The Paul Hackett phenomenon has changed the face of the Democratic Party.

[trumad]

The DNC is dead.

[im10ashus]

1. How so? n/t

[wli]

2. eh? the DNC backed him

[LSparkle]

3. Did you mean "DLC"? If so, I agree completely

The greatest thing about a Hackett victory will be to convince the DLC-ers once and for all that running as an anti-war, anti-*, full-fledged, old-school Democrat WORKS!

[Emendator]

18. I hope you're right

and am sure you are. If Kerry hadn't been so ambiguous, maybe he'd have won. I'm very impressed with Hackett.

[Stephanie]

4. do you mean DLC?

[ewagner]

5. Not necessarily

It's beginning to look like there are different types of Dems for different districts. Remember, no Dem has received more than 35% of the vote in Ohio's 2nd since 1980. If a liberal/progressive Dem were running in that distrcit we still wouldn't get over 35%.

Likewise we have a moderate/conservative dem running against Sensenbrenner in Wisconsin...he actually stands a chance of winning.

In other parts of Wisconsin and Minnesota, a more liberal can win.

In the long run as long as they adhere to BASIC Democaratic Party principles, it's a plus....

[blondeatlast]

6. ??? If you meant the DLC, I would tend to agree.

Can you give the blonde a bit of help with this cryptic post?

[im10ashus]

9. I too am lost.

I hate a hit-and-run post. :-)

[TahitiNut]

7. A 'supposition' isn't just a reverse 'suppository'.

:shrug:

[wakeme2008]

8. I am hoping you mean DLC not DNC

:)

[Rainscents]

10. Paul Hackett stated on Randi Rhodes show, it was grass root DNC who

got his campaign going and where it's at today... You're WRONG about DNC.

[im10ashus]

12. That's true.

And they raised $30,000 YESTERDAY alone. Amazing work there.

[Rainscents]

17. I want to know, where the hell is DLC when Paul Heckett needed their

help? Oh yea, I forgot, they're all too busy helping corporate. :mad:

[Rainscents]

11. You post this crap and don't answer people's question?

:wtf:

[ulysses]

13. if memory serves,

tru likes to make a big point of a mistake someone made on DU some years ago between the DNC and DLC. I suppose he thinks it's a common mistake.

:shrug:

[Old Vet]

16. Lets assume he meant the DLC, That would make sense.

To me.

[BrotherBuzz]

14. DNC is Rocky, and DLC is Bullwinkle

"Hey, Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat."
"Bullwinkle, that trick never works."
"This time for sure!". ...

Hope that helps....

[madfloridian]

15. Dear God, trumad, you know the difference between DNC and DLC

Come on and fix your post.

[Old and In the Way]

19. Knowing Trumad's posting history, I think it's safe to assume he meant DLC

The "N" and "L" keys are almost nextdoor neighbors...

[FrenchieCat]

20. I'm lost.....

Come Again?

[realFedUp]

21. Hackett and Dean are just straight talkers.

So refreshing.

[CordellHull]

22. Did you mean the DLC or the DNC?

Which is it?

[Samantha]

29. Love your screen name, CordellHull

Welcome to DU.

DLC is the answer.

[idlisambar]

23. huh? n/t

[trumad]

24. Sorry...My bad... I menat DLC.

[blondeatlast]

25. You little minx, you... nt

[Raiden]

26. I was worried for a second! lol

And yes, if Hackett wins or just does well, then it will be a huge blow to the DLC

[JanMichael]

28. FYI I get acronymed (sp?) out too sometimes.

IIRC I've misspoke when saying DLC DNC SPUSA CPUSA SDA ISP and other such shortenings of groups and things:-)

[sleipnir]

31. You have committed a grave sin, my son.

Five Dean Screams for you and no dinner.


:evilgrin:

[mtnester]

42. You had some fun there for a while though didn't you?

:P

[IndianaGreen]

27. It pays to call Bush a chicken hawk!

This might make Wes Clark look more like a winning way to go!

[DinahMoeHum]

30. Methinks you mean DLC is dead. DNC is now run by Howard Dean. . .

and the DFA is now advised by his brother, Jim.

and trust me, DNC and DFA (along with PDA and the Wellstone camp graduates) are gonna kick ass and take names for the next few years!!!

:kick::kick:

[OneBlueSky]

32. The People . . . United . . . Will Never Be Defeated! . . . n/t

.

[dolstein]

33. The single most important election in the history of mankind has ended

As long as we're engaging in irrational hyperbole . . .

[Cascadian]

34. The DNC?

I don't think it's dead. Remember, this was just one race in a special election. 2006 and 2008 are fast approaching. I can only hope the Democratic Party can turn the corner. I do have that hope. However, that being said, there is a hell of a lot of work to do to achieve it and a long search for some spines in the leadership's backs! At least Howard Dean has a spine.


John

[gokar]

35. Hackett is described as a LIBERTARIAN democrat by

Cincinnati Post newspaper. They don't consider him "liberal".

http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050726/EDIT/507260326/1003

[delhurgo]

36. Thats what I thought.

The post thats on the front page is trying to pass this off as proof that all you have to do to win is to be "true to your liberal beliefs". Thats the spin.

The fact is this guy was an excellent candidate (looks, family, war hero,...) and really is sort of in the DLC mold in that he's for gun rights and against big government in general. And he's not for just cutting and running in Iraq. He seems moderate, not "liberal".

The lesson is the exact opposite that people are trying to suggest on this thread.

[JimmyJazz]

37. That's not the point. The point is that he ran on an anti-war

anti-Bush platform and got a whole lot further than people imagined.

[Mass]

38. anti-war, but not pro immediate withdrawal.

He wants to have a stable situation in order to leave. How many people (including Dean) have been spewed at for that on DU.

I am happy to see that some people are coming back to a more reasonnable position.

[Q]

39. I believe that you're misrepresenting...

...the position of those who want to 'leave Iraq'. It has never been suggested that an 'unstable' situation should be left in Iraq. You're leaving the impression that a withdrawal would be worse than what's going on there right now.

It should be obvious to all observers that the instability in Iraq was CAUSED by the invasion and occupation. It would be easy to conclude that removing the cause of the instability would lead to a more stable Iraq.

In no way is it a 'moderate' position to stay in Iraq despite all the facts showing that it was and is an illegal, aggressive war. This would be an EXTREME RWing position. Withdrawing from Iraq under a peacekeeping plan would be a moderate to left position.

[Cosmocat]

40. This isn't horseshoes ...

Close doesn't count ... The D's, one way or another have to WIN a fight soon ... Not block Bolton until he got a term apppointment, not lose CAFTY by two votes, not get close in Ohio ...

You had an IRAQ VET, who came CLOSE, on an anti-war capaign ... Any non vet D is going to face the whole non-support troops/traitor thing ...

[Mass]

41. I was just pointing that Hacket disagrees with your position.

Nothing more.

I am not representing anything concerning your position (I do not even agree with him, but am closer to your position. I'm just happy that people could support for a moment somebody who is not 100 % for what they think - This is so refreshing here).

[CWebster]

43. Seems like a stand-up guy

But he is a militarist, so he still operates within that framework.

The war was wrong but I'm gonna go do my heroic duty and just follow orders.

[Ian David]

44. The close call (or win) here also sends the GOP a message...

It says, "You can't take any district for granted."

It means they now have to spread money around in places they have never needed to before.

If nothing else, this will cause a sort of "virtual attrition" for the GOP.