Curt Weldon (Lying Asshole) On C-Span Blaming Clinton For 9-11

[Dinger]

Pedro is kissing his ass and most of the callers are pro-bu$h. Someone should call in and put him in his place!

[Dinger]

1. Good, Someone just Ripped Him Good! (nt)

[Connie_Corleone]

2. I guess this will be the talking point for the neocons today.

Weldon is really stressing the point that all of this happened during Clinton's administration.

[Supersedeas]

6. Blame Clenis, Ignore the News; Blame Clenis, Ignore the News; Blame Clenis

[Imagevision]

54. Main objective is to link Clinton name to Hillary for campaign purposes

They've started already with the book about her and this is just the beginning. Hill, must be a pretty serious threat to GOP.

[OneTwentyoNine]

3. As I've said a MILLION times over an over....

If Clinton did such a shit job on terrorism as these whacked out RW'ers claim then that should have been the FIRST priority of the incoming Bush administration. Yet nine months later we have 3,000 people killed.

Sounds to me like they thought Clinton did all he could...

[Dinger]

5. They Said Clinton Fabricated A War To Distract From Monica

They were fighting him. This is such complete bullshit!

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[XNASA]

13. Do you have any facts to back that up?

And please, next time post in English.

Thanks.

:patriot:

[mtnsnake]

15. Hope you enjoy your brief stay

[Dinger]

40. Ditto nt

[Catherine Vincent]

17. Welcome to DU!

Bush is the incompetent boob. Bush and his crew did nothing to prevent Sept. 11. Surely you know that?

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[WoodrowFan]

34. the Mods must be at lunch. (NT)

[SoCalifer]

19. Please allow me to educate this wingnut

President Clinton:

-- sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.

-- sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.

-- sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.

-- Developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Boston airport.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.

-- Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).

-- Brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.

-- Did not blame Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after they had left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.

-- Named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.

-- Tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.

-- Detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries

-- Created a national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.

-- Robert Oakley, Reagan Counterterrorism Czar says of Clinton's efforts "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama"

-- Paul Bremer, Bush's Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley saying he believed the Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden. "

-- Barton Gellman of the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort."







In stark contrast, here is part of the Bush-Cheney anti-terrorism record:


-- Backed off Clinton administration's anti-terrorism efforts.

-- Shelved the Hart-Rudman report.

-- Appointed new anti-terrorism task force under Dick Cheney. Group did not even meet before 9/11.

-- Called for cuts in anti-terrorism efforts by the Department of Defense.

-- Gave no priority to anti-terrorism efforts by Justice Department.

-- Ignored warnings from Sandy Berger, Louis Freeh, George Tennant, Paul Bremer, and Richard Clarke about the urgency of terrorist threats.

-- Halted Predator drone tracking of Osama bin Laden.

-- Did nothing in wake of August 6 C.I.A. report to president saying Al Qaeda attack by hijack of an airliner almost certain.

-- Bush - knowing about the terrorists' plans to attack in America, warned that terrorists were in flight schools in the US - took a four week vacation.

-- By failing to order any coordination of intelligence data, missed opportunity to stop the 9/11 plot as Clinton-Gore had stopped the millennium plots.

-- Blamed President Clinton for 9/11.

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[XNASA]

28. So you would take the word of a Sudanese government....

...who to this day is still promoting and in some instances committing genocide against it's own people?

Interesting.

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[XNASA]

42. Your response is a non sequitur.

I don't follow you.

[WoodrowFan]

30. RW Bizarro World

- Clinton's foreign policy was maintaining his approval ratings. This would include ineffective military strikes on terrorist targets and pharmaceutical factories.Actually they effectively gutted what was left of the Iraqi WMD programs, kept Bin Laden on the run and the intell on the Sudanese plant sure looked better at the time than Bush's bogus WMD info.

- Building his legacy would ruin his chances for any Nobel Peace prize. This would include ruling out any U.S. response to the killing of Americans on the U.S.S. Cole, since it might have jeopardized Clinton's end-of-term Middle East "peace" partnership with Yasser Arafat. The Cole bombers were caught and sentenced to death in Yemen. BTW, that occurred a couple months before Clinton left office so there wasn't a LOT of time to do anything, unless by "response" you mean attacking an unrelated target.

