Giuliani leads McCain in GOP nominee poll -- then Condi, Frist

[DeepModem Mom]

Wolf interviewing Giuliani on CNN. Rudy is ahead of McCain among Republicans in a new CNN/USAToday/Gallup poll (followed by Condi with 19 percent, and Frist in the single digits). Rudy was polling 27 percent, and McCain 24 percent. I missed the first part of the interview, but I heard Wolf asking Rudy about his polling first, when he is pro-choice, etc. I hope, at the least, that two of the more moderate Repubs polling ahead at this point is a hopeful sign for our country.

[WI_DEM]

1. I don't think Rudy can get the GOP nomination

Also, if Rudy is the nominee there goes the "values" crowd. Rudy would make Bill look like a choir boy. Here is a guy who was having an affair with his second wife while his first wife and kids were living in Gracie Mansion and he was shacked up with the woman who became his second wife in some little apartment. You bet the Dems better make it an issue--they would had it been Bill who did that.

[racaulk]

6. Another turn-off for the "values" crowd

If my memory serves me, Rudy is in support of gay marriage, and you know the fundies can't have that! It would be entirely too easy for the other Repuke hopefuls to smear him on that point alone, much less for his infidelity.

[Eric J in MN]

16. I predict that if Rudy Giuliani is the candidate, the Democratic

candidate and DNC will say nothing about him cheating on his wife, and the Democratic candidate will tell any group who does talk about it to be quiet.

I'm basing this on John Kerry telling MoveOn to stop running ads criticizing George W. Bush for going AWOL, and Michael Dukakis firing a campaign worker who said that George H. W. Bush was adulterous.

[mark11727]

18. Nah. Leave it to "Swift Mistresses for Truth" to broach the subject.

[Eric J in MN]

19. And then the Democratic candidate will say that the

"Swift Mistresses for Truth" ads are gutter politics and should be taken off the air.

[DeepModem Mom]

20. LOL!

[gokar]

33. So you are saying having a steady relationship outside of marriage

which ultimately lead to 2nd marriage and ending of the 1st "unhappy"
marriage is worse than a sexual realtionship in the oval office?

I don't think Rudy has shown to be a constant philanderer the way
Bill has. Just imagine how great Bill's presidency would have been
sans Monica Lewinsky.

[Princess Turandot]

40. When Giuliani left Gracie Mansion in his separation from Donna Hanover..

he first bunked in with 2 openly gay men who were friends of his. I think one of them was a prominent NY real estate developer but I might be wrong abt that. But they were definitely gay. I think that might play worse than his moving in with his girlfriend at the time!

[GoBruins]

2. me either

I don't think Rudy can get the nomination as well. However you never know with the current GOP.

[stray cat]

4. Welcome to DU!

[wryter2000]

5. Welcome to DU

:hi:

From a California Golden Bear

[GoBruins]

7. Thanks!

Thanks for the nice welcome! :) I've actually been lurking here for a very long time, since the 2004 primaries. I figured it was about time I started posting!

[MintOreoCookie]

14. Are you from Boston?

Just asking because of your name.

[GoBruins]

15. No but I like Boston!

No, I'm from Los Angeles. I'm going to UCLA this fall, and we're the Bruins.

[MintOreoCookie]

23. Okay.

I had never heard that any other team was called the Bruins.

Are you starting college or grad school?

[wryter2000]

25. Look like you're new, too

:hi: Welcome.

[MintOreoCookie]

43. :)

:hi:

[MintOreoCookie]

10. Rudy probably won't be able to get it

He is pro-choice and the evangelicals and religious right people will not want someone who is, what they label as, pro-abortion.

[DeepModem Mom]

27. Mint! Welcome to DU, too!

[MintOreoCookie]

44. This is the most welcoming message board

Thanks to everyone for giving me a warm welcome.

[DeepModem Mom]

21. Adding another welcome, GoBruins!

[racaulk]

3. Question about Frist

He has decided to vacate his Senate seat to seek out to Repuke nomination for President. If his polling results remain as dismal as this, or if he fails to get the nomination, can he still run for reelection as Senator in Tennessee? Is it too late for him to do that?

[napi21]

22. I don't think it's too late legally, but it is politically.

Frist said, when he was first running, that he would only serve 2 terms and quit. He's been braging about that ever since, and I doubt he'll be able to go back on THAT, since he's already being slammed for supporting the stem cell bill.

[liberalnurse]

8. McCain sold his soul to the devil

and still gets fucked......:rofl:

[DeepModem Mom]

11. Yep -- think he may be kicking himself that he crawled in bed...

with the folks who, with impunity, savaged his wife and family in South Carolina?

