Embryonic Stem Cells

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Republicans and other "right-to-lifers" think they are derived from aborted fetuses.

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Dumbasses.

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1. Oh I love the partial-birth abortion stories they tell. Hannity claimed

he has seen film where they pulled an infant out, crying and screaming and kicking, obviously would have lived outside the womb. Then the physician inserted a hard tube into the lower back of the skull at the brain stem. Then they crush in the infant's skull and suck out all the gray matter.

If he sat and watched this happened, then he witnessed a murder, and if he did not notify the authorities, then he is an accessory.

A partial birth abortion does not involve a viable fetus outside the womb. The fetus did not survive in the womb. They are not viable infants that women suddenly decide they don't want because they wanted a girl, etc.

They are so stupid that they actually expect people to believe it. Problem is . . . their sheeple do.

Plus, if they are so concerned about the frozen cells that eventually get thrown out in the end due to in vitro fertilization, then they should outlaw in-vitro fertilization. Do you see that happening? I don't. Reason being is because that would affect a lot of Republicans trying to have children of their own. If it affects them, and their rich friends in any way, they do nothing about it.

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3. "... then they should outlaw in-vitro fertilization"

Nail hit squarely on the head!
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Their hypocritical stupidity is mind-blowing.

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2. Yeah, that was my impression...

...after browsing a recent FR thread about this here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1986511

Some seem to think that scientists need to take them from the womb, instead of a petri dish. Scary.

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4. this is an issue that could split Republicans into two camps

I have talked to many Repubs about the recent article in "National Geographic"on stem cells. MANY of them feel that this is too promising a field of research and that the restrictions need to be loosened. Too many people know someone who could be helped by this. This is not like abortion,and many of them know it. If anyone missed it,the article appeared in the July 2005 issue.

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5. The thing about it is, is that a lot of people think that Bush is saying

that no one can use new stem cells for research . . Well, if they want government money for research they can't.

Our scientists, with private funding, can do whatever research they want. But they want the big bucks research money.

[left hand man]

6. maybe that's the point--- only the feds can throw the big bucks at it

And get faster results

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7. Exactly right

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[frankly_fedup2]

8. Especially this administration . . . they are good about throwing

"our" money where ever "they" want it.

As for outlawing in-vitro . . .never gonna happen. Even though, sometimes a woman has up to 10 eggs put in her at one time (you have heard of those women that have liters, up to 8 I think has been the most), because each time they do the procedure, it's like $10,000.00. It's rare for all of the fertilized eggs to attach to the uterine wall. (Which to me raises another questions for the Repubs. Does life begin at conception (in their opinion), or when the fertilized egg attaches itself to the uterine wall? Because there are probably an insurmountable amount of fertilized eggs that come out with the uterine wall (menses). So a woman can be carrying a fertilized egg; however, if it does not attach to that uterine wall, it comes out with everything else. So there is conception but there is no birth. Really confuses them.)

Also, ask them why these women, who have the in-vitro fertilization agree at the beginning that if all the eggs do attach, then they realize down the road, they may have to pick and choose the more viable fetuses to keep and agree for the doctors to abort the smaller, less likely to survive ones. Those that have the litters obviously did not do what they had promised, and by not doing that, each one of those 8 babies are premature and have less a chance of living a normal life. Some have breathing and asthmatic problems due to low birth weight while others problems show up later as learning disabilities, some have to still eat their food through a tube in their stomach because of malformations, etc. (This is just one example of possibilities).

I asked my friend, who votes Republican ONLY because she believes abortion is murder and that someone has to try and save the babies. I asked her about what goes on with in-vitro fertilization, the trashing of left over fertilized eggs, the abortions that take place there as well, the unbelievable chances they take delivering up to 8 babys, etc. She ho-hums and says well that's not right either but people can only do so much. She has never been able to conceive with her husband and they have no children.

I told her if they are closing the abortion clinics, they need to close the fertilization clinics as well as the hospitals. There are abortions performed in hospitals everyday. People do not realize this but they are done quietly (especially in small towns without any kind of clinic).

Lots of times the abortion clinic is within the fertilization clinic. Now that to me is a little warped.