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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:41 AM
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Want some REAL GOOD news: Congress 2006
Edited on Fri Aug-05-05 12:43 AM by autorank
Well, we already know that Hackett "lost" 52-48%
(but probably won) in a 70-30% Bush-Kerry white, conservative
district.  

Now here's the kicker.  From PollingReport.Com:

 Democracy Corps Poll conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner
Research (D). July 19-25, 2005. N=1,001 likely voters
nationwide. MoE ± 3.1.

"I know it is far ahead, but thinking about next year's
elections, if the election for U.S. Congress were held today,
would you be voting for the Democratic candidate or the
Republican candidate in your district where you live?"
					
 	 	 Republican  Democrat  	Other  Unsure  	
		% 	% 	% 	% 	
	7/19-25/05 	41 	48 	2 	9 	
	6/20-26/05 	43 	48 	1 	8 	
	5/17-23/05 	43 	48 	1 	8 	
	4/13-19/05 	42 	47 	1 	10 	
	3/15-21/05 	45 	46 	1 	9 	
	2/13-17/05 	44 	46 	1 	10 	
	1/16-20/05 	43 	48 	2 	8 
-------------------------------------------------------

Is this sweet or what?  We're up 7 points.  The Hackett
numbers are a reflection of a national trend.  If our
congresional leaders trow away their "pink tutu's",
we'll kick some you now what.

Let's get serious about making the Republicans follow every
single election rule and let's make sure we've got observers
at the precinct level, the tabulation centers, and at key
meetings.  

SUNLIGHT melts Republican margins and restores order to the
universe. 
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:44 AM
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1. Here's to hoping!!
Remember though anything can happen from now until then. Nothing surprises me anymore so I'm basically taking everything day by day.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:47 AM
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2. "One day at a time" & "Some victories starting some time soon!"
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
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safi0 Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:48 AM
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3. 2 reasons
Why I would take this with a grain of salt. 1 this is a democratic pollster, but 2 looking at past months we've lead every single month but they Pukes still have a 29 seat majority
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:55 AM
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4. What our minds shall conceive,
Edited on Fri Aug-05-05 12:56 AM by FrenchieCat
we CAN achieve!

We just need to work this day by day.....

Maybe at the end of the tunnel, we'll see some light.

But the Pukes will have some shitty trick up their sleeves...being the assholes that they are, you can count on it.

Pulling enough troops from Iraq just before the election to big Media fanfare, or trumping up some kind of Foreign policy "crisis"....

Bottomline is we must keep on fighting, like there is no tommorrow!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:59 AM
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5. That's right. In one of the presidential polls, Clark was at11% but
in the others, 5-6% I think he needs to keep upping his visibility, seeking more Democratic venues to speak and act, and then really hit the trail in a few months. There's no reason he can't surge. Hillary loses to McCain and Guillani (neither of whom will get nominated) but she'll lose to anybody...because...(well I'll be nice).

I don't think people even think Clark is a candidate or wants to be one. Assertiveness and that notice will "piump him up" real quick.

cya
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 01:12 AM
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8. All things in due time.....
2006 and 2008 will be war, so the General is busy doing the war planning.

We've got to come at this right....cause the corporate media ain't gonna like Clark running. This doesn't "work" for them.

Right now Clark is concentrating on the 2006 strategy......which is what he needs to concentrate on.

If we can retake some of the house and senate in 2006, and do what he can and fire up his supporters to support various candidates accross the nation that strategically need our assistance, that will bode better for him than anything else he could do for himself.

He'll be on Faux tomorrow morning at 10:30 a.m. (earlier and earlier....primetime Faux line-up scared to tango with the man)....

And he'll be blogging at the TMP cafe, table for one the last week of August.

He's currently working the Darfur issue among other things.

I think for the 2008 Campaign, Clark will have the right timing.....and Just like no-one had heard of Dean until the early part of 2003, Clark will make himself known to the masses when it is right.

The others are busy raising money, pandering and shifting to the right.....that ain't part of Clark's plan for right now. It ain't about him....it's about winning the war for our democracy...and that is how it should be.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 01:19 AM
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10. I'm hanging out here more. Now I can sleep peacefully.
I love this line, and it's so accurate: "The others are busy raising money, pandering and shifting to the right..." Shifting to the right, when people wand a liberal/populist/ass-kicker who owns 30 guns! These are all good points. It does not make sense to be out front, the media just trashes you all the time if you are a Democrat. And the Faux gig, that's brilliant. He's scoring big on that one...a "man of the people" not afraid to speak up. He's so hot!!!!!
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 01:02 AM
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6. the only problem is
diebold
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 01:14 AM
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9. Yep...that's a big fucking problem.....
But if we do things right, we can get something out of these up looking polls!

