I'm not donating to the DNC/DLC/DCCC anymore :(

[Catchawave]

I'm just doing direct contributions to the candidates now.

Ugh, my ebox is full of *donate here* buttons, which is not leading to direct contributions to our possible dem candidates in '06 and '08.

Am I the only one thinking our Dem-leaders are fundraising ho's for the DNC/DLC/DCCC ?

Yeah, I tried that *donate here* button in 2000 and 2004, only to see my money get flushed down the party toilet.....AND with a gazillion dollar surplus in the Kerry Campaign :grr:

Most recently, I donated to Hackett of Ohio. I hope he wins, even if I can't vote for him, and the donor website asked for a tip :shrug:

I'm just really confused about this donor thing.....I do know that I have no chance in hell of ever becoming a playa in DemLand, damn my conscious anyhow.

[5X]

1. I just told the DNC I wouldn't be donating either,

cause of the sellouts over cafta and the energy bill.

[H5N1]

3. Same here

[madfloridian]

2. DNC has hired people in 25 states already...from the ground up.

Do whatever you want to do. Dean and the DNC are asking 20 a month to rebuild the party with the people paying for it...getting it out of the hands of corporations.

I thought that is what people wanted, but go figure. :shrug:

Here is part of a letter I got from the DNC today:

"I am happy to report to you that, as of this morning, we are halfway through rolling out the 50-state strategy that you mandated. We've hired organizers and moved resources into 25 states. And thanks to your commitment -- including record fundraising from ordinary Americans -- the plan is ahead of schedule.

I can't overstate how revolutionary this change is for our party. We've put people and resources on the ground in half the states -- and before the end of the year we will have moved into every single one.

Regional organizers are the core of this program. Nearly ninety have been recruited so far, and more come on every day. These are local people being hired to work in their own states -- they know the terrain, and they are committed to our party's success.

That commitment is what I want to talk to you about. This is a huge new financial commitment for our party. You kick-started it by raising the money to get the first few states off the ground, but we're not going to be able to meet our commitments in one-off fundraising drives. We're only going to be able to do this by finding people who will make a commitment and stick to it.

The beauty is, it only takes a small commitment from any one of us. Republicans raise $10 million every month in huge checks from corporate interests. But if a million working people give just $20 a month, we can out-raise them and reshape the political landscape. The Democracy Bonds program is about building a community of people who have made that commitment -- make yours now:

http://www.democrats.org/democracybonds

[H5N1]

4. From now on my money goes only to candidates who support me

I don't mind paying the money, but I want to SEE the candidates
working on my behalf.
DLC needs to clean house BEFORE I give them another cent.

[mattclearing]

15. You donated to the DLC?

Sure that's not a typo?

[Catchawave]

6. It's about the money?

I'm on their e-list too, and if I had a nickel for everytime they asked for it, I'd be a rich woman! Staffing offices doesn't mean my nickel's being spent wisely either :shrug: But that's my personal opinion, I could be wrong.

[madfloridian]

16. If you think Dean is "staffing offices" then read this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1967975

[thoughtanarchist]

5. Kerry Continues to Donate Money

July 28, 2005


Kerry Continues to Donate Money

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), who may run again for president in 2008, "has donated more than $3 million to Democratic groups since his November defeat, while raising $700,000 for a new Leadership PAC that has given to more than 50 party candidates," the Wall Street Journal's Washington Wire reports.

http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB112259058252699239,00.html?mod=politics%5Fabove%5Fad%5Fhs

(subscription required)


I thought we were done bashing my honorable senator but I think more folks need to see this.

[Catchawave]

8. I admire Kerry.....

BUT....no effects felt here in Virginia, cha-ching-less, we are!

To bring you guys up to speed, how do we stop the Swiftie-type orgs going after our Va Dem Gov candidate for the race THIS NOVEMBER ?

Oh, and no one wants Kerry coming down here to endorse Kaine either, too risky in a Red Chickenhawk state who still has W bumper stickers along side of "your mother was pro-life".



http://www.kaine2005.org/

[thoughtanarchist]

13. No doubt the "Massachusetts elitist"...

stigma will dissipate when Mitt the Shit Romney (R) kicks off his '08 campaign.

Their "swifting" Paul Hackett as well.

No wonder we're all getting bombarded with tele-begging and e-begging from the dccc/DNC/etc . The Pug money is already working to trash good dems.

[Catchawave]

27. I'm married to a Masshole elitest too.....

..and why we don't live in taxachusettes <snork>...but the grass isn't always greener in Virginia either.

