it's disappointing that 30% of the public will support bush no matter what

[samsingh]

that's a lot of people who condone:

- the killing of innocents here and abroad
- enrichment of companies like Enron and Haliburton at the expense of the people paying for gas and the war activities
- dismantling of democracy
- lying and cheating to the public
- starting of wars based on lies
- living well, while policies the bushies are following are hurting so many people
- supporting bush while other american families are losing family members in Iraq
- supporting bush when his stupidity let 911 happen

[salinen]

1. 29.9% are christofascists.

[Inland]

38. I think that's right. They';ll put up with anything to get at abortion

and gays. They know Bush is a terrible president BUT he's doing God's will and they'll put up with him as long as he holds out hope of establishing christianity.

[Supersedeas]

52. It's a culture war where anything not ProLife/Antigay is the enemy

Foreign policy is not even on their radar.

[RandomKoolzip]

53. Actually, they DO care about Foreign Policy:

Y'know, killin' ay-rabs 'n' shit. Plus, anything that foments "THE END TIMES" (Dunh-dunh-DUHHHHHHH!) is just ducky by them.

[Inland]

63. I think its low priority, for sure,

whether they think gays are such a threat or because they think this is an opportunity to put anti abortion in the constitution and we can fix everything else.

[Double T]

2. 30% of the public are hard right NEOCONS.......

and you defined them perfectly!!!!!!

[samsingh]

9. i don't have any patience for bush supporters anymore

they're either evil themselves, completely brainwashed (not an excuse in my book), or totally stupid.

[ironman202]

20. I often find myself wishing stupidity should be painful

[Imagevision]

26. 30% is what Bush won the election with - Bush could never have defeated

Kerry in a ligitimate count, minus Blackwell!

[americathebeautiful]

3. disappointing

i dont agree with ever with supporting democrat or republican on a "no matter what basis"

[samsingh]

12. i agree

once the true color of what we're defending is visible, we need to change our view if its inconsistent with core beliefs. it tells us how evil bush supporters are by what they support.

[mark11727]

4. But he's a man of Gawd..

...who saves the unborn babies and you can have a beer with him and he hates homer-sexuals and he was a military hero and its a shame the Texas National Guard lost all his records that would prove it, so there. :eyes:

Or something like that.

[americathebeautiful]

7. bush's intentions

haliburton and oil companies are easily connected to bush and his associates. but rising oil demand, raising costs; and the proposed energy bill, change processing, lower prices; what really makes the Bush admin responsible for high oil prices

[samsingh]

13. not investing in alternative fuels and starting a war

that consumes oil and interferes with the supply.

on a deeper level, the rest of the world, seeing bush's actions will themselves invest in more weapons and armaments that will increase the need for oil.

[americathebeautiful]

25. oil supply

globalization is driving oil consumption. the world military is small compared to the worlds MARKET.

[samsingh]

29. the world GOP has not increased 100% in the last 5 years

gas prices have doubled in that timeframe.

[City Lights]

5. Some of my relatives are against the war, but still love **.

They just ignore what they don't like, or they blame it on someone else. :crazy:

[clover]

6. and 70% don't!!! imagine seeing these poll numbers in

2004!!!!!!

how would have you felt then?

energized by the 70%?

dismayed by the 30%?

these are the good times we prayed for, despite the hardcore opposition.

we are mainstream, despite the MSM reporting.

the 30%, in any context, are minority.

[samsingh]

8. you're right that the 70% number is a good one

but 30% is still like 1 in 3 or 1 in 4. That's a lot of people that condone bush's evil and love him for it.

[clover]

15. yes. if i am trapped with 100 people and 30 hate me and 70

don't--let's say we're on a sinking ship-- then i'm pretty safe, but i will state my case more fully, make myself absolutely clear about what support i need to survive being trapped with 100 people, 30 of whom hate me, and i would, in exchange, offer support to those who support me, no questions asked, at least until we are out of danger and free to live as we wish. the 30 that we left behind? well, that's their choice, and i choose peace and life without war.

[americathebeautiful]

17. people who hate

i'm still in the process of claiming a political party. i have similar values to both sides. but one thing i can promise you, is that were all american, if i was a die hard republican, i wouldnt "hate you" for what you believed in. No one wants to live in a time of war.

[samsingh]

24. again i agree with you on mutual respect

i would never attack a mother who lost her son in a war.

show me a major democrat that has done that?

and show me a democratic president that wouldn't go out and talk to a grieving mother?

now listen to the news and see what republicans like rush are saying about Cindy. isn't rush being hypocritical when he attacks Cindy for mourning her son and trying to save other families from a similar fate?

everywhere i look, i see republicans saying one thing and doing something different (e.g. support the constitution, but remove people's right to demonstrate - fight a war on terror, but waste 2/3 of the military on a side campaign like Iraq - talk about family values, yet split families through a war based on lies - talk about saving children, yet not funding programs properly - talk about free speech, yet attack anyone that has a different position).

[americathebeautiful]

28. why?

why would any american patriot or president do everything in their power to bring america to their knees. especially with the world watching him. he lives in the heart of america, not the fringe. what makes him so anti-american that he does all of those things.

