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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:31 PM
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Vietnam is back! Let's bring back the music too!
The Times They Are A-Changin'
Bob Dylan

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'.
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:34 PM
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1. For what it's worth, written by Steven Stills of Buffalo Springfield
There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 02:04 AM
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40. Yes-- one of my own musical pet peeves
Like when people cite Whitney Houston as the author of "I Will Always Love You" or Lenny Kravitz (gah!) as the author of "American Woman." Ugh-- nobody knows all the musical trivia of the past 30 years but please, please never attribute a classic by the Guess Who or Jimi Hendrix to a modern imitator (however talented he admittedly may be).
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:37 PM
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2. An Incomplete List of Songs About Vietnam
http://www.ksu.edu/english/nelp/vietnam_music.html

Where Have All the Flowers Gone?" PETER, PAUL & MARY (1962)

"Masters of War" BOB DYLAN (1963)

"Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues" BOB DYLAN (1963; commercial release, 1991)

"Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" PETE SEEGER (1963)

"The Times They Are A-Changin'" BOB DYLAN (1964)

"MLF Lullaby" and "Send the Marines" from TOM LEHRER's That Was The Year That Was (1965)

"Eve of Destruction" BARRY McGUIRE (1965)

"I-Feel-Like-I'm-a-Fixin'-to-Die Rag" COUNTRY JOE & THE FISH (1965)

"Draft Dodger Rag" PHIL OCHS (1965)

"I Ain't Marching Anymore" PHIL OCHS (1965)

"Lyndon Johnson Told the Nation" TOM PAXTON (1965)

"Viet Nam Blues" DAVE DUDLEY (1965)

"I Told Them What You're Fighting For" MAYBELLE CARTER (1966)

"Ballad of the Green Berets" STAFF SERGEANT BARRY SADLER (1966)

"Ballad of the Fort Hood Three" PETE SEEGER (1966)

"Bring 'Em Home" PETE SEEGER (1966)

"7 O'Clock News/Silent Night" SIMON & GARFUNKEL (1966)

"Alice's Restaurant" ARLO GUTHRIE (1967)

"The Story of Isaac" LEONARD COHEN (1967)

"For What It's Worth" THE BUFFALO SPRINGFIELD (1967)

"Sky Pilot" ERIC BURDON & THE ANIMALS (1968)

"The Unknown Soldier" THE DOORS (1968)

"War Is Over" PHIL OCHS (1968)

"Talking Vietnam Pot Luck Blues" TOM PAXTON (1968)

"Fortunate Son" CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL (1969)

"Okie from Muskogee" MERLE HAGGARD (1969)

"Give Peace a Chance" JOHN LENNON (1969)

"The Fiddle and the Drum" JONI MITCHELL (1969)

"Run Through the Jungle" CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL (1970)

"Ohio" CROSBY, STILLS, NASH & YOUNG (1970)

"War" EDWIN STARR (1970)

"Stop the War Now" EDWIN STARR (1970)

"Ball of Confusion" THE TEMPTATIONS (1970)

"What's Going On?" MARVIN GAYE (1971)

"Bring the Boys Home" FREDA PAYNE (1971)

"Sam Stone" JOHN PRINE (1971)

"Still in Saigon" THE CHARLIE DANIELS BAND (1981)

"Goodnight Saigon" BILLY JOEL (1981)

"Born in the USA" BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN (1984)

"19" PAUL HARDCASTLE (1985)

"The Big Parade" 10,000 MANIACS (1989)

"There's a Wall in Washington" IRIS DeMENT (1996)

links to lyrics
http://www.ksu.edu/english/nelp/vietnam_music.html

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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:39 PM
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3. Someone should get together today's artists singing 60's protest songs.
That one would probably sell like hotcakes.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:40 PM
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4.  any protest music getting the air time these got ?

i don't listen to the radio so i would like to know if any new protest songs are getting airplay.


these were mainstream when i was in college.

