How could an Iraq vet lose in a republican area?

[kerryin2004]

Do they hate the troops and America? Everybody knows Hackett was the best candidate despite party affiliation, and to cheer a close loss is sad..What is happening in this country that makes these people such lunatics for the reich wing?

[Old and In the Way]

1. Party First, Rationality 2nd.

[grannylib]

2. just indicative of the complete evil lunacy and hypocrisy of the reich...

even though Hackett served his country in a war those fuckers all love (boy, for a culture of life, they sure are fond of other people's deaths for lies, aren't they?) if they know he is on "the other side" he really can't be a TRUE patriot, right? Any TRUE patriot licks W's balls and spouts the party line and never ever ever acts as though they might have a brain or some fucking balls of their own.
The Reich Wing is filth. I am really sad to say that, because it truly is not Christian to badmouth people but these fuckers are evil lying thieving warmongering greed=driven sacks of shit, I'm sorry, it's just the TRUTH dammit

[kerryin2004]

7. Why do people still follow these guys?

What is the underlying reasoning for persons continued support of Bush Co and the repubes? Surely the DNC has psychiatrist studying this phenomenon of these people blindly following The Repubs..

[grannylib]

15. Boy, I wish I knew. I think it's a combination of greed, fear and stupidit

y.
I don't get Christians voting Reich Wing.
I don't get women voting Reich Wing.
I don't get minorities voting Reich Wing.
I don't get intelligent people voting Reich Wing.

I sorta understand why evil greedy people vote Reich Wing; I just don't understand how they get that way.

[JohnnyBoots]

62. I don't get patriotic Americans voting that way

[truth2power]

24. Conversation with a friend today...

Talking about why some people still support Bush. My friend said, "Bush is a Christian...."

I interrupted, "Bush is no Christian!" My friend agreed, and then said, "OK, he talks about God a lot. And that's as deep as it goes." :eyes:

[tsuki]

59. Granny, 71% didn't give a hoot or holler. That is what is unforgivable.

[ikojo]

61. This should serve as a lesson to Democratic leaders

It does not matter how much a Democrat espouses the same platitudes of the reich wing, as long as that person has a D after his/her name (listening Hillary?) he/she will be pilloried by the right. The DLC can move to the right and become Republican lite all they want but they will still be seen as "socialists" by Oxyrush and his minions.

This guy served his country (thus he was a vet and the pugs love to say how much they and only they are the real supporters of the military) and he lost.

So, this is why the Dems need to completely differentiate themselves from the pugs. Don't try to be pug lite...STAND FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, such as supporting real national healthcare and a true living wage.

[babylonsister]

3. It's sad. I have a friend who still thinks

'my president, right or wrong.' I can't talk any sense into her; she's also in her mid-70s, and a child of the 60s. I don't get it.

[kerryin2004]

6. but why?

Do you ask her if she felt that way with Clinton as well? How much shiat can she take before she decides that there is just too much wrong?

[babylonsister]

13. I think, sad to say,

that 9/11 flipped her. She was originally from NY, lives in FL. BUT! she listens to Faux, Rush, et. al., and has become convinced that the blivet is the best thing that has happened since sliced bread.
Perhaps her arguments are becoming more hollow-I can only hope. We tend to 'chat' late at night and end the conversation with yelling at each other because a) according to her, I can't comprehend what's going on :eyes: and b)she is in total denial and doesn't want to hear facts (which I offered to provide).

[EST]

16. Actually, that would make her a child of the thirtys or forties

I grew up is the fifties and sixties, the product of a very conservative household - no smoking, no drinking, no dancing, none of that frivolous stuff like basketball games and so on. My father, when he learned that I was taking my girlfriend to my first movie, at age sixteen, was so pissed he refused to speak a civil word to me for a week.
Although we were thoroughly indoctrinated with the idea that all politicians are liars, thieves and worse, somehow we also held the contrary notion that they were in possession of some greater truth and were, somehow, smarter or better thinkers than the rest of us. We thought the struggle for equal rights was strictly a bunch of trouble makers who didn't understand how good they had it.
Remember that for every war protester there were a dozen red necks who were willing and happy to beat them up or kill them and the KKK was not nearly as condemned as they should have been.

