"It's time....for them....to go."

[kentuck]

Remember when Al Gore said that in 1992? And it connected with the American people, in my opinion. Would it connect again? If the Democrats told the people that it's "time for them to go", would that register with any voters? If they expanded on the subject and explained to the people in first-grade basic language, that we were lied to and our troops have died, they spent all of our surplus and have put us farther into deficit than any Administration in history, and they have taken away many of our freedoms, and it is "time for them to go"? Could we make it any more simple?

[NativeTexan]

1. 49% of Americans said that in November

Unfortunately, Karl Rove and his new-wave "rat-fuckers" stole more than
2% of the votes in key areas and extended their coup for another 4 years.

[wli]

7. eh? more like 55%+

Conveniently adjusted by Diebold, of course.

[KaryninMiami]

2. ok- so where is Al Gore now? Where are the voices we need to get them out?

Why is there only a small group of Democrats, lead by Congressman Conyers, speaking out- shouting out- what we know is true? Why aren't they calling press conferences to clearly demonstrate the facts to America- one by one, in simple, easy to understand terminology? Why isn't Al Gore jumping in here now- what does he have to loose? Why does it feel like the "blue team" are completely spineless and are cowering in fear? It's not like they don't know what's going on here. Leaking a CIA Operative is TREASON. Deceiving the congress and the country in order to go to war is a punashable offence. Torturing inmates defying the Geneva Convention is illegal in all aspects. RIGGING TWO PRESIDENTAL ELECTIONS is not a "little deal". Where are they? Why are they not representing the people and educating the rest on the truth?

[sandnsea]

6. They are

Here
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050728/pl_nm/trade_cafta_politics_dc_1

Here
http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1301

Here
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usnw/20050731/pl_usnw/democratic_minority_leader_sen__harry_reid_blasts_bush_admin__inbuzzflash_com_interview___this_administration_is_drunk_with_pow

Not to mention Democrats who are pouring in to help Paul Hackett's campaign, like Max Cleland and John Glenn, who used John Kerry's email list to raise money.

Maybe if some Democrats spent more time helping spread the word instead of bitching, more people would hear the message.

[Jade Fox]

3. Yes it would...

if the Democrats could just get over the belief that trying to please all the
people all the time will somehow work.

The Dems need to accept that a fairly large chunck of people will NEVER
vote for them because they have absorbed years of idiot-indoctrination
from the nut-wing Right and are now immune to all logic, and hope that
by taking powerful stands and telling the truth enough sane Americans
will deliver them the votes.

The alternative is losing again.

[Trevelyan]

4. Hasn't anyone read about Sensenbrenner and 6 other neoCONS

officially putting a bill in Congress to repeal the 22nd Amendment which states that no president shall serve more than 2 terms.

Unless Cheney and his PNAC blow us all up in WWIII that he is itching to start by bombing Iran in unprovoked attack - even they Airforce at STRATCOM is nervous and this is being reported in conservative magazines. The Vice President has no war powers but when did this insane Regime ever follow the law?

By "Just GO!!" Air Marshalls, Pentagon Flag Officers or SOMEONE needs to arrest both Bush and Cheney and soon!

By posting Impeachment hopes and signing petitions, it may give those in the Oligarchy including Bilderberg, CIA, FBI and Pentagon who are said to be in Civil War Mode over the insane PNAC plan which is failing so spectacularly in Iraq and maybe they don't want to die or have their families die in a nuclear holocaust and even the ones who would be invited to the underground city bunkers might not like to spend the rest of their lives underground like a mole without ever seeing the ocean or fields until the radioactivity and nuclear winter wears off and there is always the chance that all out nuclear war might throw the earth off its axis.

Read The Book of Revelations, last book in the Bible and the events before the beginning of real peace in the Heavenly Jerusalem.

Til then we have to fight this and the only way I know is to let the Oligarchy know by posting your objections to this PNAC Regime's suicidal plans and signing petitions.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
URGENT ALERT ON BEHALF OF BOLIVARIAN VENEZUELA!
Demand U.S. Hands Off Venezuela!

