Kerry NOT in 08 what do you think??

[Imagevision]

YES?NO?

[davidinalameda]

1. not

[tk2kewl]

2. yes.. kerry not in '08

[Mass]

3. yes kerry in 08

If you insist. But what about 06.

[WI_DEM]

4. I thought that my poll asked that very question

Kerry in '08
yes
no
maybe

Some people get the idea that the poll is a pro-Kerry poll when it's just a poll to gauge opinion on DU--and as it indicates most people do say NO.

[blm]

6. Heh...a DUPLICATE post....the mods can handle it.

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[Imagevision]

11. to ensure that people clearly understand the question.

also, while I'm at it, Kerry told me everyone's vote would be counted -- we now know that this wasn't the case and Mr. Kerry did basically nothing to assist John Conyers at his attempts to get a legit recount of Ohio. John Kerry, I love you man, but too little too late, you allowed that dweeb Bush to take your job!!

[Mass]

21. You forgot to blast Kerry in your poll

Some are just slow to understand a question when people do not bash.

[LittleClarkie]

37. So this is redundant

all we have to do is look at your poll, and switch the results.

This isn't about gauging opinion, though.

It's about shouting "Kerry NO!"

Yeah, we needed another "Oh, and by the way, for no other reason except I feel like saying it again, I don't want Kerry." Alrighty then. Same time tomorrow?

My answer of course is "NO! I want Kerry in 08" but we all know that.

[LiberalUprising]

5. Hell NO!

[elehhhhna]

7. Not in 0-8, not on a plate, not with a spoon, and not in June

I do not like HIM
anymore.
Methinks he is a Dino bore.

[Robeson]

18. ROFLMAO!!...

...:spray: Good one! :rofl: :rofl:

[MoonRiver]

30. LOL!

One fish two fish red fish blue fish. Just don't put Kerry back on my dish.

[mitchtv]

8. No, He lied, he said he knew how to fight

didn't, ended up with 15 million dollars, he reiterated his support for the war. He's alright , buthe should have used the"L"word LIAR. I"d prefer Gore. JK was too concerned about looking like a gentleman.

[Botany]

9. No he is too busy with his army of lawyers making every vote is counted

:grr:

[mike_c]

10. kucinich, boxer, waxman, conyers come to mind....

Not Kerry.

[libertypirate]

12. How about make it a requirement that the president can't be apart

of one of those secret (fuck you in the ass so you won't tell anyone) societies?

Oh and who ever is the next president should fire every Commissioned Officer in the Military.

Differnt wars, different president, but the same military; who ever runs the military controls the information.

[Vincardog]

13. He had his chance. He refused to fight. NO no no

[blm]

14. Why don't you dare ask people to name the lawmaker who has investigated

and exposed MORE government corruption than any other lawmaker in the last 35 years and whose efforts helped to end three wars?

And then let's see how honest they can be about their reasons why they disrespect Kerry so disproportionately.

[Mass]

15. Dont even bother - they are not listening , lost in their little cloud.

And swallowing the MSM talking points.

[blm]

22. Well the more crap they put on their own plate, the more they eat.

You would think they would spend more time changing what NEEDS to be changed before the next election - The GOP control of the media and the voting machines.

By complaining that it was just Kerry or the platform NEGATES the urgency of repairing the REAL problems. To me that is GOP enabling behavior...and STUPID as the year is long.

[Mass]

24. Not sure they want to repair the problems

It is more easy to whine.

[Imagevision]

33. blm> you're suggesting a Kerry win in 08 with more Diebolds in place?

Kerry was aware of the voting-fraud problems 7-8 months before the election and actaully made the statement; " I belive the Bin Laden video played just days before the election is ehat did me in" that's a direct quote...How do you figure that??

[blm]

38. Catch up to the news - Cam Kerry is running for Sec of State in Mass

and Dean is concentrating on Sec of State positions in every state.

They must KNOW there is something wrong and are planning to examine the machines and those who control them from the position that DEALS with them.

It IS the DNC's job to assure every candidate on the ballot get a fair vote. MacAuliffe didn't do it because he probably really didn't believe it would happen.

Dean probably didn't even believe it at the time. I have a feeling they all do now. I certainly don't believe it's just coincidence about the Sec of State candidacies.

[Imagevision]

32. DEaling with the here and now not past accomplisments -- if anything

it's Kerry's past accomplishments that should have enabled him to stand up to his promising; "this time your vote will be counted" credo.