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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:45 PM
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6. Stones : sweet neocon
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:45 PM
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7. I've been looking for a list like that. thanks
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 06:28 PM
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18. You left out
Edited on Sat Aug-13-05 06:30 PM by hobbit709
An Untitled Protest by Country Joe

Mau-Mau (Amerikon) by Paul Kantner & Grace Slick

One Tin Soldier by Coven

Monster by Steppenwolf

Military Madness by Graham Nash

those are just off the top of my head.

and of course John Prine's Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 06:50 PM
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21. And John's "Sam Stone"
Don't forget that one!

Sam Stone
©John Prine

Sam Stone came home,
To his wife and family
After serving in the conflict overseas.
And the time that he served,
Had shattered all his nerves,
And left a little shrapnel in his knee.
But the morphine eased the pain,
And the grass grew round his brain,
And gave him all the confidence he lacked,
With a Purple Heart and a monkey on his back.

Chorus:
There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes,
Jesus Christ died for nothin' I suppose.
Little pitchers have big ears,
Don't stop to count the years,
Sweet songs never last too long on broken radios.
Mmm....

Sam Stone's welcome home
Didn't last too long.
He went to work when he'd spent his last dime
And Sammy took to stealing
When he got that empty feeling
For a hundred dollar habit without overtime.
And the gold rolled through his veins
Like a thousand railroad trains,
And eased his mind in the hours that he chose,
While the kids ran around wearin' other peoples' clothes...

Repeat Chorus:

Sam Stone was alone
When he popped his last balloon
Climbing walls while sitting in a chair
Well, he played his last request
While the room smelled just like death
With an overdose hovering in the air
But life had lost its fun
And there was nothing to be done
But trade his house that he bought on the G. I. Bill
For a flag draped casket on a local heroes' hill.

Repeat Chorus
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 07:28 PM
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22. My favorite John Prine Anti War Classic Really Relevant Again


Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore
© John Prine

While digesting Reader's Digest
In the back of a dirty book store,
A plastic flag, with gum on the back,
Fell out on the floor.
Well, I picked it up and I ran outside
Slapped it on my window shield,
And if I could see old Betsy Ross
I'd tell her how good I feel.

Chorus:
But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
They're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.

Well, I went to the bank this morning
And the cashier he said to me,
"If you join the Christmas club
We'll give you ten of them flags for free."
Well, I didn't mess around a bit
I took him up on what he said.
And I stuck them stickers all over my car
And one on my wife's forehead.

Repeat Chorus:

Well, I got my window shield so filled
With flags I couldn't see.
So, I ran the car upside a curb
And right into a tree.
By the time they got a doctor down
I was already dead.
And I'll never understand why the man
Standing in the Pearly Gates said...

"But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
We're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more."


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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 08:00 PM
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24. "Bring the Boys Home" by the seriously under appreciated Freda Payne, nt
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 08:04 PM
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25. Jackson Beowne was highly outspoken about Viet Nam - one
of his albums could reissued and it would fit Iraq to a "T"
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 10:21 PM
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32. another good one...
CSNY-"Chicago"
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 10:36 PM
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33. thunderclap newman-"something in the air" and...
jefferson airplane-"volunteers"
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 11:30 PM
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37. "Ohio"
That's one I've been listening to a lot lately. It couldn't be at a more appropriate time.

:)
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:41 PM
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5. I Feel Like I'm Fixin' To-Die-Rag
Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
Yeah, he's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in Vietnam
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
Gonna have a whole lotta fun.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Yeah, come on Wall Street, don't be slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade,
Just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They drop it on the Viet Cong.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Now you can go out and get those reds
'Cause the only good commie is the one that's dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to Vietnam.
Come on fathers, and don't hesitate
To send your sons off before it's too late.
You can be the first ones in your block
To have your boy come home in a box.

And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:45 PM
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8. I knew this as "Fish Cheer"
at the time the "dirtiest" song I had ever heard...

I was 8 when I heard it the first time. My older brother played it off the Woodstock album for shock value.

That, and "God Damn the pusher man" The Pusher, Steppenwolf
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 10:17 PM
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31. gimmie an F...
you know the rest. WHAT'S THAT SPELL; WHAT'S THAT SPELL?
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 06:15 PM
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15. AKA The Vietnam Rag - Certainly one of my favorites.
Gimme an F!

