant that many Americans (particularly the elderly) would not have to choose between eating and getting their life-saving prescriptions.

President Bush did not want Americans purchasing cheaper drugs from Canada because it would have meant that American Pharmaceutical companies would loose money.

You may or may not want to believe this. It is up to you. However, you can find plenty of “accurate” documentation supporting my point. And no, they are not off-the-wall web sites that hate Bush. We are talking about mainstream newspapers like The New York Times and Washington Post. If you would like, I can provide that information to you and you can judge for yourself. However, as with the proverbial “you can lead them to water, but can’t make them drink,” it would be up to you to educate yourself.

So…
When you complain that you cannot afford health care, you should thank your Republican friends who view any kind of health care program as “communism” or “socialism.” With their leadership, it will remain that only the rich can afford to stay healthy.

-Paige

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She has also sent another email that I have not responded to...it is a real winner. Look for it later today.

-Paige
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:48 PM
Response to Original message
1. Your patience is astonishing.
She keeps switching from topic to topic - as is their wont. Never responds to anything YOU say, just moves the target to some other topic. And the stuff at the beginning about this being the end times, so we should just "go along" with it? Brother!
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bikeboy Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:23 PM
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2. what's amazing is
it seems she really wants to get off the bus (so to say) "the end is near!...well honey! get your ass off but I myself think the bus has quite a few more stops.

I wounder what she thinks about george's 50 vacation?

Thanks for share this gem with us
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:26 PM
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3. She doesn't make one iota of sense...hysteria. And if the 'end
times' are here, why isn't she dancing in the street? This person could well be insane.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:30 PM
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4. I hope her prayers are more coherent than her e-mails
Or Jesus has one HELL of a headache (no pun intended)
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dean_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 03:31 PM
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8. That, by far,
Was the funniest post I've read all day. Thank you.
I'm just getting this mental image of Jesus checking the Caller ID, shaking his head and letting it go to voicemail.
:rofl:
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teenagebambam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:32 PM
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5. Now that the "Muslins" are being converted...
....let's get started on the silks and wools!
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. LOL!
Yeah, I need more redeemed fabrics in my wardrobe. The others are all going straight to hell.
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schrodingers_cat Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 03:18 PM
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7. What freaks me out so much about this 'End Times' thinking is
that I can see some of the lesser sane folks using it as a rationale for doing things that they may otherwise restrain themselves from, such as harming people that they believe are 'evil' or the 'devil's work'. We already see it with this administration, what with its 'crusade' and all.......
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #7
21. I guess if you're washed in the blood of Christ you're allowed to
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 07:32 PM by kitkat65
turn a blind eye to murder, genocide and torture as well as despise your fellow man for their perceived weaknesses, all without any impunity from above.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 03:39 PM
Response to Original message
9. I just hope you are sending this as "reply to all" so that everyone on her
"list" gets the message
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ihaveaquestion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 03:53 PM
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10. Here's something to hit her with ...
http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2128">"287 human-made chemicals – most of them hazardous – {found} in the blood of infants"

Ask her what Bush has done for the "unborn" re: pollution! Has he asked his "friends" at the power plants and chemical factories to clean up their act?
See if her head explodes! :nuke:
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:00 PM
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11. Well, I guess this sick puppy proved her own point:
"It's really bad as in end time it says they will call right wrong and wrong right... Guess what .. WE ARE THERE!"

Hmmm...I guess we are there at that!

--Linda
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:01 PM
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12. *sigh* why do they worry more about the very few "bums" and so little
about the vast number of people the programs help?

If she gives you more grief, cut n paste this site to her:
http://www.right-wing-pseudo-christians.com/matthew-25.htm
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:07 PM
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13. She seems really wigged about welfare
I wonder what she thinks of corporate welfare. She seemed annoyed with big government. Is she aware how much the government has grown under Bush? Can she grasp the concept of socialism for corporations? Does she understand deficits?

Just my two cents.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:26 PM
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14. My absolute FAVORITE quote from your "friendly" correspondent
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 04:30 PM by calimary
is: "What policy has the Dem come up with that has helped in any way in the last 20 yrs... Name ONE!!!"

In one of your replies to this poor, close-minded, misguided, judgmental, warped individual could be this utterly sublime think-piece called "A Day in the Life of Joe Republican." It's worth its weight in gold-pressed latinum, and I found it here on DU.

A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN!!!

By John Gray, Cincinnati, Ohio

July - 2004

Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers’ medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It’s noon time, Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.

Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dad’s; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republicans would still be sitting in the dark!)