"For 35 years I've"...? what have you done for me lately?!?!?

[blm]

35. YOU blame Kerry who won all three debates decisively, instead of spending

energy on exposing the real culprits - GOP control over most of the media and most of the voting machines.

Every time you direct attacks on Kerry and blame his candidacy, you NEGATE the arguments that point to media negligence and complicity and the security of the machines...that enables the GOP a helluva lot more than you realize.

Either you and the GOP are right and Kerry was a bad candidate, or TakeBackTheMedia, MediaMatters and FAIR, and the verified voting groups are right and there is malfeasance in the media and the machines that needs our urgent attention.

[lojasmo]

40. Please quantify your claim....Chirp, chirp.

[blm]

43. Read the congressional record of the last 35 years.

Or even the last 50 years.

[lojasmo]

46. I know Kerry's accomplishments CHIRP CHIRP

But to say they are GREATER THAN ANY OTHER person's accomplishments is truly sort of assinine.

Quantify, or qualify (i.e. say: "in my opinion")

[blm]

48. In the area of government corruption there is no equal.

If you have proof there is then share it.

IMO, the only ones in the same ballpark are Gonzales, Waxman and Conyers.

And I say this because there is no way that Watergate comes even close to subverting the constitution to the degree that it was in IranContra and BCCI. In fact, Watergate helped SAVE Reagan and Bush's ASSES because the nice old Dems didn't think the country could withstand more impeachments.

[lojasmo]

49. I want YOU to prove YOUR assertion....

I'm not beholden to disprove your assertion. You are beholden to prove it.

[blm]

53. IranContra came about because Kerry investigated it for over a year and

forced the Senate to look closer at it. He had little cooperation from his own party at first. Once it was forced out into the open more and hearings were inevitable on CNN, then senior senators pulled rank and pushed Kerry aside, so he forced a trade off to get official investigation into BCCI.

BCCI Kerry investigated and exposed for 5 years with barely any cooperation even from his own party.

If you don't know any of this or just plain old DENY it, then may I suggest a reading of the congressional record from 1986 - 1996 or any Octafish thread of the last 4 years.

[lojasmo]

54. Repeat after me: "IN MY OPINION....

Kerry has done more to expose corruption in government than any other politician"

That's all it is: Your opinion.

People can have legitimate differences of opinion without having to resort to belittling each-0ther.

Kerry may have done a lot of good over the last thirty years, but his record more recently has been fairly abysmal.

IWR
NCLB
patriot act.

Blech.

[blm]

55. He was for revisiting both NCLB and Patriot Act. If you think HE would

have used the IWR as dishonestly as Bush then go ahead and blame IWR for the war, but, I don't see how Bush used the IWR to invade Iraq. In fact, I see that Bush invaded Iraq despite the guidelines in the IWR.

Did you disagree with Kerry's call to eliminate some of the provisions in the Patriot Act in Dec. 2003?

And when is a person NOT judged for his career in public service? Should Republicans only judge Bush by THEIR narrow standards for what he accomplishes for them, or is he to be judged by his entire adult life and its effect on all citizens.

[lojasmo]

56. Okay, we disagree.

I'm not judging Kerry for what he said about NCLB or the patriot act. I'm judging him on his votes, his legislation (after all, he is a legislator, no?)


I worked hard for Kerry, and he didn't, as he promised, have our backs.

I'll never again vote for anybody who helped pass those pieces of legislation.

[kansasblue]

16. No wait I, ok yes, I think that maybe an answer of No is best.

Election Fraud is too important. No to Kerry in '08

[aspberger]

17. not Kerry

no retreads please.

[SunDrop23]

19. Yes, Kerry not in 2008.

[chaska]

20. CLARK!!!

[fryguy]

28. YES!!

2004 should have been his year - with a VP nod at the minimun....

[quisp]

23. NOT.

[wurzel]

25. Kerry failed us in Ohio. He does not deserve another nomination.

[fryguy]

27. Diabold stole Ohio

kerry didn't fail...the forces of evil were too powerful there for mere mortals to fend off....

[orleans]

26. no. been there, done it.

ain't doing it again.

[MoonRiver]

29. No way, Jose.

Time for a REAL fighter.