But yeah....that's like a mountain that we've gotta figure out how to climb.

Don't seem that we can rely on congress to do anything on that score.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 01:20 AM
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11. Hey buddy, you know I kno that!!!! Check youir PM in a minute.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 07:33 AM
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15. two more problems
sequoia. es&s.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 08:39 AM
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16. SUNLIGHT and a LOT OF NOISE. That's what we can do now.
There are bills in the states for verified paper ballots but that's not enough. We need full transparency.

Basically, local Democratic party folks, Greens, Libertarians, etc. need to go theor Boards, ask how things work and how they get to watch. When they get rebuffed, they need to keep going back and to their local reps in the state/local government and say, 'hey, we want to participate' 'watch', wtf.

Republicans cannot "oursource" our elections. Those are public property. The process must be transparent.

If we do enough of this, we'll scare the crap out of them. Let them 'fix' 2006 with these numbers. There will be demonstrations like they've never seen.

We also need more whistle blowers.

Great point, though.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 09:16 PM
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22. love this line!
SUNLIGHT melts Republican margins and restores order to the universe.

I keep thinking that we need to have our own polling to compare to the polling reported by the media. We release all the data in real time---Sunlight, sunlight, sunlight! No secret manipulations... Added pressure on their polling and counting to be accurate.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 01:09 AM
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7. Keep that gap widening.
The further apart, the better.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 01:57 AM
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12. I hate to point out bad news, but polls were like this before 04 election
But people vote for their particular representatives rather than the party as a whole. Check out Rasmussen reports or older polls on pollingreport.com. I think you'll find Dems out performed Republican in similar polls in the months leading up to the 04 election, but the polls
on particular candidates were more favorable to Republicans.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 08:41 AM
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17. imenja, "What's cookin'?" I wondered where you were.
Yes....BUT, look at Hackett. That's a 70-30 race 9 months ago, against us. He was unapologetic in opposing Iraq and didn't hide on the stupid anti gay stuff. Just put it to them. Clark-Dean are the models now. If we look like we care, i.e., we fight for our positions, even all white, conservative districts will get the positive message. These Ohio numbers are tied into the larger 48-41 numbers. You are right, we have to "close" this deal!
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 09:52 AM
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20. that was very encouraging
I agree. There is hope for Democratic victory, but the party needs to articulate an alternative, positive message.

My computer blew up in a puff of smoke, which is why I wasn't on the site for a while.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:40 AM
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21. You're right -- "alternative, positive message" strongly stated, don't ..
back down. I think that's the key, DO NOT BACK DOWN. Change your mind when you should but, DEM candidates, stop being panzies, wimps, 'reasonable" to the point of nausea.

On that computer thing, stop putting it in the microwave to get rig of the "humidity." Never works out.

:hi:
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 02:00 AM
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13. Good news, and no surprise, really....
Edited on Fri Aug-05-05 02:01 AM by Ojai Person
Ever since I quit believing that Karl Rove spoke the truth, I realized the American people are actually smarter than he asserts with his twisting the facts in superficially clever efforts to find excuses for the sudden, inexplicable reversal in Bush's and many other Republican nut jobs' numbers on the night of 11/2/04. It never fails to amaze me, however, how many supposedly educated "liberals" drink Rove Kool Aid. They may be calling for his resignation, but they are still working from a Rove-based operating system when they believe the American people want Republicans in power.

No doubt, there are still plenty of two-dimensional beings who still think it makes them superior to vote Republican, or who believe in the Rapture and thus that Bush and Cheney are godly beings, or who haven't yet awakened to the likelihood that the antiChrist in the myth they've been soaking up is the Republican White House, or some who haven't yet discovered that FOX is propaganda central. But these are never as many as Minister of Disinformation Rove would have us believe. Many of these Bush-supporting Republicans are loud mouthed bullies who make a lot of noise for their size, and others maybe still must cling to the belief that the loss of limb, life, and sanity in Iraq has a noble purpose. But the numbers of these believers are dwindling daily. They were not a majority on 11/2/2004, and they are becoming less and less of one now.

This is a fact of nature because,

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Thus time is always against those whose main strategies depend on full-frontal lying.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 08:43 AM
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18. Right and these numbers come when the macro view on the economy
is not that bad. I know there's lots of pain but it's not like a really sinking economy is driving the numbers. It's like Nixon second term, not that bad but people really wake up to the sickness.

Rock on!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 05:19 AM
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14. Hey, what do you have against balerinas?
Just kidding - that IS good news!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 08:43 AM
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19. haha.."I know balerinas, balerinas are friends of mine, and Dems are
no balerinas."
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