Wat
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 08:34 PM
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26. Thanks for the song, it's been many years
since I heard it. Great song!! We should change some of the words to reflect today. Any songwriters here?????
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 11:17 PM
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35. LISTEN TO THE RAG HERE FREE
http://www.countryjoe.com/rag.htm

there is even a rare Pete Seeger version
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:48 PM
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9. Send the Marines!
When someone makes a move
Of which we don't approve,
Who is it that always intervenes?
U.N. and O.A.S.,
They have their place, I guess,
But first send the Marines!

We'll send them all we've got,
John Wayne and Randolph Scott,
Remember those exciting fighting scenes?
To the shores of Tripoli,
But not to Mississippoli,

What do we do? We send the Marines!
For might makes right,
And till they've seen the light,
They've got to be protected,
All their rights respected,
'Till somebody we like can be elected.

Members of the corps
All hate the thought of war,
They'd rather kill them off by peaceful means.
Stop calling it aggression,
O we hate that expression.
We only want the world to know
That we support the status quo.
They love us everywhere we go,
So when in doubt,
Send the Marines!
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Mikimouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 06:28 PM
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19. God bless Tom Lehrer!
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:50 PM
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10. Who's next?
First we got the bomb, and that was good,
'Cause we love peace and motherhood.
Then Russia got the bomb, but that's okay,
'Cause the balance of power's maintained that way.
Who's next?

France got the bomb, but don't you grieve,
'Cause they're on our side (I believe).
China got the bomb, but have no fears,
They can't wipe us out for at least five years.
Who's next?

Then Indonesia claimed that they
Were gonna get one any day.
South Africa wants two, that's right:
One for the black and one for the white.
Who's next?

Egypt's gonna get one too,
Just to use on you know who.
So Israel's getting tense.
Wants one in self defense.
"The Lord's our shepherd," says the psalm,
But just in case, we better get a bomb.
Who's next?

Luxembourg is next to go,
And (who knows?) maybe Monaco.
We'll try to stay serene and calm
When Alabama gets the bomb.
Who's next?
Who's next?
Who's next?
Who's next?
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:52 PM
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11. 1,2,3, what are we fighting for--
Edited on Sat Aug-13-05 05:56 PM by laugle
don't ask me I don't give a damm--next stop will be IRAN--


1,2,3,4, we don't want your stinking war---5,6,7,8 we don't
want your lies and hate---

WHERE HAVE ALL THE YOUNG MEN GONE---GONE TO GRAVEYARDS EVERYONE--WHEN WILL THEY EVER LEARN--OH WHEN WILL THEY EVERYONE LEARN........

My 2cents worth.....
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:52 PM
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12. They just showed an anti-war video by Green Day on MTV ...
The song/video is called "Wake Me Up When September Ends"

It's on their album --which of course they named after Bush-- called "American Idiot" :rofl:

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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 07:53 PM
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23. Green Day is getting more vocal about their hatred of Bush :-)
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:53 PM
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13. So let's make some station have an hour of protest songs.
Not sure WHO; but SOMEbody....
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:58 PM
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14. Eve of Destruction
(when this was written, the voting age was 21 !)

The eastern world, it is explodin’.
Violence flarin’, bullets loadin’
You’re old enough to kill, but not for votin’
You don’t believe in war, but what’s that gun you’re totin’
And even the Jordan River has bodies floatin’

But you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.

Don’t you understand what I’m tryin’ to say
Can’t you feel the fears I’m feelin’ today?
If the button is pushed, there’s no runnin’ away
There’ll be no one to save, with the world in a grave
Take a look around you boy
It’s bound to scare you boy

And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.

Yeah, my blood’s so mad feels like coagulatin’
I’m sitting here just contemplatin’
I can’t twist the truth, it knows no regulation.
Handful of senators don’t pass legislation
And marches alone can’t bring integration
When human respect is disintegratin’
This whole crazy world is just too frustratin’

And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.