- Fighting the bad guys with that intimidating tool, the treaty designed to ban weapons and weapons testing. Let's not forget how this exercise in Realpolitik affected North Korea. They signed a treaty with Clinton to end weapons development in exchange for aid, which it began violating with about two minutes later.
Actually according to the inspectors they kept the agreement until * and company pissed off the North Koreans. Clinton's plan WORKED, your boy's FAILED>

- Shaping military-technology export policy to fit the demands of campaign contributors, both domestic and the illegal foreign kind. More RW BS. Actually the congressmen who pressured Clinton to lift restrictions were repuks and the only Chinese fundraiser who was ever apprehended was a repuk fundraiser.

- The Clinton administration turned down repeated offers from Sudan to hand over bin Laden to the U.S. because they didn't want him in a U.S. court. Again, BS. The Saudis turned him down and the US didn't have anything to change him with yet.

- The Clinton administration never took a look at offered Sudanese intelligence files, a database of names, movements and locations of bin Laden and hundreds of al Qaeda operatives. More BS, you read this in WorldNutDaily boy??


Sausage, pepperoni or plain cheese??

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[WoodrowFan]

38. I'm stunned

the logic and evidence in your post is beyond my poor mental capacity! It must have taken you HOURS to look all those facts for rebuttal!!

[SoCalifer]

41. **Sigh**

- Clinton's foreign policy was maintaining his approval ratings. This would include ineffective military strikes on terrorist targets and pharmaceutical factories.

Foreign policy maintaining his approval ratings? No, no, no.... "Its THE ECONOMY STUPID"

- Building his legacy would ruin his chances for any Nobel Peace prize. This would include ruling out any U.S. response to the killing of Americans on the U.S.S. Cole, since it might have jeopardized Clinton's end-of-term Middle East "peace" partnership with Yasser Arafat.

You have proof President Clinton sacrificed American lives for a Nobel Peace prize? Or is that just a tin-foil hat regurgitation from the dope addict Limpbaugh?

- Fighting the bad guys with that intimidating tool, the treaty designed to ban weapons and weapons testing. Let's not forget how this exercise in Realpolitik affected North Korea. They signed a treaty with Clinton to end weapons development in exchange for aid, which it began violating with about two minutes later.

What diatribe...

That treaty allowed us to monitor everything that was going on in reactor sites with cameras. But the moment Bushivek violated it, the North Koreians removed all monitoring.

And, talking about North Korea. Besides Bushivek, there's only ONE other person in the world stupid enough to think its a good idea to develop more nuclear weapons -- that would be Kim Jong Il. Two peas in a pod huh? Kim & Bushivek.

- Shaping military-technology export policy to fit the demands of campaign contributors, both domestic and the illegal foreign kind.

LMAO, you can't be serious? Do you have any idea how guilty your side is on this matter? All that military-technology is owned by righ wingnut cohorts of the Bushivek crime family. Hell, pop's is a big wig in the biggest contractor, the Carlyle group. Wanna guess how many millions and millions of Saudi money funded Bushivek? Money I might add comes from the terrorists country of Saudi Arabia, where Osama BinLaden is from. Where most all the hijackers are from. Where they openly hold money aid drives to support terrorist activities in Israel and other places, etc, etc....

- The Clinton administration turned down repeated offers from Sudan to hand over bin Laden to the U.S. because they didn't want him in a U.S. court.

BinLaden is a long time family friend and business partner of the Bushivek crime family, as well as a CIA creation. They taught him well didn't they? By the way, why hasn't Bushivek captured Osama yet? Why did he take the vast majority of the U.S. military away from the responsible party(s) of 9-11 and commit it to a cause and place that had nothing to do with 9-11?

Yeah, that's real slick. Let the guy who attacked us go, and go fix the facts around a policy to attack a country that had nothing to do with 9-11. And take the most support and solidarity our country has ever had from the world, and turn it into the most hated and despised condemnation our country has ever had from the world.

Yeah, good going Bushivek, you dumbass.

- The Clinton administration never took a look at offered Sudanese intelligence files, a database of names, movements and locations of bin Laden and hundreds of al Qaeda operatives.

You mean, Bushivek ignored or never took a look at the mountain of intelligence coming in from all over the world, warning of an imminent large terrorist attack by Osama upon the U.S......NYC to be specific...




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[MoonRiver]

31. These trolls are not educable. They're suffering from brain damage

or brain washing, take your pick. I don't know why his post is still visible though. :shrug:

[Norquist Nemesis]

27. Bullshit!

So, in your opinion, Bush has cleaned up Clinton's mess?

Nice. Another...oh forget it. It's not worth the time. Thanks for playing! Enjoy your stay!