[babylonsister]

21. EST, correct, mea culpa!

I MET her in the 70s when I was a bit younger; she dated my uncle who died a few years ago at aged 69.
Man, I'm just about your age. My house consisted of smoking, drinking, and dancing, my family loved sports, and my dad kicked me out as well, for speaking my mind.
I believe the quote went something like this: this is my house, and my word goes. If you don't like it, get out. I must have been a repug, because he's such a diehard dem!
Thanks for the memories! :)

[EST]

28. Sometimes those memories make me cringe a little.

Remember the famous " as long as you're living under my roof, etc., bla bla bla?" I wound up becoming a minister, pastoring a church, teaching bible classes, on and on, ad nauseum. No wonder I later became such a religion de-bunker and anti-theist on all fronts.

[babylonsister]

49. Lots of that going on in my circle, so you

aren't a lone ranger.

[EST]

54. That's good, that's good.

Maybe we can get together and do a little mass debunking, sometime.
However, that comes with a high price. One of the fundamentals of inveterate truthtelling is that if you kick the props from under someone's precious belief system, you are obligated to replace it with something equally dependable. Rarely does the reward equal the cost. Becoming the tribal shaman is not a position I particularly aspire to.

[tsuki]

4. Because The Pimple on the Ass of America was telling them that

he was a "staff puke."

[Wabbajack]

5. You answered your own question

it's a republican area, he ran as a Democrat.

Frankly if the sitch was reversed I don't see myself voting puke under any circumstances especially for a legislative position.

Of course he didn't lose because they stole it...

[kerryin2004]

11. I would vote puke if he was the best candidate..

For example, if John McCain and Joe Lieberman were the two pres. candidates I might vote McCain, even though I don't like him. Lieberman to me is more of a repuke than McCain.

[babylonsister]

17. Between those two, I'd have to write in a vote. Same w/Biden.nt

[kerryin2004]

18. or vote third party..

but if you only had those two
with no write in what would you do?

[babylonsister]

22. Neither. Ain't gonna happen.

I'm pretty convinced whoEVA gets the dem nod, I'm going there. But Liebermann won't be happening. And I refuse Guiliani or McCain.
As the evil person Tweety said tonight, if the war continues to go wrong, Pee Wee Herman could run and would win. The blivet is not backing down, I guess we have to accept that people are dying and that will continue til someone comes to their senses.
Who can stop this as soon as possible? That's the question.

[bunkerbuster1]

41. based on their voting records? realy?

Much as we enjoy dumping on "holy Joe" he's a "baby killer" and an "environmental whacko" comppar3ed to McCain.

I'd vote for Holy Joe any day over ANY Reep.

[kestrel91316]

8. Because "Support the Troops" is what's known as a PLATITUDE

[Lindacooks]

9. Repukes don't care about vets.

All they care about is their bigotry and their own pocketbooks. And even then they vote against themselves - all in the vain hope that they too will someday be 'rich'.

[fishnfla]

10. I'd bet the GOP is gonna start running Iraqi vets now

or at least having them campaign for candidates

[DURHAM D]

20. I am certain that the repugs are out searching for Iraqi vets to

run for various state and national seats. I hope that the DNC hires Hackett to do nothing but recruit vets and help train them to run for office. Candidates don't just appear - to be successful we have to recruit and train them. The Repugs (esp. under Newt) have been highly successful at this for many many years. The Dems always want the process to be more organic. It does not work, obviously.

I think the DNC needs a letter from me - God knows they get enough of my money.

[Cosmocat]

12. You know what is funny ...

They had the bag on Hardball tonight, and she actually said that Hacket ran like a Republican, that he rode the president until people in the area finally figured out who the republican was ...

Honestly, that is what she said ...

Then, I was watching Tucker Carlson, and they had Scarboro and that one D lady on ... Scarboro, not in these exact words, said that whole country stands behind the president and this war ... The lady just looked at him for a few seconds, like, dumbfounded ....

These people just make this stuff up, and somehow, the masses just swallow it ...

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

14. The military is the GOP's toy soldiers

[Wizard777]

19. Support the troops!

Unless it's inconvenient for the RNC. Then Screw 'em! They are just supposed to die for the next RNC power grab. They are not supposed to have any power. It's all Bush's. Check your talking points.

I think it's time for the ohio Republican Party to Meet The Press and Face The Nation. I live in Maryland and I want to know why they do not support Iraq Veterans. Why would they not want to send Hackett to Congress to disspell these nasty rumors started by the liberal media. Why would they not want Hackett there telling congress that Iraq really is a great big party. That they really were welcomed with Flowers and Parades. The Iraq military and police are way ahead of schedule. That all utilities have been fully operational for almost a year now. It's just one great big love fest over there. They want the war but not the people that could have been killed in it. What's up with that? I REALLY WANT TO KNOW!