~~http://www.iacenter.org/venezcampaign.shtml~~~~http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=85178~~~~~

~~
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/impeachment/petition2.htm - to sign

I want my representative in the U.S. House of Representatives to vote to impeach President Bush for the high crimes described in the case for impeachment made by Veterans For Peace, and have the case prosecuted and tried in the U.S. Senate. Signatures on this petition will be delivered to the Chair of the House Judiciary Committee and to the ranking Democrat on the Committee. ~~ {THAT'S REP. CONYERS}
~~~~~~~~

News on Veterans for Common Sense today:


The Iran War Buildup

There is no evidence that President Bush has already made the decision to attack Iran if Tehran proceeds with uranium-enrichment activities viewed in Washington as precursors to the manufacture of nuclear munitions. Top Administration officials are known to have argued in favor of military action if Tehran goes ahead with these plans--a step considered more likely with the recent election of arch-conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Iran's president--but Bush, so far as is known, has not yet made up his mind in the matter. One thing does appear certain, however: Bush has given the Defense Department approval to develop scenarios for such an attack and to undertake various preliminary actions. As was the case in 2002 regarding Iraq, the building blocks for an attack in Iran are beginning to be put into place. (more)

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/iraqis_tortured/

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/impeachment/violations_documented.pdf

- 6pages quick loading - grounds to impeach.

~~~~~~~~~~
Oldie but a goodie...

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060804_coup_detat.html

The Real Reason Tenet and Pavitt Resigned from the CIA on June 3rd and 4th
COUP D'ETAT:
Bush, Cheney Indictments in Plame Case Looming

by
Michael C. Ruppert

additional reporting by
Wayne Madsen from Washington

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sat Jul 23rd, 2005 at 04:16:39 PDT

"U.S." Special Forces already in Iran......The National Draft Looms!!!
American Free Press , www.americanfreepress.net

Members of the U.S. Delta Force, have undertaken Reconaissance missions into Iran, amilitary expert has told the American Free Press. British Prime minister Tony Blair has cast a veil of secrecy over the fact that he also has had Britian's elite Special Air Services-Sas- Have undertaken the Missions along with American Special Forces. The recent Mission in Iran was also discovered by Seymour Hersh, the editor of The New Yorker. The recent Mission inside Iran were carried out following request from the Pentagon and the "Project For The New American Century" (PNAC) Neo-conservative's that drafted the current foreign policy.

In addition in a matter of a couple of weeks, Rep Charles Rangle (D-NY) plans to try and re-institute the draft legislation Back into the House American Free Press has learned.
Sometime soon Rep. Rangel is pre-paring to reintroduce legislation to re-institute the military draft since he strongly feels everyone should share the burden of this Unconstitutional, Undeclared War.

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?Page=Article&ID=2749

So the United States, backed by Israel, is deadly earnest about neutralizing Iran's nuclear weapons site. "The administration has determined that there is no diplomatic solution," said John Pike, president of the online think-tank globalsecurity.org.

"Like the Israelis, the Bush administration has decided that forces of sweetness and light won't be running Iran any time soon, and that having atomic ayatollahs is simply not acceptable."

Said Cannistraro of the administration's policy: "Its very, very, very dangerous.
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"No War In Iran Petition

To: United Nations General Assembly

We, the undersigned, urge you, the members and officers of the United Nations General Assembly, to pass a resolution against and to use all of your diplomatic and political powers to prevent an attack on the sovereign nation of Iran by the United States of America and/or her allies.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

http://www.petitiononline.com/NWinIran/petition.html
:scared:

[wli]

8. URL's on repeal of 22nd amendment?

I've not seen this much.

[Trevelyan]

9. I don't have a URL but go to the Senate site and look up new proposals for

Amendments. Since one of the sponsors is the Republican House Judiciary Chairman Sensenbrenner, I'm sure it is on Sensenbrenner's site. Here is another one and it is one "Senator" Graham's website!!!