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show, the host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day.) Joe agrees. We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives. After all, I'm a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.
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Lordy, Lordy, I LOVE that piece! I've sent it around, myself. It's great ammunition. You are to be applauded for your willingness to keep up a dialogue with this poor deluded woman. She laments not having health insurance (WHAT?!?!?!? Her FABULOUS buck-ninety-eight tax cut didn't get her farther at the pharmacy?!??!?!?!). She needs to realize that what she wishes, and all the benefits that liberals/Democrats have won for our society through the years are improvements and reforms that her precious republi-CONS have fought AGAINST, with everything they've got. They're NOT for her. They're NOT on her side. They have NO INTEREST in people like her, whatsoever. And they never will, unless she can write them a nice fat check or deliver them loads of votes in whatever scummy schemes might be possible. Send her "A Day in the Life of Joe Republican," and see what she says.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. I love that one, too, Calimary!
It is SOOO FRIKKIN TRUE!!!

:kick::kick::kick:
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Wow! "A Day in the Life of Joe Republican." GREAT post!
This one deserves a thread of its own.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. It's a STELLAR one, for sure! One more nomination to get to Greatest!
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 05:24 PM by calimary
It's been posted here before. But it's WELL-WORTH bringing up again, and again. I don't remember who here found it on the net, or where they located it. But I made sure to keep a copy. It's served me well so far. Because these assholes forget stuff, even while they eagerly take advantage of all the hard-won benefits and reforms and progress that WE LIBERALS gave to this country.

Hopefully this will be kicked a few more times, and nominated once more, at least. I'd do it myself but I can't vote twice.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. Because She is Christian Link to That Story Here..
http://liberalslikechrist.org/about/liberals.html

The liberal christian thought at that site might rub off on her.
She may be more receptive to truth if it came from a fellow Christian than she would be if it came from a "Librul Democrat".

She has been trained to hate Dem's somehow (she seems to think they are something they are not). She may not be so defensive around other christians.

It's worth a try, she may peruse the sight in search of biblical truths.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:22 PM
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17. a few things to remind her of
1. The bankruptcy bill. When she get saddled with obscene medical bills that she cant repay, she will have no way out. Thanks to the Republicans.

2. A lot of good people WANT TO WORK. However the economy has never recovered and Corporations continue to seek cheap labor OUT OF THE COUNTRY. Remind her of CAFTA and how it is now easier than ever to find CHEAP LABOR closer to the USA. Also remind her that the Bush administration said outsourcing is good for America.

3. One final point that really annoys me with these Freeper types. This country does not follow the law of the Bible. It follows the laws of the CONSTITUTION. If she objects to this, throw Thomas Jeffersons Wall of Seperation letter at her.

Good luck.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 07:24 PM
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20. These people are retarded. They are going to be SOO FUCKING
ANGRY when the End Times don't come. They've been saying this for 2000 years but no End Times. Ignoramouses. This is fun, isn't it? :evilgrin:
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 07:44 PM
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22. If patience is a virtue...
you are a paragon of it.

Her letters are painful to read...even moreso to understand. So fearfull and at the same time ignorant. I guess they go hand in hand after all.

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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:05 PM
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23. You're wasting your time.
This woman isn't interested in learning anything from you--she's a delusional paranoid. If she didn't believe in the end-times boogey man, she'd think black helicopters were following her, or be absolutely convinced she'd been abducted by aliens. The technical term for her condition is "whacko." The last thing such people are interested in is listening to reason.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:32 PM
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24. I went to college with people like her.
I hate to say it, but you're wasting your time trying to debate her. I really hope you've planted a seed, but something tells me it's rocky, barren ground.

She has to have enemies. She has to be right. She has to have total confidence in her church and her pastor. She cannot handle doubt of any kind because that'll make her start to doubt everything, which she can't deal with for whatever reason. I have seen people come out of this state but not many.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:41 PM
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25. We need less God fearing women
and more God loving women
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #25
29. God loves me
and I love Him back.

:hi: Fern!

And God does love me - although He works me to health. LOL!

I'm naturally lazy, so God makes sure I can't be. :7
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:59 PM
Response to Original message
26. Here's a link to
to Richard Dawkins, and a refutation of 'religion'.
http://www.fortunecity.com/emachines/e11/86/dawkins2.html
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iwillalwayswonderwhy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:41 PM
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27. Why can't they ever spell 'loser'?
Or is looser some kind of code?
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tmorelli415 Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 12:02 AM
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28. You may find some useful info at this web site...
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