[babylonsister]

26. BINGO! But will anyone ask the right questions?

Could be a good issue to PUSH! :thumbsup:

[LittleClarkie]

23. Because they only "Support the troops" if they're fucking Republicans

Ask Kerry, Cleland, etc, etc.

[JayVotes]

25. Because he HIDES who he was

I live just south of Ohio and have a fav radio station from the area. EVERY one of his radio ads that I heard ( which was at least 3 ) NEVER once said he was a democrat a progressive anything it make he seem like jello. In fact two of his ads started out with bush talking and in the end he talked about how much he agreed with him. I don't understand why people are so excited about such a close race in a repub district. They act like this means things are changing. IT WAS A CLOSE RACE IN THE DISTRICT BECAUSE,
1. Bad turnout, because no one came to the polls because from all his ads you either could vote for a bushie repub. or a bushie guy who never said what he was.
2. He did not give voters an alternative. He basically hid and I guess hoped if said as little as possible maybe people would vote for him because he was a veteran. WELL there lots of veterans out there just because you went to the army should I vote for you? No I should vote for you because of ideas.

PROGRESSIVES will NEVER start any sort of change hoping they can sway some podunk district into voting for a guy because he is a veteran when HE never even says he is as much as a slight difference from bush in his ads.

Stand behind something and if you are right people will eventually change.

THIS IS NO VICTORY even if he WON it would not be a victory because for John Q Public he would only have voted for him because he either a actually knew the truth about hackett or b simply had the wool pulled over his eyes because from Hackett's ads you would know nothing about him and that is not the kind of votes that MAKES CHANGE

[Sparkly]

27. I saw the TV ad on his website

Can't say I heard radio ads, but the media I saw on him highlighted his sharp criticism of Bush and the Iraq war. I'm not sure how, with all that, anyone could have considered him Bush-lite.

The ad I saw had Chimp saying something like "There's no higher calling than serving America in the armed forces," then Hackett came on and said, "I agreed with that, and so I joined the service" or whatever... I thought it was clever. Being a Democrat doesn't mean we don't respect service or don't serve ourselves. Republicans don't own that.

Seems to me, even from this distance, the differences between Hackett (a vocal critic of Bush) and Schmidt (a vocal supporter of Bush) were quite clear. No?

[JayVotes]

29. Clever

You think Clever. I did not say you have to diss bushie. That is not clever that is a simple trick. Did you ever once hear him say any descriptive words in his ads that would say anything about what kind of stance he would take ( I.E. Progressive. Alternative, Liberal ( not a bad word, Democrat ) You see in ad where he tricks johnny lunchpail into thinking he is a Bush man and you think that is CLEVER. Remember MANY voters do not read blogs and the like. Many make there decisions on ads.


All I am saying is sit down and listen or watch all of his ads and you tell me that you don't think he is scared to say anything at all that could be connected to an alternative view. He did not in my opinion you had low turnout and some votes that were got with smoke and mirrors. THIS IS NO VICTORY.


Without a clear platform and being able to say I am ______ and I stand for ________ and I will do ________ you will NEVER actually CHANGE people and therefore you will NEVER get a movement like the one that is occuring now with the neocons.

Don't feed me crumbs and call it a cake

[geckosfeet]

31. Hey Jay,,,, lets go fight a war and find some WMD's ! Yeah! Yah wanna?

Lets go dude! Some other poor slob will die.

Oh,,, no WMD's? Sorry I was not clear enough,,, I meant because of potential WMD's. They were gonna get them you know.

Hmmm,, whats that you say? No evidence of weapons programs? Well thank god we freed the Iraqis before Saddam made them start building WMD's. Free from tyranny. Yessiree. They are livin high now boy.

How are them crumbs. Or is that the cake part,,,,,,,,,

[JayVotes]

33. What?

Did you read my post? I am talking about the perception of his ads.

You make less sense than I do

[geckosfeet]

47. He he he,,,,, I know. You deserve an explanation.

All I meant was that Bush and the lying thieving murdering theocons have misrepresented and concealed their true objectives and it has worked for them. Stealth politics man,,,, come on! Bait and switch. The suckers bite very time.

I think if Hackett had some real dem party support and organizing he may have made those 4 percentage points. The democratic party infrastructure in that state must be severely eroded. Maybe you could help out?