The NYT has been caught
distorting the news AGAIN!!

I went to Graham's site after reading the whole article to thank him for his stance against

torture. The following is on his site:

Senator Graham Press Release
Contact: Wes Hickman (202-224-5972) or Kevin Bishop (864-250-1417)
Date: 07/25/2005
Graham Set to Offer Amendment Strengthening Presidential Role in Detaining Enemy Combatants

WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) is scheduled to offer an amendment to the defense authorization bill strengthening the legal hand of the Bush Administration and future Administrations to hold enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba (Gitmo).

“It is imperative we have procedures in place at Gitmo that will keep terrorists off the battlefield as long as necessary to protect our nation,” said Graham, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. “My amendment seeks to achieve that goal.”

“Without congressional authority we run a real risk a federal court will either take over or impede our efforts at Gitmo,” said Graham “We are winning in some courts and losing in others. It is now time to strengthen Gitmo so it can meet our national defense needs.”
Graham noted that by Congress acting through statute, the likelihood of keeping properly designated enemy combatants off the battlefield for an undetermined amount of time is enhanced and will strengthen Gitmo’s legal position in federal court.

“The president has established procedures to determine who is an enemy combatant and to annually review their status,” said Graham. “It’s now time for Congress to sign-off on these procedures and turn them into a statute, a move the courts will give great deference to.”

The major provisions of the Graham amendment include:

The Combatant Status Review Tribunal (CSRT), established by the president, would become statutory law. The tribunal determines the status of whether a detainee is an unlawful enemy combatant.

The Annual Review Board (ARB), also established by the president, would become statutory law. The ARB reviews the combatant’s status on an annual basis to determine if the individual is an enemy combatant, still holds intelligence value and/or, still presents a threat to the United States. Graham modifies current procedure by allowing an enemy
combatant to have a military lawyer present when appearing before the ARB. They currently have a military representative present. (SURE THEY DO!!)

The president is also given flexibility to update CSRT and ARB procedures by giving Congress 30 days notice. “My goal is to legitimize the actions our nation is taking at Gitmo and keep enemy
combatants off the battlefield as long as possible,” said Graham. “Congress can and needs to act to legitimize the long-term detention of enemy combatants at Gitmo. The War on

Terror will go on long after this Administration and we need to have congressional buy-in Into this matter.”

“By getting Congress to put some of these things into law, it will strengthen the Commander in Chief’s hand in the War on Terror,” said Graham. “We can also clear up any legal confusion that currently exists and can show the courts the Executive and Legislative branches have acted together which will tremendously strengthen the legal
position of Gitmo, President Bush, and all future Commanders in Chief.”

~~~~~~~~~~~
My email to Graham:

I strongly oppose your giving Resident Bush more power to detain innocent people at Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere.

The way these people were captured "like someone catches and sells a fish" and the fact that Cheney was negotiating with Halliburton Brown and Root for these torture chambers in a continuation of the nototrious MK-ULTRA mind-control, sexual torture, human
experimentation is despicable.

I had been writing to thank you for trying to investigate the Nazi-type War Crimes torture of detainees of the Bush Regime outlined in the New York Times.

...

The whole Bush Regime should be in the Hague not being given more power to torture and murder innocents.

By the way, are you going to try to enforce the court order forcing the Pentagon and Bush to release the 4 videos and photos of 7 year olds being gang raped by US Soldiers at Guantanamo Bay and the sodomizing of children in front of their mothers and the women
and men who were raped.

The president does not have the power to defy a court order but a dictator would.

Your amendment proposing to give the Bush Regime even more power after they have tortured, mutilated, raped and murdered so many innocent people including our own troops is despicable

[wli]

10. well, if they do it, Dubya will have to run against Bubba

I doubt there's a Republican alive who could get even 10% of the vote against Bill Clinton.

[Old_Fart]

5. We need to stick together and come up with a plan

They all need to go along with 15 democrats that keep voting along with the rest of the wingers.