Think of all the hate there is in Red China
Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama
You may leave here for 4 days in space
But when you return, it’s the same old place
The poundin’ of the drums, the pride and disgrace
You can bury your dead, but don’t leave a trace
Hate your next-door neighbor, but don’t forget to say grace
And… tell me over and over and over and over again, my friend
You don’t believe
We’re on the eve
Of destruction
Mm, no no, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.

http://www.letssingit.com/?/barry-mcguire-eve-of-destruction-s1m88lj.html
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 06:19 PM
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16. This should be a DU project : record a CD
contact the Boss, Dixie Chicks, Sheryl Crow.. whoever... and incite them to produce an album, maybe a mix of old Vietnam songs, and new ones...

Bob Geldof did it for Africa, you need someone with contacts

It would have a tremendous impact

it's in the air, spin on it
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 10:43 PM
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34. these songs are again as relevent...
today as they were back in the '60s. great idea.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 06:22 PM
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17. With meth back, too...
I think that a reformation of the band "Blue Cheer" is in order. ;-)
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 06:38 PM
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20. Ohio
Crosby Stills Nash Young - Four Dead In Ohio Lyrics

Tin soldiers and Nixon's comin'.
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drummin'.
Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it.
Soldiers are gunning us down.
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her and
Found her dead on the ground?
How can you run when you know?

Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.
Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.
Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.
Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.

Gotta get down to it.
Soldiers are cutting us down.
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her and
Found her dead on the ground?
How can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and Nixon's comin'.
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drummin'.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 08:37 PM
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27. WAR!! By Edwin Starr--hasn't been played on radio in YEARS around here..
Edited on Sat Aug-13-05 08:38 PM by OneTwentyoNine
Geee...wonder why? Could it be because all our stations are owned by Clear Channel and Entercom??

War! - huh- yeah-
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Uh-huh

War! – huh – yeah-
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again y’all

War! – huh – good God
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Listen to me…

Ohhh… War! I despise
Because it means destruction’
Of innocent lives

War means tears
to thousands of mothers eyes
When their sons go to fight
and lose their lives

I said - War! Huh – Good God y’all
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again

War! Whoa, Lord
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Listen to me…

War! It ain’t nothing but a heartbreaker
War! Friend only to the undertaker
War! It’s an enemy to all mankind
The thought of war blows my mind

War has caused unrest in the younger generation
Induction then destruction-
Who wants to die?

Ohhh… War – Good God Y’all
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it, Say it, Say it

War! Uh-huh – Yeah - Huh!
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Listen to me…

War! It ain’t nothing but a heartbreaker
War! It’s got one friend, that’s the undertaker
War has shattered many a young mans dreams
Made him disabled bitter and mean
Life is much to precious to spend fighting wars these days
War can’t give life, it can only take it away

War! Huh – Good God y’all
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again

War! Whoa, Lord
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Listen to me…

War! It ain’t nothing but a heartbreaker
War! Friend only to the undertaker
Peace Love and Understanding;
tell me, is there no place for them today?
They say we must fight to keep our freedom
But Lord knows there’s got to be a better way

War! Huh – Good God y’all
What is it good for?
You tell me
Say it, Say it, Say it


War! Huh – Good God y’all
What is it good for?
Stand up and shout it.
Nothing!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 09:59 PM
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28. Universal Soldier - Buffy Ste. Marie
He's five feet two and he's six feet four
He fights with missiles and with spears
He's all of 31 and he's only 17
He's been a soldier for a thousand years

He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an athiest, a Jain,
a Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew
and he knows he shouldn't kill
and he knows he always will
kill you for me my friend and me for you

And he's fighting for Canada,
he's fighting for France,
he's fighting for the USA,
and he's fighting for the Russians
and he's fighting for Japan,
and he thinks we'll put an end to war this way

And he's fighting for Democracy
and fighting for the Reds
He says it's for the peace of all
He's the one who must decide
who's to live and who's to die
and he never sees the writing on the walls

But without him how would Hitler have
condemned him at Dachau
Without him Caesar would have stood alone
He's the one who gives his body
as a weapon to a war
and without him all this killing can't go on

He's the universal soldier and he
really is to blame
His orders come from far away no more
They come from him, and you, and me
and brothers can't you see
this is not the way we put an end to war.