[Sparkly]

35. "he tricks johnny lunchpail into thinking he is a Bush man"

"and you think that is CLEVER."

No, he showed that Bush talks the talk, and he walked the walk. I thought it clever that he started his ad with Bush's own words about serving America.

Is it only "Bush men" who serve this country? Does the party own the military?

He was quite vocal in stating his opposition, imho.

[JayVotes]

37. Agree somewhat

He might have said that in the occasional interview but I am talking about his ads. HE NEVER stated anysort of opposition in ANY of his radio or TV ads. I saw them. I heard them. If I am wrong show me the one that I missed. I am simply stating that fact. everyone is looking at this from our informed opinion. I am talking about the view of the man on the street. That is where the power of change is. Not a couple of us poli junkies

[winga222]

38. Sorry but I can't agree

1. It was a RECORD turnout. Around 100K when they had been predicting 25-30K.

2. Hackett did use Bush's image and words to grab attention and then WRAPPED THEM AROUND HIS THROAT. Called him a son-of-a-bitch and a chickenhawk. It was a thing of beauty.

I worked the phone banks, I talked to people and they DID know that they were voting for an anti-Bush, pro-troops progressive and were incredibly pumped to do so. I live just south of the district too and heard the spots, spent time at the headquarters and put my heart and sweat into this campaign. I don't think I appreciate someone who didn't do the same telling me what victory looks or feels like. I'd have loved to have seen Hackett take the seat but I know what we did and it was tremendous.

[JayVotes]

39. I would like to see it

I am specifically talking about the ads here and have the whole time


quote " 2. Hackett did use Bush's image and words to grab attention and then WRAPPED THEM AROUND HIS THROAT. Called him a son-of-a-bitch and a chickenhawk. It was a thing of beauty."



Which ad did he even come close to saying that, Please link it because then I will shut up as you would have been proven wrong

[winga222]

45. Ads are not the end all and be all

I work in advertising, for a Cincinnati ad agency, and have logged more than 20 hellish years in that profession. I wish selling anything - any product, any idea, and yes, any candidate, was as simple as cutting a great :30 or :60 spot and blanketing the market. Ad agencies really don't call themselves that anymore, since it's not just about advertising. We're called communication companies, because that's what it's all about: advertising, grass roots, PR (both offensive and defensive), product placement, internet and non-traditional vehicles, etc.

If you were only talking about ads, you probably are technically correct. His most aggressive ads stuck it to Schmidt, tying her into Ohio's corrupt Republican Party, rather than Bush. Every other form of communication he used - press releases, website, interviews, flyers, grass roots - pushed hard on Bush. The man played the race brilliantly. A lot of people gave up a lot of time, money and heart to push for the VICTORY we got. I guess back seat drivers aren't my favorite people right now. Sorry, we may agree on a lot of things but not this.

Peace out.

[faithnotgreed]

42. thank you winga222

[JayVotes]

44. another counterpoint

to number one, is was only a record turnout compared to what the predicted not compared to the past congressional elections thet were contested. I know there is a website that has those totals somewhere. You are local so cross reference those with the contested election and you would know what I mean


My original statement about the ads still stans and nobody has shown me otherwise. I ACTUALLY WANT someone to as I hope I am wrong

[madfloridian]

51. Anyone who calls the prez an SOB is not hiding who he is.

You are just wrong on that. Let's see, Democrats on the ground for him, Max Cleland, many others...anyone who thought he was Republican was hiding his head in the sand.

It is sad to see the GOP spin used here.

[JayVotes]

55. Once again I am NOT WRONG

We are talking about his ads here. NOT A SINGLE AD WAS ANTI BUSH. In fact the majority of them made it seem like they were camp bunk mates. I am not wrong. Watch and listen to his ADs and you will see. All I am saying is this is NOT a victory. ARE WE THAT SAD THAT WE ARE CHEERING BECAUSE WE LOSS BY LESS THIS TIME IN ONE DISTRICT. Heck everybody knows he was running against a piss poor candidate. Republican district or not. Heck Ky ( remember I am across the river ) has democrats outnumbering republicans 3 to 1 and they have lost EVERYTHING STate and Federal except the State House. If you read your census reports its just going to get worse. the south is growing. All of the blue states are BLEEDING people. So elections in the future even if all the people who move to those states vote progressive most still cannot overturn the numbers already voting there. Electoral votes will show major swings to the other side.

