Shia systematically slaughtering Sunnis

[welshTerrier2]

700 a month ... the regularly given justification to try to defend current US policy in Iraq is that the US is "training the Iraqis" to handle their own security ... most elected Democrats have supported this foolishness ...

earlier today someone posted a link to an incredible article, based on a CIA leak, that discussed Cheney's plans to use nuclear weapons against Iran ... the link referenced an article on the American Conservative magazine's home page ... but tucked away, way down at the bottom of the page, was this little gem:

source: http://www.amconmag.com/2005_08_01/article3.html

There is increasing evidence that the Iraqi police forces, now under Shi’ite control, are carrying out systematic revenge killings against Sunnis in Baghdad. The bodies now showing up at the morgue have obvious signs of handcuffing and blindfolding and evidence of being tortured before death. U.S. sources indicate that the suspicious killings have reached the rate of almost 700 per month. The police are supervised by the Shi’ite-run Ministry of Interior, which claims that the killings are being carried out by insurgents wearing stolen police uniforms. But American intelligence sources disagree, noting that many of the killers appear to be actual policemen carrying the expensive standard-issue Glock automatics and driving official Toyota Land Cruisers.

maybe Democrats should be hoping we haven't trained too many Iraqis ... all we're doing is making them a more deadly force ... when will Democrats call for withdrawal from this never-ending nightmare ???

[whistle]

1. Now are Sh-ia bad guys and Sunnis good guys or is it the other...

...way around? Can John Negroponte shed any light on why this violence in Iraq continues?

[xxqqqzme]

2. just what I was wondering

sounds like ole john was there just long enough 2 leave his signature ops corps in place.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. check out Iraqi history

under Saddam, Sunnis, a minority in the country, ruled with an iron hand. Kurds and Shia were brutalized. That some, either in or outside the government, wants revenge is no surprise.

[welshTerrier2]

5. no surprise at all ...

what is a surprise is that so many elected Democrats believe continued occupation can reverse thousands of years of the history you referred to ...

[tocqueville]

4. it shows that the "iraquisation" is doomed to fail

Iraquis can have a strong national feeling when it came to oppose an enemy like the Iranians (threatening all parts), but in reality the allegiances don't go the "nation" constructed artificially by the British in the 20s.

Their primary allegiance is ethnic (even tribal) and religious. So an Iraqui Army is impossible becaus e the hatred between teh different factions is too big :

the Sunnis have lost everything
the Kurds want independence
the Shhites want to get even an reseize a power they have been denied during 60 years...

The future of Iraq is a probably the emergence of 3 new nations.

theis will be settled in a civil war, with or without American presence

[Son of California]

6. One more sign

that nothing can go right when you invade a country with such a complicated past and resuppose that you will know how to sew it back together. -Even if we had done everything right, there would still be this bitter emnity between these two factions.
This whole war has been one long, painful miscarraige.

[Disturbed]

7. bad guys and good guys

There are none.

The Bush Regime has opened up the floodgates of violent power clash. The U.S. Troops are in the middle of it and the death toll and maiming will continue.

[xchrom]

8. there is no way this won't become a generations

long civil war.

[Donna Zen]

9. Economics trumps the common good:

Sunnis were much more united, and much more committed to a socialist form of government. Since the bush administration is hell-bent on robbing this country, the Sunnis were their natural enemies.

The US aligned itself with the Shia, mostly because Sistani is the most powerful person in Iraq. Thus, we empowered the Shia.

Scott Ritter said an interesting thing in an interview on AAR. He said that while we think of the Shia as a monolithic block, they are actually extremely fractured. That is why the Sunnis have held power for so long.

As soon as we destabilized Iraq, we were on the periphery of a civil war. This is a region that did not experience the age of Enlightenment, and thus, resent many ideas that we take for granted regarding "freedom." There are moderate Arabs who were moving in the direction of reform, but who now are halted because of this invasion because they will be distrusted as moving toward the West.

This is the greatest geopolitical blunder that this country has ever made.

[lumpy]

10. Thanks for the post.

It is easier to understand why there will not be unification between religious factions in Iraq. Fundies vs. the more secular factions.

[Mass]

11. The American Conservative

Pat Buchanan's newspaper is not my source for reliable info in Islamic countries.

So, I could imagine this true with other, reliable sources. Are there any?

[welshTerrier2]

12. fair enough ...

i have no idea if the reports are true ...

the first story on that page, if true, is frightening though ... it alleges that Cheney has a plan to use nuclear weapons to attack Iran if the US is hit with another terrorist attack EVEN IF IRAN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT ...

the information was supposedly leaked by a CIA agent ... is it true? who knows ... it sure would be nice to know the MSM is actively looking into it though ... i'm not sure we can count much on that happening ...

[Mass]

13. I would not count on the MSM investigating this, unfortunately,

which makes the report even more frightening.

[Donna Zen]

20. Two things that are true:

The congress has recently appropriated money to be used to develope smaller nukes.

The mentor of PNAC, Albert Wolstetter, did propose the idea of limited nuclear warfare.



"Rethinking the Unthinkable" is a pdf file, although it is available as html. Basically, Wolhstetter believed that it would come to a nuclear war, and the task was to design a strategic system to win it.

[seabeyond]

14. fits with what a blogger who was arrested said.....

http://secretsinbaghdad.blogspot.com/2005/07/i-found-myself.html

i really suggest all read this. i think it is so full of information. to see what is up in iraq. it is a long read. but the writer is good

[Disturbed]

16. Iran Iraq Alliances.

Iran is Shia and now so is the dominant force in Iraq. Iran will help Shi'ites kill Sunnis. When enough Sunnis are killed the Shi'ites will force the U.S. and it's allies out.

[welshTerrier2]

18. thanks ... remarkable !!!

i read that guy's story ... i wish every American cared enough to do the same ...

[earthboundmisfit]

15. I remember Wes Clark predicting exactly what we are seeing now.

Can't remember whether it was before or after the election - though I'm thinking this had to be over a year ago. I'll try to dig it up. Clark literally spelled out EXACTLY what is & has been happening in the Iraq debacle.

[rfkrfk]

17. some people made a poor choice

That would be, choosing the losing
side in a war in a third world country.

this type of violence tends to decline, with time.

[welshTerrier2]

19. you sound pretty matter-of-fact about it ...

i guess we shouldn't be concerned about the civil war that's breaking out in Iraq since "this type of violence tends to decline, with time." ...

i'm sure the 700 a month who are being slaughtered will be very comforted to know that ...

[rfkrfk]

21. I wouldn't call this civil war,,,,,,yet

IMO, Iraq is still in the 'gangster' phase.

For 'civil war / Iraq breakup' not to happen,
several hurdles must be cleared.

reduction in violence
constitution
people{Shiites, Kurds} seeing the Federal Parliment as somewhat legit
etc

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kinda sad that Arab culture seems to have
no place for a Nelson Mandela kind of person