Clark Clealand 08?

[DanCa]

I have been kicking around this ticket in the back of my head for awhile now. What do you think? yay or nay.

[usregimechange]

1. If Obama gets to be AG.

[SunDrop23]

2. I like Clark/Clinton or Clark/Edwards better right now...

My mind is subject to change.

Barak for Secy of State.
Edwards as AG in a Clark/Clinton administration.

[election_2004]

16. Um, Clark wouldn't NEED Clinton...

She would just add baggage as his V.P.

If Clark is the nominee and considers picking a woman as his running mate, his top choices should be: Kathleen Sebelius (Governor of Kansas), Debbie Stabenow (Michigan U.S. Senator), and Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (Governor of Louisiana).

[LittleClarkie]

3. I thought Cleland was thinking of running in Georgia

for LG or something.

[Dr Fate]

6. Cleland was the hero of many Georgia school kids in the 1980's...

He is still quite popular in GA- despite the '02 smear campaign...

He really has a way of engaging folks- and people dont forget him- LG or Guv would be awesome.

[DanCa]

7. Do you have any contact info?

I am a disabled person and Max is my personal hero. When things get bad for me I just tell my self what he must go thru on a daily basis. The man is truly amazing and that's what probably promoted my little pipe dream.

[Dr Fate]

8. No- I dont know how to contact him.

I met him at a YD function several years ago and at another party function in Richmond County- he was popular even when he was Sec of State in GA in the '80s-when I was in the 7th grade...

Perhaps you can contact him through one of his vet groups or somthing? Does anyone know?

[Dr Fate]

4. His health is delicate- but I would support that.

Max is a great guy- I've met him and he is really good at making people feel good.

[jobycom]

5. I don't like it, but I don't like Clark as a candidate to begin with

He doesn't strike me as a Democrat. More of a neutral, like Powell, who is aligning with the Dems now for reasons of ambition. He's not a bad guy, I just don't trust him to be loyal to Democratic ideals, since I don't think that's what he's about.

Clinton, Gore and Kerry are my top picks. But I'm waiting to see who else hops in the ring. Clark, Dean and Biden aren't on the list at all for me, for different reasons.

[LandOLincoln]

9. So are you saying Clark is pulling the wool over the eyes

of men like George McGovern, Michael Moore, Andrew Young--all of whom endorsed him for president in 2004?

[jobycom]

10. I'm saying what I said

I can make up my own mind.

[xkenx]

11. The "Duck" Principle

Ducks don't wear signs labeling them ducks. If it has a ducksbill, waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, then you know it's a duck.

Wes Clark is one of the Democratic Party's foremost progressives by virtue of his actions over the years, not by any labels that people want to throw at him simply because he had a career in the military.
It is time to appreciate just how lucky we are to have this national treasure. Just a few items:

--Clark was always butting heads with the stereotypical "macho" military Neanderthals because he saw the horrors of war firsthand in Vietnam and always espoused "diplomacy first."
--Clark was one of the leaders of the all-volunteer Army created after the Vietnam debacle. To keep personnel in you had to do a good job of providing for their family needs, health, education, equal opportunity.
--Clark actually won environmental awards at bases under his command.
--When Clark was working at the Pentagon in the mid-90s, he was virtually the only voice crying out to intervene in Rwanda.
--It was Clark's voice, along with Madeline Albright, who persuaded the Clinton Admin., over the objections of the Pentagon, to stop the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. Tell the Kosovar Albanians that Wes Clark isn't a liberal, progressive, humanitarian.
--It was Wes Clark's voice prior to the Iraq invasion who urged that we exhaust all possible diplomatic means before any military action, including in testimony to Congress.
--It was Wes Clark who filed an Amicus Curiae brief in the University
of Michigan affirmative action case.

Since when is it some kind of a black mark for someone to give to his country by serving in the military if he does so in a principled manner? Wes Clark felt that he could make the most impact by providing a progressive voice to that institution.

As for voting for Nixon and Reagan, he did so 20-30 years ago, simply because he felt they were strong on national security. Clark discovered that the modern Republican Party is so different they wouldn't have Nixon, and maybe not even Reagan. Clark evolved to where he started voting for Democrats, and then officially registering as a Democrat after registering as Independent for many years. Reagan WAS a democrat prior to running for Gov. of California. Are any Democrats wanting to say that Reagan, in his later years was a Democrat, simply because he started out that way?

So I'd have to say Wes Clark is my Democrat, liberal, progressive "DUCK" because he has proved it.

[jobycom]

13. Who are you talking to?

That's a nice summary of something, I guess, but it has nothing to do with what I said.

[CarolNYC]

14. Maybe you need to read ken's post again...

It may not be what you wanted to hear but I think his list of ways that Wes Clark has acted on Democratic ideals even as he was part of an institution that is seen as mostly conservative is a direct answer to your statement that you "don't trust him to be loyal to Democratic ideals."

What exactly am I missing here?

[xkenx]

15. Carol NYC

Thanks for you "More Succinct Than I Was" support.
Some people just have blinders on or agendas of their own and wouldn't recognize or acknowledge things it they fell from the sky and hit them on the head, but we keep trying. That's why Wes Clark's supporters are the most dedicated; we have discovered what it means to have this national treasure working for Democrats and for all of us.

[CarolNYC]

19. I hear ya, xkenx

I think some come here and throw out these comments but aren't expecting to have them rebutted in a reasoned and reasonable way...and then when they get an answer they don't expect, they either attempt to divert the discussion or jump ugly.

But, no worries, for the most part I think that Dems are open minded and intelligent people. Remember, the truth is on our side. :)

[Sparkly]

12. I think that'd be great!! n/t

[BrotherBuzz]

17. I'm in if Al Sharpton gets appointed Press Secretary

:)

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

18. ROFL n/t