Guess I'm just begging DUers now to hold on to their money, for now. I much rather send 10 bucks to someone like Hackett in Ohio, than A PARTY !?! Err, that's not speaking for me these days :rofl: Guess that's why I'm here in the UNDERGROUND :loveya:

[Carolab]

7. The DNC/Dean is on OUR side: GRASSROOTS

Dean needs our support in order to push back against the DLC/DCCC/Blue Dogs/CBC sellouts and to establish the 50-state strategy.

[Totally Committed]

9. Until/unless the DNC changes the front-loaded primary schedule,

Clinton is the nominee. Guaranteed. No one else will stand a chance.

They stopped getting my $ a long time ago.

[Carolab]

10. I don't think that's true.

It's just too soon to say that.

[Catchawave]

12. Guess we still have to vote with our grassroot dollars....

...by not supporting the Big Box Dems ?

If Hil's the candidate, I'll vote Republican, which will save me time, trouble and money in '08. :sarcasm:

Though I think she'd be a kick ass Secretary of State!

[election_2004]

17. Well, then with that attitude...

Why don't we just pack up and go home right now?

"Hillary's in like Flynn?" and there's nothing we can do to change that? Well then...I say BYE-BYE to the DLC/DNC...they will get absolutely NONE of my time nor support.

Because with Hillary headlining top of the Democratic ticket and/or in the White House, you can expect heavy Democratic U.S. Senate losses and U.S. House losses down the rest of the 2008 ballot in Middle America...and even heavier losses when the 2010 midterms come rolling around.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

20. That's complete bullshit.

McCain, Dean, and Elizabeth Dole all would have been general election nominees with that attitude. Predictions right now aren't worth a damn thing, and you know it.

[Totally Committed]

24. The beauty of my opinion is this:

It's just my opinion. Agree with it. Don't agree with it.

If it has made you think for even 30 seconds about how unfair the Hillary Juggernaut in the media and from the Right is at the moment, and how much worse it will be when the sheeple are convinced she's "the one" because of all this hullaballoo, then great. That's what happened last time. And the front-loaded primary schedule made sure that Kerry was the presumptive nominee before the first Super Tuesday. It was (pardon the expression) a tsunami of monkey-see, monkey do, with no time for any of the other candidates to possibly rally or for the sheeple voters to take a breath. Wham-bam, thank you maam.

You want a repeat of that, fine. That's what's starting now. It's just my opinion, though, and you know what they say about opinions: They are like assholes. Everyone has one, and all but yours stink.

[flpoljunkie]

11. Hackett is now on track to raising $350,000- perhaps by day's end!

It would be sweet indeed were he to win the election on Tuesday, as the Rethugs are pulling out all the dirty tricks they can to try and stop his momentum.

Let's hope all their smear tactics are in vain this time!

[whitehousemoron]

14. donating to a political party

Is just a big fat old waste of time. They will gladly take you money, then just as quickly ignore you. Both parties are only interested in donars who give 6 figure salaries. Don't believe me?? Tell me the last time either John Kerry or George Bush even acknowledged a ten dollar contribution from the public, and actually said thank you!!! It just doesn't happen

[mattclearing]

19. They ignore at their own peril.

And a large group of small donors is real political power, not just a fat check from a guy with one vote.

Even so, John Kerry sends his donors tons of email about what he is up to.

Saying that just because he doesn't personally thank every small donor on an individual basis, that somehow he doesn't appreciate the effort is logically bankrupt and cynical to the extreme.

[flpoljunkie]

21. Why reward the party that enabled the R's to vote vs your best interests?

[noamnety]

28. Kerry thanked people during the campaign

I didn't talk to him personally, but I saw him speak several times, and he did thank people for their support. I did have a chance to shake both John and Elizabeth's hand and they both made a point of thanking people directly.

Not that it's the reason I contributed, I didn't do it so they would acknowledge me personally. It's not like I was expecting them to show up at my door with chocolates to show their appreciation.

[mattclearing]

18. I started donating to the DNC again today.

I switched my monthly contribution to Dean in the primaries, and promised myself I would start contributing again if Dean won the chairmanship. The democracy bond drive email reminded me to do so.

Dean's efforts at the DNC are worth supporting, whatever a few Democrats do.

[NMDemDist2]

29. I've just talked hubby into a monthly donation to the DNC too n/t

[bunny planet]

22. I would agree Catch, except for the DNC. I really believe Dean will whip

that organization into shape. Give him a chance. As far as the DLC, I've never donated to them.

I also donated to Hackett in Ohio. I sure hope he wins. I think Dr. Dean is doing the job of finding progressive Dems to run at the grass roots level and supporting them.

[xxqqqzme]

23. every time I got another' I want some money'

e-mail from the DNC last year, I gave 2 the Dem running 4 the congressional seat. There was a mountain of money that moved FROM California TO DNC and we got NOTHING in return. California was Kerry's ATM last year - NO MORE. I will give money 2 Howard cuz he promised 2 help that congressional candidate, who is runnung again. That's help w/ no strings attached - as in 'OK, U raise $100,000 locally and then maybe we'll pay attention 2 your campaign.' F*ck 'em

[flpoljunkie]

26. You can donate to anyone via actblue.com or directly on candidates sites,

like bernie.org, Bernie Sanders website. Act Blue bundles contributions and send checks directly to the candidates.

Hackett directs folks to Act Blue to donate to his campaign.

[Skinner]

25. The DLC is not part of the DNC.

It's totally separate.

And what, exactly, is wrong with Democratic Leaders raising money for the DNC and the DCCC? That's their party, isn't it?

I happen to think that Dean is doing a pretty damn good job at the DNC. I am proud to give them my money, and I think other Democrats should do the same.

[Hekate]

30. I told 'em the same thing yesterday

I was too busy to talk to the phone-bank caller for long, so I'm not sure which branch of the national party was dialling me for dollars. I simply told the guy to take me off his list because I donate to specific candidates (always have) and never to national, except for the donation I made in Howard Dean's name.

It's pretty much always been my policy, but now more than ever.

The only thing that gives me any hope at all for the national party is Howard Dean, who they keep trying to shut up. Everything I read or hear in the news continues to indicate that the Democratic Party keeps wishing the "energized base" would just go away and let them continue politics as usual. :argh:

Give 'em hell, Howard. Please.

Hekate

[ChiciB1]

31. This May Be My Last Allowable Post...

but you have my sympathy, and I feel very much the same.

[eridani]

32. DNC is currently committed to building the grassroots

As long as it stays that way, I'll continue to donate. The House and Senate Campaign committees? Nope. I'm sending money to individual candidates who represent my views.

[Rainscents]

33. What Dean (DNC) is doing will take time to rebuild the party...

You can't expect over night results... Look, it took Republicans 30 years to get to where they are today. Please, be patient, Democratic party will turn around and I have very good feeling Dean will do this. Mean while, Dean needs our support and we must help to an-chive this goal! I feel same pain as many of you feel, however, I will NOT give up now! This is my country and I love my country and I will take my country back someday soon! But, I need all of your support to do this... Please help Dean to take our country back!!!

[1932]

34. What individual donates to the DLC? Isn't all their money from PACs???

I'm with you, with one modification. I'll give to candidates and to PACs run by an individual/candidate.

If I feel I can trust the person running the PAC, expecially if it's one very accountable person, I don't have a problem giving to the PAC.

[LittleClarkie]

35. Whatever

a gazillion my ass.

But whatever. Believe what you want, even if it's wrong. Believe the spin. Enjoy the koolade. But of couse you realize that Gore too had 8 million (converted to whatever a bazillion is in your world) at the end. Wasn't enough to recount Florida. So Kerry had about 15 million in leftovers, but didn't end up having to recount shit. Such is life when you're not clarvoyant.

I imagine a certain amount left over is normal. And some of us gave to Kerry, and don't begrudge him actually using it for whatever, like DCCC candidates. I gave to Kerry, not ABB. I guess that's the difference. You donated. It's his. Get over it unless you think he's blinging on it or something.

As for the party, I'm here. I just got here. I'm not going anywhere. I give when I can, which isn't often. The rest of the time, I just say no. No biggy. Just say no. But I will give my time.

But if you are going to complain about grassroots donation grubbing, then I suggest you don't go complaining about corporate money either.

Either the money is coming from the grassroots, or it's coming from the corporations. Pick one people, pick one.

[snowbear]

36. Awesome post L-Clarkie..

~~You rock~~ (( :hug: ))

[bvar22]

37. If you can't conscientiously send donations to the National Party,

send them to the Democrats that still work for you.
You can find them here:
http://www.pdamerica.org/

I withheld my contributions to the DNC until DEAN won the chair. I now send money to the DNC, but each check is marked with Howard Dean's name on the NOTE line. I used to print out a hardcopy of PDA's front page and enclose it in the envelope.