What do I do if I may have FRAUD PROOF in Hackett loss in Ohio?

[Tigress DEM]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1975530&mesg_id=1975530


We were all bookmarking threads, but I got smarty pants and copied the whole thing to my desktop, so I show really odd date descrepencies on the early copies and I don't know what it could mean.

I documented what I have in the above thread - it started with post #12, but I should have copied the whole thing - then someone asked me about the numbers I had and I looked at what was there.

See Posts 162, 163 and 164 for the full details.

short version:

Here is the Brown County text:

THERE ARE TWO DATES AND NEITHER ARE CORRECT!!!! JUNE??!!
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OFFICIAL CUMULATIVE REPORT PAGE 1

25 Jun 2005 SPECIAL PRIMARY ELECTION
09:56 AM JUNE 14, 2005
BROWN COUNTY, OHIO
35 PRECINCTS

COUNT PERCENT
PRECINCTS COUNTED - COUNTY WIDE 35 100.00

REGISTERED VOTERS - DEMOCRAT 4,612

REGISTERED VOTERS - REPUBLICAN 3,763

REGISTERED VOTERS - NON-PARTISAN 20,866

REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL 29,241

BALLOTS CAST - DEMOCRAT 1,217 26.39

BALLOTS CAST - REPUBLICAN 2,287 60.78

BALLOTS CAST - NON-PARTISAN 0

BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL 3,504 11.98

REPRESENTATIVE TO CONGRESS (2ND DISTRICT) *
ONE TO BE ELECTED
STEVE AUSTIN 15 .67
TOM BEMMES 13 .58
TOM BRINKMAN, JR. 357 15.87
PAT DEWINE 402 17.87
PETER A. FOSSETT 6 .27
BOB MCEWEN 948 42.13
ERIC MINAMYER 53 2.36
DOUGLAS E. MINK 5 .22
JEFF MORGAN 51 2.27
JEAN SCHMIDT 392 17.42
DAVID R. SMITH 8 .36

REPRESENTATIVE TO CONGRESS (2ND DISTRICT) *
ONE TO BE ELECTED
PAUL HACKETT 762 63.82
JAMES JOHN PARKER 60 5.03
CHARLES W. SANDERS 135 11.31
JEFF SINNARD 31 2.60
VICTORIA WELLS WULSIN 206 17.25

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Clermont simular story first two dates are correct but not third...JULY...

Current Election Results: 8/2/05 Election Find on this page:
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Special General 2005
8/2/05
07/25/05, 11:01:18 AM
0 of 191 Precincts Reporting



Representative to Congress 2nd District (Vote for: 1)
Early Voting Election Day Provisional Total Percentage
PAUL HACKETT 0 0 0 0 0.00%
JEAN SCHMIDT 0 0 0 0 0.00%
Write In Votes 0 0 0 0 0.00%
Total Votes Cast 0 0 0 0 100.00%



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Warren County shows wrong dates too - JUNE!!



OFFICIAL CUMULATIVE REPORT PAGE 1

25 Jun 2005 PRIMARY ELECTION
09:47 AM WARREN COUNTY, OHIO
JUNE 14, 2005
79 PRECINCTS

COUNT PERCENT
PRECINCTS COUNTED - COUNTY WIDE 79 47.59

PRECINCTS COUNTED - THIS ELECTION 79 100.00

PRECINCTS COUNTED - 2ND CONGRESS 79 100.00

REGISTERED VOTERS - DEMOCRAT 4,771

REGISTERED VOTERS - NON-PARTISAN 39,057

REGISTERED VOTERS - REPUBLICAN 17,754

REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL 61,582

BALLOTS CAST - DEMOCRAT 1,111 23.29

BALLOTS CAST - NON-PARTISAN 0

BALLOTS CAST - REPUBLICAN 6,142 34.60

BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL 7,253 11.78

DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE TO CONGRESS 2ND DISTRICT
UNEXPIRED TERM
ONE TO BE ELECTED
PAUL HACKETT 626 57.80
JAMES JOHN PARKER 48 4.43
CHARLES W. SANDERS 85 7.85
JEFF SINNARD 25 2.31
VICTORIA WELLS WULSIN 299 27.61

REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE TO CONGRESS 2ND DISTRICT
UNEXPIRED TERM
ONE TO BE ELECTED
STEVE AUSTIN 21 .35
TOM BEMMES 79 1.30
TOM BRINKMAN, JR. 1,114 18.33
PAT DEWINE 784 12.90
PETER A. FOSSETT 84 1.38
BOB MCEWEN 2,210 36.36
ERIC MINAMYER 241 3.97
DOUGLAS E. MINK 9 .15
JEFF MORGAN 17 .28
JEAN SCHMIDT 1,418 23.33
DAVID R. SMITH 101 1.66

[The Doctor.]

1. Well first...

Get it to TruthIsAll.

Then I'd check out the correlations. ( and I'm just too fatigued right now... I'll get back to this thread.)

[merwin]

2. Looks to me like you're viewing results from the primary election.

Not the general election that just happened.

[aquart]

3. And the reason for that would be...?

Time travel?

[merwin]

4. No, the results simply weren't in yet.

I was looking at those pages in realtime, and none of them started recording any results data until about 8pm EST. All of the results that you are listing had been there all day. They were probably just in the middle preparing the websites for the new election data. Since they're using the same URL to show results for the general election that they did in the primaries, it would show old data until new data came in. Any results that had more than 2 candidates (1 dem, 1 repub) would be from the primary election.

No fraud there.

[Tigress DEM]

7. I'm thinking this COULD be a false alarm.

My husband does some work with WEB pages and I think he has said that they usually work on a page and THEN publish it, but there are times someone could accidentally publish a page they are working on - especially if they were in a hurry.

If the admin who was putting the numbers in used the primary numbers as a cheat sheet and just copied it over and was still changing information while he/she was on the live copy, that would cause something like this.

[merwin]

9. I frequently 'cheat' while i'm writing webpages and hit the save button

before I probably should have. It happens when you're in a rush.

[Tigress DEM]

10. Yeah, using the same format for simular projects...

not just in web pages, but the publishing aspect makes it easy for others to see your stuff before it's done.

[Tigress DEM]

5. Huh, Well maybe they used those as the source file and were ...

just copying them and what I'm seeing is so early in the reporting that they were still being "created" but had accidentally been published as they were working on them????

Because these items I copied were the same bookmarks as the links that give the current information.

Brown County(35 precincts)
Currently showing primary results, hopefully will change to general election results tomorrow.
Link - http://66.241.236.181/elect/ohbrown/results.txt

Clermont County(191 Precincts)
Link http://www.clermontelections.org/default.php?section=results&topic=current

Hamilton County(319? precincts)
This is a link to a self-updating PDF file.
http://www.hamilton-co.org/boe/inputdata/Electionsresul...

Warren County(79 precincts)
Also showing primary results.
Link http://www.co.warren.oh.us/bdelec/search/votingresults/voting_results_publish.asp

[merwin]

6. Exactly

The webpages that were showing primary results aren't automatically updating pages. They're manually changing them and updating them, making them prone to any human error.

Those aren't official results in any way, shape, or form.

[Tigress DEM]

8. And if it hadn't been a run in a state known for cheating...

I'd have thought this first. Thanks. Going to bed now.