What are we doing BRAGGING about an almost win where the candidate NEVER RAN AN AD WITH ANYTHING SLIGHTLY NEGATIVE TO THE CURRENT FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION.

Move On, Make a movement no one is going to change there minds if we keep bitching about the same old cliches of rich people, Right wing zealot christians and the usual stupid bag of talking points.

STAND FOR SOMETHING POSITIVE

It sad to see someone talking about making positive change to change the minds of people who could be swayed and being accused of GOP SPIN. Did you read my posts or did you curl into you pre-concieved shell when I did not support the status quo

[FrenchieCat]

57. Doesn't matter what you say....Cause Hackett was not running

against Bush. He was running against the hag.

His commercials were about himself and about the Hag.

He called Bush out and stood by it. That is clear, and not imagined.

Reality is a bitch, but ads do not a campaign make.

But thanks for your interpretation as to what you saw in those ads. We heard you, so you can stop now. We are not hard of hearing.

Thank you......and have a blessed day! :hi:

[JayVotes]

76. Hearing

Hearing was not the problem, Read some of the replies to my post and you will notice Reading is the major malfuntion as I was pointing out ads played on local radio and somehow this got miscontrued as ________. I am trying to point out the fact that the problem with almost ALL elections I see is that there is never a clear platform, Lets see an Alternative. Not " Yeah I agree with the other side too " Or The only other message is " I am not the otherside" Give me a platform and an alternative. I do not see that in an overall message. Yeah you can say he or she said it here or there but I am talking about what the man on the street sees not some political junkie who reads Mother Earth News Like myself. We a ( politically informed on a DAILY basis) are a very small minority

[SheepyMcSheepster]

67. i heard limbaugh saying the samething yesterday on the radio. eom

[barb162]

30. Easy:he lost for the same reason people with SUVs have the

ribbons on the SUVs... they don't make any connections. Also, their money is more important to them and the GOP keeps the rich people's taxes lower than a Democrat would

[JayVotes]

32. Rich people and taxes

Rich people? where have you been. I always laugh at people who use the old rich people cliche. Either 50% of america is rich or there must be another reason they are voting for the repubs.

We need to make platforms and have ideas and MOVE ON. Why don't you just sprinkle a couple of fat cat comments in there as well. There is a TON of middle class people voting republican who just turn away when they here crap comments like that. Remember most middle class people WANT to someday be rich, so attacking the rich is not going to make many of them want to change sides.

There are plenty of ideas that can be pushed to sway them the other way. Why your at it why don't you blame something on pretty people because no one wants to be pretty either

[barb162]

34. Cool it down

and quit posting crap like this.

When the Haves, such as people with good medical insurance fear the costs of national health insurance and many other costly social programs that they associate with Democrats, they aren't going to vote for Democrats. When the Haves who own businesses fear Democrats for taxing them more, they tell their employees not to vote for Democrats. When middle class people think they might be able to move up in social structure, they don't want the upper brackets taxed highly, because they want to get in those tax brackets soon. And people simply don't make connections that their war president is screwing things up in Iraq and elsewhere. Please post in a more adult manner.

[JayVotes]

36. Cool

Crap?

Did I ever attack anyone?


I am stating a fact. If you want change, Create IT. Don't complain what the other guy is doing.

I guess if people think that is crap, prepare to see a bigger slide

[barb162]

40. You might want to think about toning down your rhetoric a bit

as you are a very new poster here. There are many ways to get your points across in a more polite manner. Read the rules especially about flaming, personal attacks, etc., as these are monitored boards.

The fact is change does not come easily when many people will just stick with the party they have voted for the last 20 years. Change won't happen easily when many people are bamboozled by the phony issues, like gay marriage and "values", that Bush and his entire party has mastered. The fact is Ohio in the Fall of 2004 was a close race despite the huge loss of jobs in that state. That state easily should have gone hugely democratic with all the job losses and closed factories but it didn't. People are not voting their economic interests to their own detriment and they are buying the GOP crap about values, that you don't switch parties during a war, etc. People just aren't making the proper connections and that is a fact.

[JayVotes]

43. Thats the problem

I completely agree, However I am simply asking to point out ONCE where I flamed or attacked someone personally. we are all on the same side here arn't we.

I guess I simply make people feel uncomfortable because I hate the same old cliches.

" Because I am new here" I did not know I had to kiss boots for awhile before I could express my opinion.