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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 10:04 PM
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29. I say new war, new sound.
Now that rap's mainstream, finally white America gets something they can be pissed and disenfranchised about. Eminem's already put out that video with the black hoodies.

One good thing about Texas being ground zero of the antiwar movement is that there's no shortage of good, liberal musicians down here (and yes, that is Willie Nelson on the cover of this month's High Times). We had several perform out in Crawford today.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 10:06 PM
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30. Five to One....by the Doors
And break out the Sergeant Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band ....
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 11:29 PM
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36. Great thread and great music
I posted a thread the other day about a new video that has lots of bits of that good ol' music in it that really made me cry...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2001811
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skiptomidew Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:00 AM
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38. Melanie did a few good ones.
Peace Will Come (According To Plan)
Melanie

There's a chance peace will come in your life please buy one
There's a chance peace will come in your life please buy one

For sometimes when I am feeling as big as the land
With the velvet hill in the small of my back
And my hands are playing the sand

And my feet are swimming in all of the waters
All of the rivers are givers to the ocean
According to plan, according to man

Well sometimes when I am feeling so grand
And I become the world
And the world becomes a man

And my song becomes a part of the river
I cry out to keep me just the way I am
According to plan

According to man, according to plan
According to man, according to plan
Oh there's a chance peace will come
In your life, please buy one
Oh there's a chance peace will come
In your life, please buy one

For sometimes when we have reached the end
With the velvet hill in the small of my backs
And our hands are clutching the sand
Will our blood become a part of the river
All of the rivers are givers to the ocean
According to plan, according to man
There's a chance peace will come in your life please buy one.
There's a chance peace will come in your life please buy one
For sometime when we have reached the end
With the velvet hill in the small of my backs
And our hands are clutching the sand.
There's a chance peace will come in your life please buy one
There's a chance peace will come in your life please buy one...



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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:42 AM
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43. "Lay Down Candles" is part of the soundtrack of my antiwar days
I can't hear that song without tears. Reminds me of an event I attended in memory of fallen friends in the early 70s (late 60s?)
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 01:12 AM
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39. Waist Deep In The Big Muddy . . . Pete Seeger . . .
Waist Deep In The Big Muddy

It was back in nineteen forty-two,
I was a member of a good platoon.
We were on maneuvers in-a Loozianna,
One night by the light of the moon.
The captain told us to ford a river,
That's how it all begun.
We were -- knee deep in the Big Muddy,
But the big fool said to push on.

The Sergeant said, "Sir, are you sure,
This is the best way back to the base?"
"Sergeant, go on! I forded this river
'Bout a mile above this place.
It'll be a little soggy but just keep slogging.
We'll soon be on dry ground."
We were -- waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the big fool said to push on.

The Sergeant said, "Sir, with all this equipment
No man will be able to swim."
"Sergeant, don't be a Nervous Nellie,"
The Captain said to him.
"All we need is a little determination;
Men, follow me, I'll lead on."
We were -- neck deep in the Big Muddy
And the big fool said to push on.

All at once, the moon clouded over,
We heard a gurgling cry.
A few seconds later, the captain's helmet
Was all that floated by.
The Sergeant said, "Turn around men!
I'm in charge from now on."
And we just made it out of the Big Muddy
With the captain dead and gone.

We stripped and dived and found his body
Stuck in the old quicksand.
I guess he didn't know that the water was deeper
Than the place he'd once before been.
Another stream had joined the Big Muddy
'Bout a half mile from where we'd gone.
We were lucky to escape from the Big Muddy
When the big fool said to push on.

Well, I'm not going to point any moral;
I'll leave that for yourself
Maybe you're still walking, you're still talking
You'd like to keep your health.
But every time I read the papers
That old feeling comes on;
We're -- waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the big fool says to push on.

Waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the big fool says to push on.
Waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the big fool says to push on.
Waist deep! Neck deep! Soon even a
Tall man'll be over his head, we're
Waist deep in the Big Muddy!
And the big fool says to push on!

