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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:47 AM
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neo-cons not only lost Iraq; they lost Iran too ... (incredible article)
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 10:48 AM by welshTerrier2
the following article (long) provides an incredible understanding of how the neo-cons so badly miscalculated in Iraq and how that probably caused them to already fail in Iran ... this is one of the best articles i've ever read on the subject ... it's really worth taking the time to read it if you want to truly understand the geo-politics surrounding the war ...

source: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0810-20.htm

In 1998, neo-conservative theorist Robert Kagan enunciated what would become a foundational belief of Bush Administration policy. He asserted that "a successful intervention in Iraq would revolutionize the strategic situation in the Middle East, in ways both tangible and intangible, and all to the benefit of American interests."

Now, over two years after Baghdad fell and the American occupation of Iraq began, Kagan's prediction appears to have been fulfilled -- in reverse. The chief beneficiary of the occupation and the chaos it produced has not been the Bush administration, but Iran, the most populous and powerful member of the "Axis of Evil," and the chief American competitor for dominance in the oil-rich region. As diplomatic historian Gabriel Kolko commented: "By destroying a united Iraq under Hussein…the U.S. removed the main barrier to Iran's eventual triumph." <skip>

Two developments ended this brief moment of seeming triumph for Washington. As a start, American officials, feeling their oats, balked at the tentative terms negotiated by the Europeans because they did not involve regime change in Iran. This hard-line American stance gave the Iranian leadership no room to maneuver and stiffened their negotiating posture. <skip>

A second key development neutralized the American ability to turn its military might in an Iranian direction: the rise of the Iraqi resistance. During the several months after the fall of Baghdad, the Saddamist loyalists who had initially resisted the U.S. occupation were augmented by a broader and more resilient insurgency. As the character of the occupation made itself known, small groups of guerrillas began defending their neighborhoods from U.S. military patrols. These patrols were seeking out suspected "regime loyalists" from the Baathist era by knocking down doors, shooting whomever resisted, and arresting all men of "military age" in the household. As the resistance spread, its various factions became more aggressive and resourceful. Over the next year, it blossomed into a formidable and complex enemy that the U.S. Army -- to the surprise of American officials in Washington and Baghdad -- did not have the resources to defeat. It was, then, the swiftly growing Iraqi resistance that, by preventing the consolidation of an American Iraq, forced an Iranian campaign off the table and back into the shadows where it has remained to this day.

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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:03 AM
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1. parallels this article than ran here on DU
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/05/08/03_enemy.html

our country is being run by incompetent ideologues, and they are ruining us :cry:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:05 AM
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2. They live for constant war. They have NO desire for peace or true
democracy. Anywhere.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:07 AM
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3. Are they really "incompetent"? They do a *great* job of making enemies.
Think about who benefits from all these "rogue nations" and "terrorists" that have popped out of the woodwork during Bush & Co's reign...

As they say, "Follow the money."

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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:27 AM
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5. you mean like record oil profits ??
this has always been about oil, petrodollars and gaining regional control in the Middle East to protect "their", not American interests ... it is both imperialism and treason to the highest degree ... that was the motivation to invade Iraq ...

but still, i think they badly screwed up ... i think Cheney's "we're going to nuke Iran" is little more than the reaction of a child who has been denied a toy he really wanted ... well, not exactly ... more like a cranky child with a nuclear arsenal at his disposal ...

i really wonder whether the American people and the Democratic Party will awaken in time ... i'm afraid the bad guys are laying all the groundwork and we've seen nothing but silence from the Democrats regarding Iran ...

they've got to start talking to Americans about this before it's too late ...
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:01 AM
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10. but also ruined their own objectives in the process too: irony check
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:12 AM
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4. Neocons with Likud alliance.
The problem is they always discount the humanity of those not alligned with their own tribe. Why would Iraqis be step-and-fetch-it to a American-Israeli game plan?
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:39 PM
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6. 1% of 22million is 220,000
who cares if 99% of Iraqiis support the American occupation, just 1% opposed is enough to create chaos. And probably at least 1/3 support the insurgency. No country wants to be occupied. Especially in the middle east. Miscalculate? They didn't miscalculate they are fucking morons.
After we occupied Germany and Japan we had their governments surrender AND WE SECURED THE FUCKING STOCKPILES OF WEAPONS. These fucking morons let the weapon's sites get looted. DUMBFUCKS!
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:07 PM
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7. a last chance ...
kick ... for the night crew ...
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:31 PM
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8. You Forgot N. Korea.
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 11:36 PM by Wizard777
While Bush was rabidly foaming at the mouth about WMD's in Iraq. N. Korea built between 1-100 nuclear missiles capable of reaching our west coast. Even Bush admitted that Iraq had no way of delivering the WMD's to America. But they were a threat to our M. E. Allies. N. Korea didn't even try to hide it. In fact they issued international press releases informing the world of every step they took. But something tells me that won't stop Condi from saying, "We didn't know."
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:59 AM
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9. It seems rather obvious that we only attack countries
who pose no credible threat.

Can you blame others for wanting to arm themselves to the teeth only to keep the bullies at bay?
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:22 AM
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11. I think Halliburton would disagree. They have done splendidly
They will do even better if we attack another country like maybe Syria or Iran or N. Korea. I doubt the latter two because they are more powerful but Syria is a real possibility and Halliburton (Dick Cheney) is drooling. We might intensify our efforts in Malaysia or the Philippines as well. Remember the GOP is All About War Profiteering
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