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[Expose_Them]

43. And you think a brainless shithead like Bush is any better?

At least Clinton cared about justice for little people instead of the crooked and corrupt people of wealth and special priveledge.

[LSK]

45. JUST THE FACTS

http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/Clinton_and_Terrorism.html

Im sorry I have to spoil your party there, but you are dead wrong about Clinton.

[LSK]

48. MORE

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm

[SoCalifer]

47. Wingnuts are so stupid I swear

On one hand they shout that they are the party of small government, but yet on the other hand they worship their party leader who grows the government into the largest, most intrusive its ever been in history.

On one hand they shout that they are the party of State's rights, but yet on the other hand they worship their party leader who's domestic policies have trampled upon State's rights more than any other leader before him.

On one hand they shout that they are the party of morals and values, but yet on the other hand they worship their party leader who fixes the facts to support a policy to attack a nation and through conflict of interest, award no bid contracts to loot the treasury to line their own pockets.

On one hand they shout that they are the party of Lincoln, but yet on the other hand they worship their party leader who's ideas and policies concerning labor and equality rights are contrary to Lincoln's

I could go on.... But why waste my time on the ignorant when I can devote that time to advancing our more sincere and intelligent cause.




P.S. BTW vmoney, may I ask you a question? How come your ass isn't over helping out your commander and chief in Iraq? You know he's short handed over there, so how come you're not over there?




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[MintOreoCookie]

4. What is the point of blaming Clinton?

Does it serve any purpose except to take away any heat from Bush.

Bush received intelligence that bin Laden was planning an attack on us in the United States. Did he do anything? NOPE. He was too busy being on vacation.

[bunkerbuster1]

7. It probably focus-group tests well among the faithful

they need to hear that it was Clinton's fault every so often.

I can't think of any other point; anyone paying attention at the time of the 2000 elections knows damn well that international terrorism was NOT an issue Bush cared about. If Clinton had been dropping the ball, don't you think he would have made hay about it?

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[Puglover]

23. Self delete.

fed the troll. Sorry. My bad.

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[Norquist Nemesis]

29. Got a source for that charge?

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[Norquist Nemesis]

33. You made the charge Clinton had info bin Laden attacking

and you're now saying you were mocking? What a cowardly thing to do.

Bush received information that bin Laden was determined to attack inside the US. That is a documented fact.

Your 'mocking' is nothing but intentional disruption of the board. If you would like to discuss the merits of an argument or ideas, that's fine. You're welcome here. You've made it obvious that all you want is to stir up some shit.

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[oldcoot]

44. Do you blame the first President Bush for the first WTC attacks?

Since you seem to be fond of blaming Clinton for events that took place after he left office, do you blame Bush's father for the first WTC attacks. After all, President Clinton had only been in office for approximately a month when terrorists attacked the World Trade Center the first time.

[LSK]

49. Democracy DEMANDS we scrutinize our leaders

THE WHOLE BASIS OF THIS COUNTRY IS NOT TO LET LEADERS DO AS THEY WANT. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE CONSTITUION, THAT IS WHY WE FOUGHT A REVOLUTION, THAT IS WHY WE HAVE ELECTIONS, THAT IS WHY WE HAVE SEPERATION OF POWERS.

In AMERICA, it is your CIVIC DUTY to evaluate your leaders constantly.

That is why we have the RIGHT to criticize Bush.

As far as Clinton doing nothing, well that is a PROVEN LIE. If you want to attack Clinton for being toO chumy with the Bush's today, you will not get an argument, BUT DONT FUCKING LIE TO US WHEN THE FACTS SHOW HE TRIED TO FIGHT TERRORISM.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. See my thoughts on Lying Asshole Weldon here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1998639&mesg_id=1998733

[magellan]

9. Saw it, no big surprise they found a way to blame Clinton, turned it off

The Repukes will not investigate their own side at all, for anything. That leaves their reasons for anything they DO investigate highly suspect.

[xxqqqzme]

11. I have been re-reading Paul Thompson's

'The Terror Timeline' and ANY regressive, rabid rethug reactionary is full of shit! There were a number of actions proposed that were shut down by tenet! as lacking 'solid intelligence'. All that was done under clinton was ignored or treated as 'thanks kids but the grown-ups R here now and we know how 2 do this governing stuff'. unca dick & kindasleazy R the mega arrogant fuck-ups.

[MintOreoCookie]

12. Where can I find the terror timeline?

I'd like to read that. I feel like I know very little about what Clinton did about terrorism.