[marlakay]

31. No...need someone with personality

and can fight repub negative stuff better. Also who can talk clearer. I liked Kerry but when he went on and on it drove people away. We need a leader who acts totally sure of himself to fight the fight. Someone who has good intuition and listens to that instead of advisors.

[LittleClarkie]

34. Is this trip really necessary?

We just answered "Kerry in 08". Just flip the results, and you will have "Kerry NOT in 08"

[politicasista]

36. Another day, another flamebait thread

I will come back as soon as we learn how to fight the real enemy.

[zulchzulu]

52. You're not kidding....

Whoopee! Another Kerry bashing thread! Yay!

All together now:

Eat our own!
Eat our own!
Eat our own!
Eat our own!
Eat our own!

Yay!

Dumbasses...

[lojasmo]

39. Not in '08...Not EV3R EOM

[AndreaCG]

41. No he stole everyone's recount money

Including mine. He is trying to rehabilitate himself, TOO LATE!

[blm]

44. You should call his office and ask for money back if you feel that way.

Kerry is still in legal battles in Ohio that GOP judges have stalled. He has donated most of the money to the DNC and DCCC and to the recounts in Washington for Gregoire and for Hackett's campaign and others.

But, if you truly believe you have been wronged, then ask for the money back. I'm sure they'll accomodate you.

[LittleClarkie]

47. BLM, do you remember who was collecting the GELAC money

was that the campaign or was that the DNC?

And do you think that money went to the lawyers in the field to help pay for expenses as they tried to observe the vote?

Btw, re the legal battle in Ohio, I also include the name of the lawyer, Don McTigue, in case folks want to try and look him up. I'm still looking for a working email so that perhaps I could write to him and see if I could get some info for the peoples.

I guess you either get Kerry or you do not. Those of us who do, know he's a man of integrity. He didn't steal anything. He did the best he could, which turned out not to be good enough. He got gamed by a more organized and unscrupulous opponent. Simple as that. We just don't know how to think like a ratfucker on this side of the aisle.

And that's bad?

[LittleClarkie]

45. Stole it?

Don't you think 17000 lawyers gotta eat, or however many they had out in the field. They prepared for recounts like in 2000, but not for being Diebolded to death, something they weren't going to be able to investigate in a month.

Sorry, he wasn't clairvoyant. His campaign prepared for what they thought they were going to face, and then when they got there, it was a different kettle of fish entirely.

We know there was rampant suppression, which wasn't going to be usable to change the results. We suspect greatly that the votes were flipped via Diebold. We also couldn't use that to flip the results. And the recounts we did have in Ohio didn't do squat. That's because you can't count votes that were never cast, or which were eaten by the machine.

All I know is that they are still involved in a court case in Ohio. His lawyer's name is Don McTigue.

As for what money he had left over, none of us are experts on campaign finance. You gave money. I gave money. He didn't steal it. We gave it to him. And in the end he had 15 million left of his primary funds. Just like Gore had about 8 million, which wasn't enough to recount Florida.

I'm trying to remember who was collecting the GELAC money. Was it Kerry or the DNC? If it was the DNC, it probably went into candidate funds.

But whoever was collecting the money, we didn't need it the way we did in 2000. We didn't need recounts. We needed solid, take it to court evidence about Diebold. We didn't have it. No amount of money was going to give it to us.

So, I see no evidence, from reports so far, that Kerry has untold GELAC bazillions somewhere. He did have his leftover primary money, as I said. And there have been reports of him slowly giving that out.

He gave money to the DCCC, to the Washington State Governor recount, and to the Louisiana runoff elections. And I would imagine the million to Dean when he became Chairman of the DNC.

Personally, I don't see where he needs rehabilitating. Neither do I see his latest activities in that light. He's been far too pissed off. And I don't think he can fake that. We often doesn't say what he's thinking or show his emotions. But when he's pissed, you know it's real. And when he's close to tears you know it's real.

I do see signs that he's keeping his options open for 2008. For those of us who still see a president when we look at him, that is good news, and no reason to be angry at him.

Why would he need to rehabilitate himself when he's already one of the most qualified men for the job of president I know?

[goodhue]

42. yes, not in 08

eom

[zulchzulu]

50. Kerry is the strongest candidate in the field so far...imho

It's way, way too early to even predict what the US will be like in 2008.

[MercutioATC]

51. Notnotnotnotnotnotnotnotnot!

...and NOT.

[NMDemDist2]

57. Locking, copycat

Asked and answered (and answered and answered)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1967612