Words and music by Pete Seeger (1967)
TRO (c) 1967 Melody Trails, Inc. New York, NY
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:49 AM
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48. Heard Richard Shindell perform that one recently. Excellent!
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 03:18 AM
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41. Stop the Violence Increase the Peace ...
Free speech is something
you either have or you don't.
Drums beat in the White House
and Generals insist that War is The Answer,
But we do not all agree, many feel that "Love is the Answer".

Our poets, visionaries, people of higher conciousness respond as is our right.
Dylan's "Masters of War,
Marley's "War,"
Phil Ochs's "I Ain't Marching Anymore"
CCR's "Fortunate Son"
and the other meaningful songs presented here are not blasphemy.
Amongst ourselves and abroad, Our beloved Country through
it's blindness and arrogance, has often spilled blood,
and we all pay the painful price for
vengeance without wisdom.

http://www.sfheart.com/protest/index1.html


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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:27 AM
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42. The media whores were just as bad covering up for Johnson & Nixon.
It is and probably always will depend on We The People to get the anti-war message out. But the truth is that non-combatant civilians never do this alone. Then as now, when our country goes into one of it's insane imperialistic stages, soldiers and their families are, sadly, forced to serve on the front lines of both the military and political fronts. That's why I bless Cindy Sheehan from the bottom of my heart.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 08:56 AM
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44. New music from Nancy Griffith
BIG BLUE BALL OF WAR

In 1914 this ball was at war
It went from Belgium on through Ireland
The Congo, then back home

This big blue ball of war spun on its own
Spinning history in lines of blood
When many souls fell off

(chorus) We all ride on (we all ride)
This big blue ball of war
Souls with tickets through the veil
We all ride on
We all ride on (we all ride)
This big blue ball of war
We choose to spin around and ride
This big blue ball of war

Almost a century, the blood has flowed
We've killed our men of peace around this ball
And refused to hear their ghosts

We spend our destinies in deeds of hate
Humanity upon this ball
Is just a bloody fall from grace

A reformation might just save us all
A voice of harmony and open heart
Where the women teach the song

These men of evil deed can be proven wrong
If we join hand to hand with Abraham
So not a soul falls off

HEART OF INDOCHINE
(A maybe not so subtle protest song)

I am on a Riverboat on the Saigon River
Where the music's too loud
While I try to have my dinner
Stories I've been told of 1954
When the bodies washed ashore from that distant war
My friend Michael came in '68
The bodies still floating
With the dinner boats sailing
Beside all those souls of the American war

(chorus) Oh, deliver me to the river of souls
In the heart of Indochine
Deliver me to a River at Peace
In this twenty-first century
All those souls that floated free
In these dark war's waters
All the souls now swim together
The French the Viet Minh
Those American boys
The souls of the Saigon River
At peace in Indochine

I am in a cafe' in Ho Chi Minh City
My friend Bobby Muller is sitting with me
This traffic is maddening
In his wheelchair he's napping
I wonder at times, does he walk in his dreams?
Later I walked all the way from Tu Do Street
To the banks of the river
With the dinner boats sailing
Beside all of the souls, of a River in Peace

Hoa binh…Hoa Binh, ("peace" in Vietnamese)
Peace in the Heart of Indochine
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peacefreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:04 AM
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45. Hey MaineDem...
Did you see her do this last weekend in Portland? She gave me chills. Such power from a slip of a woman.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:18 AM
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47. I couldn't get to Portland
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 09:19 AM by MaineDem
I wish I could have attended the entire Festival. I heard her shows were fantastic!

I love Nancy and her music. I listen to her latest CD ALL the time.

Edited to fix really embarrassing grammatical errors.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:12 AM
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46. My personal favorite
Alice's Restaurant
By Arlo Guthrie


This song is called Alice's Restaurant, and it's about Alice, and the
restaurant, but Alice's Restaurant is not the name of the restaurant,
that's just the name of the song, and that's why I called the song Alice's
Restaurant.

You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant
You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant

Now it all started two Thanksgivings ago, was on - two years ago on
Thanksgiving, when my friend and I went up to visit Alice at the
restaurant, but Alice doesn't live in the restaurant, she lives in the
church nearby the restaurant, in the bell-tower, with her husband Ray and
Fasha the dog. And livin' in the bell tower like that, they got a lot of
room downstairs where the pews used to be in. Havin' all that room,
seein' as how they took out all the pews, they decided that they didn't
have to take out their garbage for a long time.

