Larry a tale of a countrry nmouse and a city mouse

[nadinbrzezinski]

(Originally posted in GD but folks this is important, another examople of what is the matter with Kansas)

okay folks first off using a shotgun when drunk is not a good idea, that said... folks this happens in the country side far more often than city folk have any clue about.

Now what many of these posts, over here, larry is a cook, larry is deranged, you get the idea, tell me is... damn right the civil war is not over and now it is about them city folks thinking the country bumpkins are a bunch of idiots, who have no idea about things like the first amendment and all that

Ok, one of my professor at one of them fancy colleges, in a city no less, once told me something that applies here. Your rights end right at the point they infringe on somebody else's rights.

What does this fancy words mean, Larry understands this, and made his point, you fancy city folk are invading my privacy, (which is actually a right), You are also stepping on my property... (that one is in the Declaration of Independence... pursuit of happiness anyone?)

Now, I am not saying that Camp Casey should just pack up... but step back folks and realize that yes, we may very well be infringing on Larry and bo and the rest of the boys. They are not the most sophisticated of people... but when it comes to those things called their privacy and their property they actually have a leg on all of us, who live in the big city. Heck my downstairs neighbor has to live with me changing my tub... and all that it implies including the noise and the dust... that would never even occur to larry. That is why Larry is fed up.

Now what is this telling me though, this is why we have blue cities in an ocean of red country side... we city folk seem unable to understand that these country boys are very sophisticated in their own way... how many of you can read the weather, just by looking at the sky? Anybody? How many of you know how to go hunting for rabbit and how to dress and cook that rabbit? don't give me the but bunnies are cute, bunnies are food. How many of you know when to plant and when to harvest, or how to read the mood of a bull? How about how to raise chickens, yes even in industrial farms, how many of you have ever done that kind of back breaking work? (I have I volunteered to do it, silly me)

So is Larry correct in being annoyed that a bunch of city slickers showed up and parked in front of his house? In a way he does, his rights start right up where mine end...

Now fact is folks, he may have invited the whole county, as some of you are afraid he did, to shoot some doves (peace nicks), never mind dove hunting season is in September and truly he is afraid we will be there in September, truly ruining dove hunting seaon... well actually we are... doves will not stop near his property this year... they simply won't, too many people and doves may have already have started tricking in, but they won't stop and he will miss on that, the rhythm of country life. But if you all believe the Secret Service will allow a bunch of country boys who are ARMED that near to the Preznit, anybody care for the Brooklyn Bridge, I think I own the deed... which is also part of the problem.

You see when we all leave, and by that I also mean Bush and the SS boys, he is going to still be there... the sheriff knows that... but them Feds and them city slickers will be gone....

Now if as we all believe, this is the beginning of the end of the Bushes and the beginning of a peace movement, larry might be thinking that this place may become like oh Selma, a place them city slickers go on a regular basis on them silly pilgrimages... yes I give him that much foresight, ok.

So how do we start winning the country side? first start understanding the country side and leave the stereotypes to the side. Larry is truly a country boy, one who likes to shoot his shot gun with a couple of brewskies, I hope the sheriff talks to him on that... not safe... but he is still a country boy who understands at a very innate level that his property rights, (perception is reality) are now under threat, by no less them city slickers and feds he does not like, or did anybody miss that interview where he said that DHS could have declared his property eminent domain and taken it away from him? Go look it up, because this is a classic city versus country and if we are going to start winning in rural areas better boone up on the lingo and the good ol home boy attitudes... and not put them down.

[Horse with no Name]

1. I agree.

That is why I suggested that someone pay him to rent an acre of his land. It gives the protesters a place to be and it gives him the satisfaction that it was his decision.

[opihimoimoi]

2. Its all about Levels, innate or otherwise. If we stay on low level, we get

guys like BushCo who happen to think they are not but vice versa.

In fact, if we look to the repubs results...much evidence emerges they are on a selfish and low level. This is borne out of History which they seem to forget....

The Higher Levels demands we collective think benevolent and in an altruistic manner.... that is the way to lessen Misery and Pain.

We abstain from this because of Ignorance/arrogance found on the Pubs Level. This so deep for them, they forget/cannot comprehend Goodness but instead cling to Negativity/Greed as a means to their end.

"Let me get on with my Life"....sez it all....

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Let me get on with my life

does not say it all... what is the matter with Kansas? You THINK country folk do not care for others or community? boy are you wrong... but this has grown from a couple people (Larry was for that no problem, a couple of people that is fine), to now hundreds. You realize the pressure this is putting on the land?

