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Quote: THE ONLY EVIDENCE you need that President Bush is losing the "war on terror" is this: On Sunday, the foreign minister of Saudi Arabia said that relations with the United States "couldn't be better."
Damned if he is damned if he isn't is the way I see it from the left. But that is typical with their lack of any ideas or ideals other than being against anything the Republicans stand for.
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Tell that to the parents of those who have died in two wars defending this corrupt spawning ground of violent extremism. Never mind the ugly facts: We are deeply entwined with Saudi Arabia even though it shares none of our values and supports our enemies.
The Saudi government is not funding the terrorist it is the religious factions within the country are. This is akin to the same situation that the United States is experiencing as well; namely in New York, Oregon, and Los Angeles. We know that extremists are voicing ideas in confliction with American ideals and preaching jihad on American soil but with the freedom of speech that is provided in this country unless they are caught acting on this speech there is little to nothing that our Government can do to people legaly within the country, especially American citizens.
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Yet on Friday, Bush's father and Vice President Richard Cheney made another in a long line of obsequious American pilgrimages to Riyadh to assure the Saudis that we continue to be grateful for the punishment they dish out.
The Saudi Government is not dishing out any punishment. We don't blame the state of Michigan for the actions of doctor Kervokian (sp?). We don't blame California for Helter Skelter, ect. al. They are the actions of individuals within our society.
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"The relationship has tremendously improved with the United States," Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al Faisal told a news conference in Riyadh. "With the government, of course, it is very harmonious, as it ever was. Whether it has returned to the same level as it was before in terms of public opinion , that is debatable."
Once again **** if he does, **** if he don't.
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Well, score one for public opinion. It makes sense to distrust the mercenary and distasteful alliance between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. We protect the repressive kingdom that spawned Osama bin Laden, and most of the 9/11 hijackers, in exchange for the Saudis keeping our fecklessly oil-addicted country lubricated.
Saudi Arabia is the first islamic country in the middle east to willingly and freely accept open elections for government positions. It may not be to the extent that most Americans prefer, including myself, but it is a step in the right direction which is more than can be said for the rest of the region other than Israel.
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Yes, it has stuck deep in the craw of many of us Americans that after 9/11, Washington squandered global goodwill and a huge percentage of our resources invading a country that had nothing to do with Al Qaeda, while continuing to pander to this dysfunctional dynasty. After all, Saudi Arabia is believed to have paid Bin Laden's murderous gang millions in protection money in the years before 9/11, and it lavishly funds extremist religious schools throughout the region that preach and teach anti-Western jihad.
BS. The Facts do not support this. Iraq was home to atleast 13 known terrosrist training camps. More than any other middle eastern country other than Iran and Afghanistan. Iraq is also much more stratigically positioned in the region than that of Iran and also since 1993 did not have nearly the military capabilities that Iran currently has. Common sense in military matters would dictate that this would be our most important stratigic point of entry with the least amount of resistance for further military campaigns in the War on Terrorism. I wouldn't expect a liberal college professor, who most likely has absolutly nol formal military training to comprehnd this fact.
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"Al Qaeda found fertile fundraising ground in the kingdom," noted the 9/11 commission report in one of its many careful understatements. The fact is, without Saudi Arabia, there would be no Al Qaeda today.
Proof? Or is the author just pulling this out of thin air. I tend to think this thin/hot air from a liberal who is simply atagonistic towards the Bush administration.
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Our president loves to use the word "evil" in his speeches, yet throughout his life he and his family have had deep personal, political and financial ties with a country that represents everything the American Revolution stood against: tyranny, religious intolerance, corrupt royalty and popular ignorance. This is a country where women aren't allowed to drive and those who show "too much skin" can be beaten in the street by officially sanctioned mobs of fanatics. A medieval land where newspapers routinely publish the most outlandish anti-Semitic rants. A place where executions are held in public, torture is the norm in prison and the most extreme and expansionist version of Islam is the state religion.
The Royal Saudi Family has between 200 and 300 "official" members. I'm sure that if we went through anyone of our extended families on this board we would have more than enough to be bashful about.
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It's hard to see how Saddam Hussein's brutal and secular Iraq was worse than the brutal theocracy run by the House of Saud. Yet one nation we raze and the other we fete. Is it any wonder that much of the world sees the United States as the planet's biggest hypocrite?
Funny I haven't seen any reports of mass graves or massive gassing of Saudi disidents in the last 2 decades; I have however seen numerous confirmed reports of such actions from the Hussein regime.
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As insider books by former White House terrorism advisor Richard Clarke, journalist Bob Woodward and others have recounted, punishing Saudi Arabia in any way for its long ideological and financial support of terrorism was not even on the table in the days after 9/11. Instead, within hours of the planes hitting the towers, the powerful neoconservatives in the White House rushed to use the tragedy as an excuse for a long-dreamed invasion of Iraq.
Yes lets slit our throat with the oil supply so gas can go to $5 a gallon instead $2.50 as though the democrats haven't wined enough about that already.
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Meanwhile, after two wars to make the Middle East safe for the Saudis, wars that cost hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars and thousands of American lives, the price of oil is soaring — up 42% from just a year ago. Good thing we just passed a pork-laden energy bill that will do little to nothing to ease our crushing — and rising — dependence on imported oil. Federal officials project that by 2025, the U.S. will have to import 68% of its oil to meet demand, up from 58% today.
Two whole years??? Jeebus thank God we didn't have people with sort of spine during the revolution or the Civil War or we A) wouldn't have a country and B) you would still picking cotton in the south or cleaning a kitchen for minimum wage in Illinois.
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There are those who argue that the best rationale for invading Iraq was to ease our dependence on Saudi Arabia's massive oil fields, which might allow for a more rational or moral relationship. Yet the dark irony is that with Iraq in chaos and its oil flow limited by insurgent attacks and a bungled reconstruction, Saudi Arabia is now more important to the United States than ever.
Not on this board I have never heard this argument so it's irrelevant to the conversation at hand.
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It's scary, but these gaping contradictions don't seem to trouble our president a whit.
The only thing contradictive I see here is the author and the facts.
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As the drumbeat of devastating terrorist attacks in Baghdad, London and elsewhere continue, Bush prattles on — five times in a speech last Wednesday — about his pyrrhic victories in the "war on terror." This is a sorry rhetorical device that disguises the fact that the forces of Islamic fanaticism in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere in the world are stronger than ever.
In war you lose battles that does ot mean that the war is over!!! If that were the case WWII would have been over in Europe before it even began.
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