Not trying to be rude here. But I simply call a spade a spade

[babylonsister]

48. Continue..state your opinions, and

move on.
Don't ask. You will get along swimmingly.
And if no one answers, you are not alone.

They might eventually.
Read and absorb.

[barb162]

50. No one is saying to kiss boots

There are thousands of dedicated people on DU who are sick of the various things going on in this country right now. Many of us have given tons of money and time to change things. Read your first answer to me and read what you wrote to the poster who worked in the Hackett campaign. Some people might interpret your responses as insults. Maybe look at the responses in a few days.

Nuff said, okay? There's no need to belabor this or speak of it further.

I want to welcome you to DU.

[leesa]

46. Because they vote according to their Party. They don't even listen to

what nonsense is said by their candidates...otherwise they would notice Bush is a lunatic. Their Party trumps their country.

[barb162]

53. Most of my family votes Republican and they have voted that

way all of their lives. There are a lot of people like that. Remember that Missouri candidate who died and people voted for him anyway? I laugh and cry at the same time over that one

[DanCa]

52. The gop does the opposite of what it says. (nt)

[FrenchieCat]

58. Yes....

DEMOCRATS SUPPORT THE TROOPS! :patriot:

REPUBLICANS SUPPORT PINCH LIP HAGS WHO KISS CHICKENSHITHAWK BOOTS! :silly:

[Skittles]

56. they put the interests of the GOP above the interests of America

they are true traitors

[Talismom]

60. Because the neocons use the vets to make big $, then toss them out!

Just like they do everyone else. Everything is fair when they're out there lining their bank accounts--they call that "the free market" and that's all they care about. They don't have any real values or care about anyone or anything like patriotism, democracy etc. It's all profits for this crowd of thugs! (May the whole lot rot in hell!)

[Tesla]

65. I remember sitting in the living room with my parents one sunday

back in 1992, almost in tears, talking about how 41 couldn't get back in, we won't have America anymore.
I went out and worked to get Clinton heard.
I KNEW we had to keep the Bushes out of office.
I WILL WORK FOR ANYONE THAT RUNS WHO WILL STOP THE RUBBERSTAMPING OF THIS WH.
41 and co just had 8 years of giving CLinton crap, and hiding what they were up to in their Caves.
They used idiot boy to "get er done".
Oh well, the "Great 90's", I'll remember it well.....

[Talismom]

68. Yeah, I remember believing that it couldn't get any worse than Reagan!

It's so awful that I can hardly believe it! I feel like crying and ranting (like Mike Malloy, who I just love!)all the time--yet I will not stop trying to get rid of these bastards, too much is at stake to give up.

[ananda]

63. limbaughtomized lunacy

It's the Rush Limbaugh effect. People have literally lost their minds, due to extreme fear and racism.

The inability to think rationally is a hallmark of the USA in the 21st century.

Today Gallup published a poll showing that a Republican will win the presidential election in 2008. McCain and Giuliani lead Hilary Clinton by five points and Kerry by more.

I think somebody like Wes Clark would be the best candidate, that is if Dean doesn't run and I guess he won't because he's doing such an outstanding job as DNC chair.

Sue

[sshan2525]

64. If it could be proven tomorrow that the Devil himself............

was the actual head of the Republican party (come to think of it, he is), 50% of GOP voters would continue to pull the "R" lever for economic reasons. This is the "Fuck you, I've got mine" group. The other 50% would do it becaues they're dumber than a box of Kleenex. This is the "I just lost my job and can't afford to buy the kids medicine but Jesus loves me, the queers can't get married and we're kicking the towelheads asses" group. My percentages may be off, but that pretty much sums up any possible attraction of the Grand Old Party.

[mtnester]

66. Because he is a registered DEM

In Clarmont County, the mega SUV drivin ubher upper upper middle class (insert the word WEALTHY if you like) Abercrombie shoppin private school hoppin botox poppin rude horn honkin horrid drivin white stay at home soccer moms live in massive concentrated colonies. (no offense meant to anyone unless you fit this run-on sentence to a T in every way). And they run their households with an iron fist.

Jesus, Ghandi, the Pope, the Holy Trinity, Ronald Reagan, and George Bush, if they were all registered Dems, would have lost.

Imagine trying to get Pillboy or O'Reilly or Hannity to vote for Hillary...this was the obstacle Hackett had in this district. And it appears by the double digit swing since the last election, he actually was able to get one of them to do just that.