[xxqqqzme]

16. I found it @ B&N

but that was a few months ago - Paul Thompson and the Center for Cooperative Research - he was a poster here, would keep us up 2 speed w/ bits of info after 9/11 - don't know if he still posts) 'The Terror Timeline'; year by year, day by day, minute by minute: a Comprehensive Chronicle of the Road to 9/11 and America's Response.

[oldcoot]

46. You might find this link helpful

Check out http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm for more information.

[bluedog]

14. chairmanSubcommittee on Military Preparedness on 9/11

CIA knocks out Curt Weldon's "Ali" in 8th round
.............snip.......... and his secret Iranian source "Ali" -- who Weldon claims has offered information about the 9/11 attacks, the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden, and Iran's nuclear program:

But Weldon's allegations have infuriated CIA officials, including a veteran case officer who said he had met with the congressman's source four times in Paris.

"He's never given us any information that was the slightest bit credible," said Bill Murray, the CIA station chief in Paris when he met Weldon's source, an elderly Iranian who once served in the government of the shah of Iran. "This guy was a waste of my time and resources."
.....snip.......... all of the information being passed on by the man Weldon called "Ali" originated with another Iranian exile, Manucher Ghorbanifar, who had been identified by the CIA as a "known fabricator" since he served as an arms deal middleman in the Iran-contra affair.

Jennifer Millerwise, an agency spokeswoman, confirmed Murray's assertion that the Iranian's information had been assessed. "The CIA thoroughly pursued this issue and did so more than once," she said.

Sounds like "Ali" isn't even a "Chuck Wepner."


http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/001988.html



Remember that Wayne "Curt" Weldon was chairman of the House Subcommittee on Military Preparedness on 9/11. Congress is supposed to oversee the CIA and intelligence agencies. He dropped the ball before 9/11 and is now shifting the blame.

[samsingh]

24. curt you stupid moron - Clinton wasn't the President at 911

[Norquist Nemesis]

25. I knew it!!! The only way to nip this in the bud quick is ask

"Whose watch was 9/11 on?" Are they seriously trying to promote the idea that this highly classified information was unknown to the Bush Administration?

Clinton's team TOLD Bush's team that bin Laden/al Qaeda and terrorism needed to be Job #1. Bush's team, specifically Cheney who was in CHARGE of getting things coordinated with Condi and Rummy, not only put it on the back burner...they took it off the Goddamned stove!

[RamboLiberal]

50. Countdown debunked Weldon last night

OLBERMANN: Let‘s begin with “The Times”‘ report.

Between the dubious, nebulous sourcing, the fact that the 9/11 Commission says it looked into this program and didn‘t find anything, and that the story has been around for a couple months, but no news organization really had been willing to touch it until today, is there reason to be skeptical about this account in “The New York Times”?

KOHLMANN: Well, even if we were sure this account was actually true, it doesn‘t tell us anything really that earth-shattering. While we didn‘t know necessarily about any involvement or knowledge by U.S. agencies of Mohamed Atta‘s presence here in the U.S., we know that the CIA knew at least about two of the individuals mentioned here, Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaq al-Hamzi, before 9/11.

So, if the issue is whether or not U.S. government agencies knew about 9/11 hijackers as potential al Qaeda terrorists here in the U.S. before 9/11, we already knew the answer was yes. And the larger issue, of course, is, any time you have a story like this, you have to go back to the source. And the only named source is Representative Curt Weldon.

And, with all due respect, Representative Weldon does not have a particularly good history in terms of reporting information about terrorism. His latest book, which accuses Iran of being behind virtually everything terrorism-related since the World Trade Center bombing, is based upon material that is absolute propaganda and is 100 percent wrong. It is based upon sources that we relied upon for the Iran-Contra affair that have been discredited over a decade ago.

And I think, really, the most telling comment was from a CIA official, who took the unprecedented step, really, of coming out and directly saying that he had reviewed the accusations that Mr. Weldon made in his book and determined that they were not worth his time, that they were a waste of his time. And, unfortunately, I‘m concerned that this report may again be a waste of our time, the time of the American public, the time of 9/11 Commission investigators, and the time of FBI and CIA agents.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8895001/

Regnery published Weldon's book - does that clue everyone in?

[Catherine Vincent]

51. I sure would like to know why this freeper troll is still here.

Are the mods on vacation like Bush?

[Cassandra]

52. He's gone

POOF!

[Catherine Vincent]

53. About time.

Thanks mods! :hi: