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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:44 AM
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The insanity of Michael Ledeen
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michael/ledeen.archives.asp

Michael Ledeen, not well-known to the public, is still one of the most influential and inflammatory figures in this neocon administration (going all the way back to the Iran-Contra scandal). Rumours amount that he had a hand in the Niger yellowcake forgeries. Regardless, as far as I'm concerned, he's the number one neocon out there. You have to check out his articles to get into his head and possibly why he thinks the way he does. An unabashed admirer of Machievelli!

Here are a few "gems"

"President Bush's original instincts were right: We are at war with a series of terrorist groups, supported by a group of nations, and it makes no sense to distinguish between them. We're fighting fiercely against the terror groups, and we're killing and defeating lots of them. But we're not nearly as vigorous as we should be in speeding up the fall of the mullahs, the Assads, and a Saudi royal family that has played the leading role in spreading the doctrines that inspire the terrorists.

Can we move a bit faster, please?"

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"Evil cannot be "fixed" by some social program or suitably energetic public-affairs strategy, or by "reaching out" to our misguided comrades. It must be dominated.

Otherwise it will dominate us. "

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"We dawdle at our peril, and yet we dawdle.

To continue to say "faster, please" is like spitting into the wind. We're back at September 10, waiting for our enemies to rouse us from our contented torpor."



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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:00 AM
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1. I think I almost agree with this statement
"Evil cannot be "fixed" by some social program or suitably energetic public-affairs strategy, or by "reaching out" to our misguided comrades. It must be dominated.

Otherwise it will dominate us. "

It is indeed dominating us in the form of the GOP.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:22 AM
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2. He advocates "cauldronizing" of the Middle East!
From the wikipedia article on Ledeen:

"He fears that if we attack Iraq "I think we could have an explosion in the Middle East. It could turn the whole region into a caldron and destroy the War on Terror." One can only hope that we turn the region into a cauldron, and faster, please. If ever there were a region that richly deserved being cauldronized, it is the Middle East today. If we wage the war effectively, we will bring down the terror regimes in Iraq, Iran, and Syria, and either bring down the Saudi monarchy or force it to abandon its global assembly line to indoctrinate young terrorists. That's our mission in the war against terror.2"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ledeen

Note: I see from the same article that Ledeen and Russ Feingold were both mentorees of the same History professor, George Mosse. :o
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:51 AM
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3. Has this evil clown got any relatives serving in the Middle East? Somehow
I think not.

He's such a fan of war and death, he needs to be rounded up and sent over there with a sign on him saying WARMONGER AND MEMBER OF THE PNAC.

Let his sorry ass loose just outside the green zone. See how he likes it. And how long he survives.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:32 PM
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5. he's not in PNAC, he's in the AEI
And the AEI is tremendously more insidious than PNAC (one could argue that PNAC is a front for the AEI, even).
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:50 PM
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8. They aren't connected? They don't have the same agenda? They
aren't all inbred?

Does he have relatives in Iraq? NO.

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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 02:31 PM
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9. the AEI is bigger, and has plants on both sides of the aisles
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:58 AM
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4. his extremism will lead to the collapse of the neo-cons
look at this madness and note that this guy was pushing bush to attack Syria, Iran and Lebanon ... he's a real sicko with an "anything goes" morality ...

source: http://www.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen200503170753...


"If you are victorious," Machiavelli says in his uncompromising way, "people will always judge the means you used to have been appropriate."

Syria and Iran are tottering, and if they fall, the terror network will break into relatively impotent shards that we will be able to destroy. Forget about diplomacy, this is war. Every day we hear about plans to attack the United States directly, and every day more Americans die in Iraq. Is it not too clever by half to resort to cunning diplomacy at such a time? Is it not immoral to leave American fighting men and women in harm’s way an hour longer than is absolutely necessary?

The fires of freedom are burning all over Iran, Syria, and Lebanon. Don't stand back and admire the flames. Push the dictators in, and then cheer as free societies emerge.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:33 PM
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6. soft-pedaled, he's got far more damning quotes
Edited on Sat Jul-30-05 02:32 PM by wli
He's written things about "entering into evil" as well as an entire pro-fascism book called "Universal Fascism."

ON EDIT: Search for "Universal Fascism" in amazon.com's book section. It's there.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:42 PM
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7. Kick!
:kick:
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