So coming close is a good thing...especially double digit swings away from the Repubs.

[ElectroPrincess]

69. Oh, now I fully understand ...

As a person who lives in another obnoxiously "wealthy county" ... comprising of mostly arrogant tax-me-not horse's asses, your post makes perfect sense.

No wonder this noble man was defeated.

Just to give you a flavor of what total a** these "upper middle class" people can be: I was almost arrested by an arrogant 25 y.o. cop.

Why? The lady in the Escalade parked next to mine wanted to file a complaint against me.

For what? For rescuing her 8 WEEK old Labrador Retriever puppy, in the process of experiencing heat stress, from her locked car, in the sun, at 90+ degrees. (the window was rolled down about 2 1/2 inches and I got a young teen to reach in and unlock it).

She was LIVID that I dare touch her car and that she only had been gone for 5 minutes. Guess that's why the puppy's tongue was stuck out and it was barely responsive when I pulled him out into the shade and revived him with a big gulp filled with ice water.

I would have, no doubt, been cited too if it were not for the fact that I drew attention to the fact that the store had security cameras that would back up my story, i.e., five minutes my ass!

The young girls that helped me revive the pup, took off as soon as the cop tore into me. Thank God (this one time) for cameras because the cops arrived 15 minutes later after the pup was OK and that NASTY broad dripping with jewelry would have had them write me out a citation.

It comes as no surprise that Hackett lost in a county such as Claremont. A place where someone's SUV is more valuable than one's pet (or perhaps child).

These people make me sick! If these people love this war so much, then we should have them send all their arrogant little brats to IraqNam, not ours. I would like to believe that Democrats love all living creatures and treat them accordingly. :rant:

In essence, there's nothing more disgusting than selfish behavior of arrogant upper-middle class county residents. All these snotty counties tip heavily republican. Our rag-tag bunch of Local Democrats only draw a little more than a "dirty dozen" to our monthly meetings at the County Courthouse. :(

[mtnester]

70. I am glad you understand and shared that with me

So you absolutely know the type to a T and get the big picture.

Not that you are one of them, but there have been SO many doomsayers on this...I have been trying to make a plain picture for everyone who does not live around these parts so they can see how futile it was, yet how damn positive it could be if this swing happened statewide. We have 88 TOTAL counties, and the portion of Claremont that votes in OH-02 is the reddest part of the county. (Redistricting at its finest, cancels out all the rural counties around it). We swung COMPLETELY Brown, Adams, Pike, and Scioto counties, and tightened it up by double digits in Warren, Hamilton and Claremont. Ohio only needs a 2.3 swing overall to put our candidates in the WH and in congressional seats.

[ElectroPrincess]

71. Thank you

Hope springs eternal in the State of Virginia also. We have a Democratic Governor and close to 40-45 % voted Kerry for President. More and more middle and working class are "waking up." In small increments it is getting better. Thank Goodness also that I have my friends to help me deal with the arrogance of some of these folks. I'm far from righteous but, unlike most of these people, I know what it's like to work a minimum wage job and continue to appreciate the people who must continue to do so.

[rhett o rick]

72. Figure out why so many people followed Hitler and you will know.

Most Americans want to be on the winning side. And the Reich Wing is kicking butt.
Supporting the troops means to those with the bumper stickers, "not saying any thing bad about the war". They don't give a s*** about the troops living or dieing, or if they have equipment or medical supplies. They turn a blind eye when the Neocons (and lackey Repub's) turn down much needed money for injured vets. As long as they have their SUV's in the driveway, they are happy. Many call themselves Christians. They disgust me.

[theHandpuppet]

73. One issue: reproductive choice

The Cincy area has a large, conservative Catholic population and is under more pressure to vote single-issue than voters in the eastern 2nd, which is predominately Protestant and poor. Schmidt ran on a rabidly anti-choice platform and won in counties whose median income is 96-116% that of the national average; IOW, they could afford to make this election hinge on a single-issue vote against choice.

[progressoid]

74. Because they want the 10 commandments in every class room...nt

[kentuck]

75. Because they talk the talk but don't walk the walk...

They don't give a shit about the vets. They only care about how they can use the vets for political gain.

[WMliberal]

77. poor voter turnout.

[AmandaRuth]

78. after all this it is either Big Church

or very rich people who lust after money so much they are willing to let a theocracy take over, to protect their tax cuts. Or people who listen to hate media 24/7.