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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:14 PM
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Reality check: If Hackett wins, the DLC will claim it proves they're right
They'll say "see, we need to look tougher - - and we can't run those crazy liberals, because they only get 25% of the vote, but moderates like Paul Hackett get 51%!" (knock wood on the outcome)

The DLC will do this every time - - they will spin it so that it's all about them being right.

Book it.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:16 PM
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1. How is Hackett a moderate? He practically told * to go F himself.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:18 PM
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Bush isn't a conservative, Hackett isn't a liberal
I don't give a crap what he is. I like him and I'm praying for a Hackett win!
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:30 PM
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26. It's the "practically" that makes him so moderate.
Radicals use the f bomb, moderates don't, but nowadays they both mean the same thing.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:16 PM
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2. You're probably right.
Changing their message to make it sound like they were always right seems like the sort of thing they would do.
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A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:25 PM
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18. Wording it that way makes them sound sort of
Republican!
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:16 PM
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3. I don't give a crap
I want Hackett to win. We need this victory. We need some hope in the midst of all the darkness brought on by *.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:17 PM
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4. No, it won't. Hackett is a DFA candidate. He's one of the Dean dozens.
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/dfa-list.php

Paul Hackett for United States Congress. Paul knows what's at stake for all Americans. As a retired major in the United States Marine Corp, he voluntarily left Ohio to serve in Iraq. As an opponent of the war, Paul answered the call of duty because he knows that America needs leaders who don't shy from adversity. Now, he is running for Congress in the 2nd congressional district of Ohio fighting to promote small business growth, sustainable environmental policy and fiscal responsibility. Help us give Iraq war veterans their first voice in Congress and bring us a step closer to taking our country back in 2006 and 2008. Support Paul Hackett for United States Congress today. The special election is August 2, 2005.
http://www.actblue.com/list/hackett

***********

So, if Hackett wins, it proves the DNC and Dean are right and the DLC is wrong and should be banished from the party!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:19 PM
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BOOM. That's RIGHT.
Hackett is a FIGHTER, a Dean man ALL THE WAY.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:17 PM
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5. If Hackett wins and we don't run Wes Clark we deserve to lose.
Just my opinion.

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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:29 PM
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22. I'm a strong Dean man
But you are right. Wes Clark isn't as liberal as I would like, but he is not an insider and he is not afraid to call out corruption when he sees it (relatively speaking, of course).

I would have taken Clark over Kerry in 2004. At least Clark didn't use the party machine to smear another candidate like the establishment Democrats did.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:17 PM
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6. Spin away. Will DLC start calling Republicans "chicken hawks?"
That's what Hackett did. Lets just hope he wins.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:18 PM
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8. Right on!
:thumbsup:
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:18 PM
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7. If Paul wins and the DLC spins...
Paul seems like the kind of guy to set the record straight
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:18 PM
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9. Who cares
Whether Hacket wins or not matters more to me than what the DLC says.

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Raiden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:19 PM
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10. I thank Dean for Hackett!
The DLC hasn't even lifted a finger to help Paul. Dean's been working hard for him.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:27 PM
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20. That's Dean's job
He is head of the DNC, you know. :)
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Raiden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:29 PM
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21. Of course, but would McAuliffe have worked this hard?
Go Paul! Go! :kick:
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 10:26 PM
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36. No, and McAuliffe didn't have a brother running Democracy for America.
A LOT of the credit goes to the people at DFA who campaigned for him and contributed!!!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:19 PM
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11. search the DLC website for "Hackett"
http://www.dlc.org/search_results.cfm

Search Results for hackett
There are no records that match your criteria!


Meanwhile, look at top of the DNC website:



http://www.democrats.org/
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:23 PM
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16. Thanks for pointing that out. It needed to be said. nt.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 10:26 PM
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37. Yeah and look at the Democracy for America website too.
Paul is NUMBER ONE on Dean's A-List of candidates to support (Dean's Dozens)...
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:19 PM
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12. Ok. So he should lose then. We should always lose to make sure nobody's
ever right.
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Bark Bark Bark Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:26 PM
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THANK. YOU.
"Remember, if a Democrat is successful--he or she's not really a Democrat."
--The Prog Motto
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:30 PM
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25. I'm not saying he should lose or that we should want him to lose
I'm saying that the spin wars are coming. The DLC will call anybody who wins a "moderate" and find the facts to fit that description.

All I'm saying is get ready for it.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:39 PM
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34. exactly
and the converse of that, if they lose, then they're a liberal.

Take kerry for example. The DLC never complained about him in the primary and then after he loses they say "see we should have nominated a southern moderate instead of that liberal kerry."
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 10:09 PM
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35. Every cloud has a black lining...
The world seems to be nothing but spin. In fact, I think it is spinning. I'm getting dizzy.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:21 PM
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13. Fine if Hackett pulls the DLC left
and convinces wussy democratic 'leaders' to start using the sort of in your face confrontational tough talking straight shooting rhetoric that Paul uses - GREAT! Come on board. Start fighting for progressive Democratic values.

We need more opposition party leaders calling the chickenhawks what they are to their faces.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:22 PM
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14. At this point, he's a Democrat.
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 08:22 PM by Tandalayo_Scheisskop
That is good enough for me.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:30 PM
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24. Amen to that!
"Success has a thousand fathers; failure is an orphan."
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Son of California Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:23 PM
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15. Maybe we need tougher candidates in traditionally Rep states....
Why is that such a bad idea?
I mean, isn't it about getting those seats back?
in the end, short of illegal or unfair tactics, doesn't the end justify the means.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:24 PM
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17. Maybe we just need Dems unafraid to call a liar a liar. nt.
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Son of California Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:26 PM
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19. Right on!
New rule for running for office:

NO MINCING WORDS, JUST SAY IT!
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:30 PM
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23. The DLC had nothing to do with this race
Which is why Hackett is leading.

In a "red state" no less.

And you know what that means?

It means FUCK YOUR PANDERING TO THE NEOCONS, YOU CORPORATIST SELLOUT BITCHES!
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:34 PM
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29. Hear! Hear! The DLC joined this race when? Late last week?
If Hacket wins it will be despite them.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:38 PM
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33. Yes sir
:thumbsup:
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 10:28 PM
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38. Yes that's right, it's DEAN, the DNC and Democracy for America.
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 10:29 PM by Carolab
I keep asking people, support the DNC, support Dean, support Democracy for America!!!!

www.democrats.org
www.democracyforamerica.com
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/dfa-list.php
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:31 PM
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27. be realistic you have to be a moderate to win in this district. n/t
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:35 PM
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30. Have they hacked the vote yet??
They will.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:33 PM
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28. All I'm saying is that we live in a time where spin rules, not reality
And I'm saying that I can see this spin coming down 10th Avenue with a marching band, a circus and Gavin McCloud in the "Grand Marshall" car, waving to the crowd.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:35 PM
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31. Hacket was a trial lawyer and running on progressive issues. Just because
he was in the Marines didn't make him pro-empire, pro-corporations.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:36 PM
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32. ugh can the DLC not be brought into EVERY DAMN STORY?
it's getting old people

really fucking old :eyes:
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