We got up there, we found all the garbage in there, and we decided it'd be
a friendly gesture for us to take the garbage down to the city dump. So
we took the half a ton of garbage, put it in the back of a red VW
microbus, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed
on toward the city dump.

Well we got there and there was a big sign and a chain across across the
dump saying, "Closed on Thanksgiving." And we had never heard of a dump
closed on Thanksgiving before, and with tears in our eyes we drove off
into the sunset looking for another place to put the garbage.

We didn't find one. Until we came to a side road, and off the side of the
side road there was another fifteen foot cliff and at the bottom of the
cliff there was another pile of garbage. And we decided that one big pile
is better than two little piles, and rather than bring that one up we
decided to throw our's down.

That's what we did, and drove back to the church, had a thanksgiving
dinner that couldn't be beat, went to sleep and didn't get up until the
next morning, when we got a phone call from officer Obie. He said, "Kid,
we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of
garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it." And
I said, "Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope
under that garbage."

After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we
finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
and pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the
police officer's station. So we got in the red VW microbus with the
shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the
police officer's station.

Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at
the police station, and the first was he could have given us a medal for
being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn't very likely, and
we didn't expect it, and the other thing was he could have bawled us out
and told us never to be see driving garbage around the vicinity again,
which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer's station
there was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was
both immediately arrested. Handcuffed. And I said "Obie, I don't think I
can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on." He said, "Shut up, kid.
Get in the back of the patrol car."

And that's what we did, sat in the back of the patrol car and drove to the
quote Scene of the Crime unquote. I want tell you about the town of
Stockbridge, Massachusets, where this happened here, they got three stop
signs, two police officers, and one police car, but when we got to the
Scene of the Crime there was five police officers and three police cars,
being the biggest crime of the last fifty years, and everybody wanted to
get in the newspaper story about it. And they was using up all kinds of
cop equipment that they had hanging around the police officer's station.
They was taking plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling prints, and
they took twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each
one was to be used as evidence against us. Took pictures of the approach,
the getaway, the northwest corner the southwest corner and that's not to
mention the aerial photography.

After the ordeal, we went back to the jail. Obie said he was going to put
us in the cell. Said, "Kid, I'm going to put you in the cell, I want your
wallet and your belt." And I said, "Obie, I can understand you wanting my
wallet so I don't have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you
want my belt for?" And he said, "Kid, we don't want any hangings." I
said, "Obie, did you think I was going to hang myself for littering?"
Obie said he was making sure, and friends Obie was, cause he took out the
toilet seat so I couldn't hit myself over the head and drown, and he took
out the toilet paper so I couldn't bend the bars roll out the - roll the
toilet paper out the window, slide down the roll and have an escape. Obie
was making sure, and it was about four or five hours later that Alice
(remember Alice? It's a song about Alice), Alice came by and with a few
nasty words to Obie on the side, bailed us out of jail, and we went back
to the church, had a another thanksgiving dinner that couldn't be beat,
and didn't get up until the next morning, when we all had to go to court.

We walked in, sat down, Obie came in with the twenty seven eight-by-ten
colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back
of each one, sat down. Man came in said, "All rise." We all stood up,
and Obie stood up with the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy
pictures, and the judge walked in sat down with a seeing eye dog, and he
sat down, we sat down. Obie looked at the seeing eye dog, and then at the
twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows
and a paragraph on the back of each one, and looked at the seeing eye dog.
And then at twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and began to cry,
'cause Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of American
blind justice, and there wasn't nothing he could do about it, and the
judge wasn't going to look at the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy
pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each
one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us. And
we was fined $50 and had to pick up the garbage in the snow, but thats not
what I came to tell you about.

Came to talk about the draft.

They got a building down New York City, it's called Whitehall Street,
where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected,
neglected and selected. I went down to get my physical examination one
day, and I walked in, I sat down, got good and drunk the night before, so
I looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. `Cause I wanted to
look like the all-American kid from New York City, man I wanted, I wanted
to feel like the all-, I wanted to be the all American kid from New York,
and I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung down, hung up, and all
kinds o' mean nasty ugly things. And I waked in and sat down and they gave
me a piece of paper, said, "Kid, see the phsychiatrist, room 604."

