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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:13 PM
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Arrested Al-Qaeda-Member Luai Sakra: Al-Qaeda was intelligence asset
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Amid the smoke from the fortuitous fire emerged the possibility that al-Qaeda may not be, strictly speaking, an organization but an element of an intelligence agency operation. Turkish intelligence specialists agree that there is no such organization as al-Qaeda. Rather, Al-Qaeda is the name of a secret service operation. The concept “fighting terror” is the background of the “low-intensity-warfare” conducted in the mono-polar world order. The subject of this strategy of tension is named as “al-Qaeda.”

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These astounding claims are the outcome of Sakra’s four-day interrogation at Istanbul Anti-Terror Department Headquarters. Turkish security officials, interrogating a senior al-Qaeda figure for the first time, were thoroughly confused about what they discovered about al-Qaeda. The prosecutor too was surprised.


More:

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=national&alt=&trh=20050815&hn=22982

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=national&alt=&trh=20050815&hn=23006

http://kurtnimmo.com/blog/?p=908


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Time to give Hopsicker the Pulitzer Price...
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:16 PM
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1. high time
Hopsicker should have had the pulitzer prize long ago.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:19 PM
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2. there was a similar statement from Robin Cook
(now deceased) published in the Guardian not so long ago.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:22 PM
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3. I missed that -- could you find it?
I wasn't all that comfortable with Cook's death to start with.... hmmmm.


As I've been posting periodically: I'd like to know exactly when we took bin laden OFF the CIA payroll.
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:10 PM
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5. I got it
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:05 PM
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4. Searched afterdowningstreet
nice database...

find following: ( I missed that, too, although i'd known of Cook since 2003 )

Al-Qaeda :our child?

http://waynemadsenreport.com/

July 9, 2005 -- Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook: "Al Qaeda" was the name of a U.S. intelligence database -- Writing today in The Guardian, Cook revealed, "Al-Qaida , literally 'the database,' was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:13 PM
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6. WOW!!! Someone else pointed this over a year ago.
I think the webmaster of www.whatreallyhappened.com said this from the beginning of the war on terra.
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:14 PM
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7. Wonder how the MSM will spin this. Or will they ignore it? n/t
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:19 PM
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8. Our front investigative magazine in germany
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 04:20 PM by SittingBull
Spiegel confirms the arrest of Sakra ( in german: http://www.spiegel.de/archiv/suche/0,1518,suchcache-PB64-QV9FPSZBX0Y9U0FLUkEmQV9UPUImQV9CPTE1JTJFMDglMkUyMDA1JkFfVj0xNiUyRTA3JTJFMjAwNSZBX1o9MzAmQV9PPVNQTytTUEkrS1NQK1VOSSZBX1M9MQ_3_3,00.html )

but they diggin only in if their El-Kaida-Threat remain intact...

:D


edit on spelling
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:49 PM
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9. They will ignore it - my head is spinning with this information...
It departs so greatly from THEIR reality, THEY won't even hear it.

:-(
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 05:03 PM
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10. Indeed- Like the other masterminds of Al-Qaeda in custody
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 05:13 PM
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11. You ever hear of "The Third Option" by Ted Shackley ?
This strategy sounds very much like that...and with a compartmentalized operation, only those at the top would have knowledge of it. Much like Operation Northwoods

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 05:39 PM
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12. IIRC, Jimmy Carter tried to put an end...
If I remember correctly, Jimmy Carter tried to put an end to the secret Tax-Payer funding of organizations whose objective was to spawn terrorism. He discovered that $Millions of US Dollars were being delivered to terrorists, murderers, bombers, and just plain EVIL people. In some cases, in the disguise of "developing Human Intelligence", the US Taxpayer was the entire funding source of Anti-American terrorist organizations. The "so called" Double Agents were playing both ends against the Middle with the US Taxpayer picking up the Bills!

Withdrawing funding from these "Black Operations" was the cause of the smear campaign against him and the eventual termination of his presidency.
The Reagan administration restored the funding of Terrorist Organizations at even greater levels.

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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:36 PM
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14. It's pure logic
if you were in the intelligence, you would do anything to remain in power / money, too


A little bit like Ebeneezer Scrooge Ghost that he called.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 06:07 PM
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13. "The Nazi/CIA/Saudi/al Qaeda Connection"
Add this to the collection:
From dailykoss
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/21/03415/5722

snip:
In the 1920's there was a young Egyptian named al Bana. And al Bana formed this nationalist group called the Muslim Brotherhood. Al Bana was a devout admirer of Adolph Hitler and wrote to him frequently. So persistent was he in his admiration of the new Nazi Party that in the 1930's, al Bana and the Muslim Brotherhood became a secret arm of Nazi Intelligence.

The Arab Nazis had much in common with the new Nazi doctrines. They hated Jews; they hated democracy; and they hated the Western culture. It became the official policy of the Third Reich to secretly develop the Muslim Brotherhood as the fifth Parliament, an army inside Egypt.

When war broke out, the Muslim Brotherhood promised in writing that they would rise up and help General Rommell and make sure that no English or American soldier was left alive in Cairo or Alexandria.

The Muslim Brotherhood began to expand in scope and influence during World War II. They even had a Palestinian section headed by the grand Mufti of Jerusalem, one of the great bigots of all time. Here, too, was a man, the grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was the Muslim Brotherhood representative for Palestine. These were undoubtedly Arab Nazis. The Grand Mufti, for example, went to Germany during the war and helped recruit an international SS division of Arab Nazis. They based it in Croatia and called it the "Handjar" Muslim Division, but it was to become the core of Hitler's new army of Arab fascists that would conquer the Arab peninsula from then on to Africa -- grand dreams.

At the end of World War II, the Muslim Brotherhood was wanted for war crimes. Their German intelligence handlers were captured in Cairo. The whole net was rolled up by the British Secret Service. Then a horrible thing happened.

Instead of prosecuting the Nazis -- the Muslim Brotherhood -- the British government hired them. They brought all the fugitive Nazi war criminals of Arab and Muslim descent into Egypt, and for three years they were trained on a special mission. The British Secret Service wanted to use the fascists of the Muslim Brotherhood to strike down the infant state of Israel in 1948. Only a few people in the Mossad know this, but many of the members of the Arab Armies and terrorist groups that tried to strangle the infant State of Israel were the Arab Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Britain was not alone. The French Intelligence service cooperated by releasing the Grand Mufti and smuggling him to Egypt, so all of the Arab Nazis came together. So, from 1945 to 1948, the British Secret Service protected every Arab Nazi they could, but they failed to quash the State of Israel.

What the British did then, they sold the Arab Nazis to the predecessor of what became the CIA. It may sound stupid; it may sound evil, but it did happen. The idea was that we were going to use the Arab Nazis in the Middle East as a counterweight to the Arab communists. Just as the Soviet Union was funding Arab communists, we would fund the Arab Nazis to fight against. And lots of secret classes took place. We kept the Muslim Brotherhood on our payroll.
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