[liberalnurse]

13. It sure makes me smile.

He knew the swift-liars were liars! He whored himself out with *bush and company and now they leave him in the holding cell....waiting to mandate him for their bidding down the road.

[applegrove]

9. yeah but Rudy is not as popular in his own home state.

[DELUSIONAL]

12. more morally bankrupt candidates

never mind -- the secret selection of the next candidate has already been made by the men who are pulling the string.

The candidate will be as dumb as bushie -- someone who will strut and posture and go around reading approved words -- just like bushie.

Unless McCain or Guiliani is willing to be a puppet -- and take endless vacations and let others be the "real" Prez.

[DeepModem Mom]

17. Malleability is why my guess is Condi, anointed by Rove.

Also, Rove likes to use minorities for his own purposes, fostering an image of progressivism and inclusiveness.

[napi21]

24. I don't think Condi stands a chance in the South.

Yea, I know, I live in Ga. and I hate that racism is still alive and well, but it is. It's much worse in some other states too!

I'm an old white female who was born in Pa. and I never knew what real racism was until we moved to SC in 1987. From personal experience, I can tell you, Condi could never win in GA, ALA, MS, SC, TX or AR.

I once suggested (way back in 1998) that Colin Powell would be a great candidate. I was verbally flogged!!! And it was by some white relatives in NJ! The quote was "the US is NOT ready for a black man as pres." You know, up until that comment, I never even thought of POwell as being black...just a smart man who seemed to have honesty and integrity.

[Bluebear]

26. Love shack, bayyyybeeeee Ghouliani

Bring him on.

[DeepModem Mom]

28. LOL!

[Jai4WKC08]

29. It's only name recognition this early

Same for Repubs as for Dems.

The same poll for us came in Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, Biden, Clark. In that order.

[Auntie Bush]

30. Proof that so many people are ignorant!

[Jai4WKC08]

31. Yes, they are ignorant

Worse, they know they are, and don't really care.

Right after the question about Repub and Dem candidates, the pollsters asked:

14. Thinking about the 2008 presidential election, which of the following best describes you?

Good idea about whom you will support 16%
Haven’t seriously considered who you will support 52%
Not paying much attention 31%
No opinion 1%

That's a full 83% who admit to not having "seriously considered" who they support or to not paying "much" attention at all. :shrug:

Ya know, if it were because they were thinking more about 2006, I could understand. But I'd be willing to bet fewer still know who's running or thinking about running for Congress next year than they do for president in three. Most probably don't even know who the incumbents are. :grr:

The full poll results are at this link:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/2005-08-08-august-poll.htm#iraq

[DanCa]

32. Is Giuliani still recieving communion though

Fair game question they grilled kerry over this. How come rudy gets away with it?

[Princess Turandot]

41. I believe that technically speaking, as a divorcee he should not be...

permitted to receive communion. That applies to all divorced Catholics I think. The business with Sen. Kerry related to a few grandstanding bishops.

I'm sure that there are priests who distribute communion to congregants in their parishes whom they know are divorced, since it's a policy which no one runs around policing, and the priests could personally disagree with it.

Interestingly, I noticed that at last year's midnight Mass on Christmas eve televised from St. Pats in NYC, that Giuliani was not present.They put the pols in the first row. Bloomberg was there, as was Koch who probably attends more Masses than many a Catholic. Maybe Rudy was out of town or maybe he did not want to sit in the pew while Communion was distributed.

[leesa]

34. Criminals all...

[ISUGRADIA]

35. Call me crazy but I wonder if the gop fundis in the primary

will vote for the Ghoul when he dressed up like this once:

[DeepModem Mom]

36. That, ISUGRADIA, was quite an evening! Thanks for the pic. nt

[ISUGRADIA]

37. You are welcome. Yes, Rudy was quite fetching

And I also wonder what the repub activists will think of the fact that he lived with a gay couple (gasp!) when he wife and him were getting ready to part ways.

[Stinky The Clown]

38. I actually think Rudy COULD get the Repub nomination

If they think he'll win, they'll let him run. Hypocrisy means nothing to those people. It is about winning and power.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

39. Better Guilianni than the neocon nutjobs, IMHO.

Of course it wouldn't surprise me if Rudy flips on abortion and gay marriage to get the fundie vote in the primaries.

[cleveramerican]

42. its going to be a free for all

there's a long road between here and there and I think you'll see a few more interested Republicans get into this before the favorite can be named.