The meaning of "neo-con"?

[LeftyElvis]

I've heard these flag wavers on the extreme right charge that "neo-con" is a code word for Jews; neo-cons run foreign policy; neo-cons are Jews; therefore, the war on Iraq was cooked up by a cabal of rapacious Jews to benefit the nation of Israel.

Any truth to this? My understanding is that the term is more in line with "neo-Nazis, the antithesis.

[welshTerrier2]

1. neo-con actually is just an abbreviated version of ...

neo-convict ...

[phantom power]

2. It's a reference to the fact that their policies aren't actually

conservative. The neo-cons actually favor radical changes. "Drowning the govt in a bathtub." Starting wars of aggression. Tearing down environmental regs. Running the country on record-high deficits.

They call themselves "conservatives," but they are extremists.

[RadiDem]

3. BS

Nope, that's BS.

""Neocons" believe that the United States should not be ashamed to use its unrivaled power – forcefully if necessary – to promote its values around the world. Some even speak of the need to cultivate a US empire. Neoconservatives believe modern threats facing the US can no longer be reliably contained and therefore must be prevented, sometimes through preemptive military action."


http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html

[ironman202]

4. well

there are plenty of jewish neo-cons but there's also plenty of Jesus freak neo-con trying to bring on the rapture. A lot of the jewish thing relates to a U of CHicago prof, Leo Straus, who was a fan of Hitler, except for that pesky anti-semitism part, who laid the groundwork for the whole neo-con playbook.

[SteppingRazor]

5. They're just playing off a coincedence...

Neo-con is a description of a certain, excruciatingly wrong-headed, take on geopolitical strategy. The fact that some of its chief proponents in the administration are Jewish (Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, etc.) notwithstanding. One's religion has nothing to do with it.

[LeftyElvis]

7. That

guy Perle is the scariest of them all. I haven't seen him around lately but I'm sure he's up to no good. He looks and acts positively evil.

[tk2kewl]

do the people you hear saying this realize that bush is ...

the neo-con-in-chief?

neo-cons are allied with israel becuase of israels power in ME.

[Alpharetta]

6. depends on how deep you want to get into it

depends how hard you want to work Google.

there's different flavors of neocon.

True some of the neocon PNAC architects of the Iraq invasion also have consulting ties with Israel.

Other neocons do not. Their interest in a "proactive" US foreign policy is for other reasons. Their "experiment in Democracy" in Iraq is part of a national defense and economic strategy tied to protecting access to natural resources such as oil and to assert military influence.

But it's true, in the most technical sense, PNAC and "neocon" are lockstep. The more you know about PNAC and its supporters in government , research, industry and the media, the more you understand the term "neocon".

[reprehensor]

8. Anne Norton is an expert on the cons.

Check this out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2010723&mesg_id=2010723

[LeftyElvis]

10. Ann is right on;

and the 9/11 "report" was just an ass covering worthless POS paper.

[reprehensor]

14. Her statement is a case study in 'framing'.

How to call a fascist a fascist, without ever saying 'fascist'.

[Lerkfish]

9. riiiiiiight. that's a right wing deflection BS.

It a non-denial denial. Neocons are the source of our policy quaqmire, to which the right winger says, you're just an anti-semite, hoping to close off discussion of a valid issue, by casting it in a racist light instead of a policy debate.


nice try.


good luck with that in the future.

[LeftyElvis]

12. I agree

Neo-con = neo-nazi = right winger, whatever.

[Lerkfish]

16. not sure you understood MY post in order to agree with it.

so I don't know what to do with your "agreement". Certainly, your summarization is NOT what I was getting at.

[BlueEyedSon]

11. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc are not Jewish

The neocons have enrolled the Christian Right as well

[marbuc]

13. Many neo-cons

are Zionists (both Jews and gentiles), and fanatically support the state of Israel, and believe a threat to Israel is a threat to the US. I would NOT however, go so far as apply the "Jewish conspiracy" theory in this or any other case. They simply believe that Israel is critical to national security for religious and strategic reasons.

[bemildred]

15. Former trotskyite popinjays now converted to "Conservative" Republicans.

In other words authoritarian pseudo-aristocratic imperialists.

[Rebellious Republican]

17. Neo-conservative as explained by Wekipedia

Neo- is a prefix, derived from Greek that connotes a "new" or recent form of something, or a revival in a modern form.

Neo- appears in its simplest sense of "new" in words such as the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-

Conservatism is a generic term for a wide range of ideologies, political philosophies, political movements, and social and cultural attitudes, which oppose change to some degree, and seek to limit change in some way. All conservatives would reject the proposition "Change is good in itself". Etymologically, conservatism implies the preservation of something which already exists, but the etymology does not match its use, resulting in confusing expressions such as 'conservative revolutionary'. Conservatism is often equated with the political right, but is much older than the left-right division.

More specifically, conservatism designates the ideology of Conservative political parties, in various countries. It is then often spelled with a capital C, to distinguish it from the general form. Whether or not there is a separate Conservative party, the use of the term varies widely from country to country. Conservatives also vary widely in the limits to innovation which they propose. Secular Burkean conservatives insist that change should be organic, Christian conservatives look to the Bible for their criteria, Muslim conservatives to the Quran, and there are many other sources for such limits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative



Neoconservatism describes several distinct political ideologies which are considered "new" forms of conservatism. The Canadian, American, and Japanese usages are somewhat related; the Chinese is entirely unrelated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

So basically you could say it just means New Conservative, which is in no way to be confused with old conservatives, like me. Thats why I became a Democrat, my ideologies are more in line with the Democratic party as opposed to these arrogant, corporatist elite, chicken hawk Neo-conservative bastards.

[barb162]

18. Neo-cons are also extremely pro-business at the expense

of everyone and everything else