And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

Didn't feel too good about it.

Proceeded on down the hall gettin more injections, inspections,
detections, neglections and all kinds of stuff that they was doin' to me
at the thing there, and I was there for two hours, three hours, four
hours, I was there for a long time going through all kinds of mean nasty
ugly things and I was just having a tough time there, and they was
inspecting, injecting every single part of me, and they was leaving no
part untouched. Proceeded through, and when I finally came to the see the
last man, I walked in, walked in sat down after a whole big thing there,
and I walked up and said, "What do you want?" He said, "Kid, we only got
one question. Have you ever been arrested?"

And I proceeded to tell him the story of the Alice's Restaurant Massacre,
with full orchestration and five part harmony and stuff like that and all
the phenome... - and he stopped me right there and said, "Kid, did you ever
go to court?"

And I proceeded to tell him the story of the twenty seven eight-by-ten
colour glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and the paragraph on
the back of each one, and he stopped me right there and said, "Kid, I want
you to go and sit down on that bench that says Group W .... NOW kid!!"

And I, I walked over to the, to the bench there, and there is, Group W's
where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after
committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly
looking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father
rapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me! And
they was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible crime-type guys sitting on the
bench next to me. And the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest
father raper of them all, was coming over to me and he was mean 'n' ugly
'n' nasty 'n' horrible and all kind of things and he sat down next to me
and said, "Kid, whad'ya get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay
$50 and pick up the garbage." He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?"
And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench
there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I
said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand,
and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing,
father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the
bench. And everything was fine, we was smoking cigarettes and all kinds of
things, until the Sargeant came over, had some paper in his hand, held it
up and said.

"Kids, this-piece-of-paper's-got-47-words-37-sentences-58-words-we-wanna-
know-details-of-the-crime-time-of-the-crime-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-
you-gotta-say-pertaining-to-and-about-the-crime-I-want-to-know-arresting-
officer's-name-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-you-gotta-say", and talked for
forty-five minutes and nobody understood a word that he said, but we had
fun filling out the forms and playing with the pencils on the bench there,
and I filled out the massacre with the four part harmony, and wrote it
down there, just like it was, and everything was fine and I put down the
pencil, and I turned over the piece of paper, and there, there on the
other side, in the middle of the other side, away from everything else on
the other side, in parentheses, capital letters, quotated, read the
following words:

("KID, HAVE YOU REHABILITATED YOURSELF?")

I went over to the sargent, said, "Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to
ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I'm
sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench
'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women,
kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug." He looked at me and
said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send you fingerprints
off to Washington."

And friends, somewhere in Washington enshrined in some little folder, is a
study in black and white of my fingerprints. And the only reason I'm
singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar
situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a
situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into
the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get
anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.". And walk out. You know, if
one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the
guitar.

With feeling. So we'll wait for it to come around on the guitar, here and
sing it when it does. Here it comes.

You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant

That was horrible. If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud.
I've been singing this song now for twenty five minutes. I could sing it
for another twenty five minutes. I'm not proud... or tired.

So we'll wait till it comes around again, and this time with four part
harmony and feeling.

We're just waitin' for it to come around is what we're doing.

All right now.

You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Excepting Alice
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant

Da da da da da da da dum
At Alice's Restaurant

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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:25 PM
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50. mine too...
so many great ones, but something about "alice's restaurant" makes it stand out.:woohoo:
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:59 AM
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49. A link to antiwar songs
http://www.lacarte.org/songs/anti-war/

Some interesting sites linked here.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:26 PM
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51. I made an iTunes iMix of protest songs.
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 12:29 PM by IanDB1
It's a pretty extensive list.

If you visit it, please be sure to vote for it and "rate it up."

2005 Support Our Troops and Our "President"- Enlist Young Republicans

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPublishedPlaylist?id=385018

http://tinyurl.com/d9ag4
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