You don't

So when you say let me get on with my life but you cannot see this from his POV, you are doing the same thing, and this is what is the matter with Kansas

[opihimoimoi]

12. Nadine, It was in quotes....Bush said that, not me.....

Please read my post

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. sorry, oops did not mean any wrong here

[opihimoimoi]

14. LOL, I unnerstan, its time for short fuses I guess

I can't blame anyone...Bush causes this all across the land....

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. but we are taking the country back we are

and bout bloody time.. who kows we may even have Larry tag alone

[achtung_circus]

3. I've tried, so far, to stay clear of this,

but the attitude here is hardening and I don't like it.

Farming is hard, dangerous, difficuly, skilled work.

Living in the country is something only a very few people experience any more. My nearest neighbour was 1 mile away, if I wanted to do my chores bare-assed naked I could (but didn't).

It's difficult to explain the magnitude of change when your neighbourhood goes from 10 cars passing per day to having hundreds of people camped on your doorstep.

A little understanding, please.

[Desertrose]

4. I grew up in the country.....and I totally agree

There is a different way of life there...slower and more in tune with the rhythms of nature. Thats just the way is has to be when you are livin' off of and countin' on the land to provide. Shotguns are another part of it....and it IS damn hard work.

I remember many years ago, a friend taking out his shotgun when folks kept riding horses on HIS trails. They were "invading" his land. We didn't think much of it at the time (Hell, I knew he'd never shoot a man or a horse, but THEY didn't!)

I've seen this often with people who live a quiet private life out in the "boonies" and suddenly something changes and they just want things to go back to the way life was before. (Don't really have to be country folk for that!)

I agree that WE are the ones "invading" and he has a right to be upset.
I think it makes a lot more sense to talk to him & try to reassure him that we'll be gone soon and will make sure his land is made as clean, etc as it was before.

Meeting anger with more anger only makes things worse. I too am concerned about the attitude here. What's wrong with trying a little human compassion and understanding?? Wouldn't we want that for ourselves or our families??

[havocmom]

5. Thank you and a word of advice.... duck!

;)

We really do have to squash the bigotry against the rurual population. It is seriously counter productive and gives amunition to the RW pundits who like to brand Liberals as elitists who don't even want to hear from anyone but other liberals.

Plain talk and some time spent listening goes a long way with my rurual neighbors. They like Dean for those reasons.

DEMS might do well to consider their populist history, ya know, back in the good ol days, when we used to WIN elections.

Thanks for wise words, nadinbrzezinski. PM me anytime you want backup.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Trust me nothing these city slickers (I am one of them by

the way) can do much... flames on an online board are nothign to real lead mosquitoes

[havocmom]

8. LOL I think of myself as an ambassador between the slickers and bumpkins

City kid who should have grown up in the country, living in a very remote village now.

Back in the 60s, some very wise folks did a sort of exchange student thing in the summer. Many US families hosted pairs of Irish youngsters, one from the North and one from the Republic. Got them away from the pressures of the 'troubles' and out of the environment they considered 'normal'. Gave them the chance to get to know 'the other guy' without all the baggage. It was a damned good plan. And, notice, those kids are the adults now and Ireland is making some serious progress.

Anyway, from that, I got the idea that what we really need is an exchange program between the 'slickers' and the 'bumpkins'. It is good to see how others really live, the problems they deal with, the advantages of the different places. Good for country kids to wise up to the fact that there are lots of ways and lots of different people and that is OK. Good for city kids to find out where their food comes from and how hard it is to create. City kids might find there is much to cherish about the natural world. Country kids might learn that different does not equal bad.

Might make the groups have a little more respect for the other guy. Might help get past the fear and the hate too many use to hide it. At least some understanding would go a long way towards solving the problems facing Americans. What burdens my neighbor, burdens me also.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. that is NOT a bad idea

heck I spent over 20 years ago three months in a Kibbutz, working at the chicken coop, at times shoveling shit, but mostly... picking up eggs and fights with feisty roosters... trust me that has given me a whole new outlook on country folks... and many of the attitudes Larry has exhibited, I saw at the Kibbutz, with the older folk especially. Years later when doing EMS in Tijuana I also saw it down at the Ejido... that is why what he did does not shock me (sheriff should have a down talk with Larry about alcohol and guns, but otherwise, people are blowing it way, WAAAAYYY out of proportion)

As to the mosquitoes, as a medic I was shot so many times that I do know the old saying... the red cross is a target acquisition device, for those who want to shoot me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. kick

[achtung_circus]

11. Kickety kick. nt

[hootinholler]

16. I just can't bring myself to shoot a dove...

Now pheasant on the other hand, is a different thing altogether. When I was 13 my closest neighbor was about a half mile away across a river that had tugs running barges on it. On my side it was more like 1.5 mi.

You sum it up pretty well.

-Hoot