[samsingh]

30. now that's a very good question - it's hard to know his motives

but we can see what's being done.

if a grieving mother was outside your door wanting to talk to you, would you turn her away and instead go for a bike ride or a baseball game.

before you sent 2/3 of the military to WAR, would you not make sure that there was a very good reason for the war? There were many questions about Iraq's capabilities before the war. As a president should bush not want to make sure that there was truly a case.

remember rumsfeld's assertions of 'shock and awe'? how Iraq could not stand in the battle? If Iraq had the WMDs we were told they had, could rumsfeld be so certain to make that claim? wouldn't he be worried that the WMDs would be used during an invasion? wouldn't he be worried that they could be given to other terrorists?

[Imagevision]

57. People who hate? Like driver running over crosses, just another repug!!

[americathebeautiful]

10. war on terror: good or bad? yes or no?

who believes terrorism is a plague that doesnt involve arab governments?

[samsingh]

16. terrorism has always been a plague

governments have fought it for decades without destroying their own values.

why attack Iraq in the name of terrorism? they had nothing to do with 911. when saddam was attacking his own people, rumsfeld and his group were actually arming him further.

if bush is fighting terror, he would have been better to focus on the terror hotspots. attacking iraq will create more terrorists and does not make us safer.

[americathebeautiful]

23. terrorism

9/11 was an attack. the wrongdoers are already dead (hijackers). is it not possible to have a terrorist org. tied directly to a government regime. iraq had dirty ties with the UN, why not al queda?
i'm still learning, thats why i ask a lot of questions.

[samsingh]

27. saudi arabia had ties to the 911 terrorists

most of the terrorists on the planes were from saudi arabia. Bin Laden is in the family that has done business with Americans (e.g. Bush).

Iraq had nothing to do with it.

the original and only stated reason for attacking iraq was WMD. And anyone who said iraq did not have weapons were destroyed publically and in their careers. Bush has only himself to blame in not being thorough (i'm being generous here) in ensuring that iraq was a threat.

Saddam is an evil man and i despised his children. Why was Rumsfeld and Cheney supporting Saddam AFTER his chemical attack on the Kurds in the 1980s?

[AuntPatsy]

32. In this case no its not possible since it was well know Saddam

had little love for OBL and vice versa, nice try though and by your very premise, it would be possible for our own country to have ties to OBL since we aided in trainging him early on.......

I hope you stay long enough that you do indeed learn something.

[samsingh]

35. good point AuntPatsy

saddam's and obl hated each other and could not cooperate.

we might as well say that the united arab emerates were with the terrorists. how do you disprove that?

[samsingh]

19. bush is in bed with saudi arabia

i think that's an arab government.

[ladjf]

11. We have lost 30% of our people to an incurable mental illness.

That is not only very tragic for them but dangerous for the rest of the world. That 30% allows BushCo to stay in the business of plundering the Earth and its inhabitants.

[samsingh]

33. it really is an obsessive hope that bush is helping America

when he is hurting the nation for many decades to come.

[ladjf]

37. I get the feeling that they know exactly what he is up to and that

they approve of it. Don't forget that the RW dominionist are all for theocratic imperialism. That goes hand in hand with corporate imperialism. They are content to ride in on the backs of our mercenary military force, a force who's sole purpose now is to conquer as much of the world as the corporate fascists feel that they need to maximize their benefits. Let's conquer them, enslave them, steal their resources and then convert them. What a plan!

[samsingh]

41. i think you're right

i was trying to be charitable to them

[PassingFair]

60. Their gawd gives them the right

they have an unbelievable sense of entitlement. Prosperity is theirs. They are "blessed". :puke:

They really believe this.

[Dark]

14. It's not disappointing. It's EMBARRASSING.

[clover]

21. disappointing? embarrassing? yes. but still good news. nt

[ochazuke]

18. If only 30% would support a Democratic president no matter what

If Clinton had done what Bush is doing, he'd be impeached, and leave office with a 5% approval rating.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

22. I'm not sure of the percentages or any of that

but if you think about it, it makes sense that some percentage of the population would fall into that category. Face it, everyone can't be a critical thinker, involved, informed, aware, at least modestly intelligent or have compassion for their fellow citizens.
The challenge is neutralizing them politcally. Aye, there's the rub....
:)

[wli]

31. I think it's more like 14%, not 30%

Regardless, Diebold and Operation Mockingbird will paint it to be the "moral majority" or whatever.

[samsingh]

36. i hope you're right that's its in the 15% range

but 43% are still approving of bush.

what are they approving of?
- the resident being on vacation when there were warnings that America was about to be attacked?
- lying and cheating his way into a war?
- spending the entire surplus and going into massive deficit spending?
- ignoring global warming until its too late to stop it?

[wli]

45. my suspicion is that MSM poll results are falsified n/t

[OneTwentyoNine]

34. Fire up the draft for his next PNAC War and those numbers will be halved..

Try the draft this time around Smirk. People learned alot about all the "fortunate sons" of the VN War. Won't happen this time,when one goes they all go.

[napi21]

39. There probably are 30% who support Shrub, or at least the Pub Party.

There are several reasons too. Most of those folks are single issue voters.

They care about their single issue and nothing else matters.

Abortion
Gay Marriage
Tax cuts
Big breaks for business
US World dominance


I'm sure I've missed some, but many people jusst don't look at a big picture and assess each candidate or party on different issues and vote for the one who best fits them.

How many itmes have we seen the question posted here: "Why do people vote against their own best interests?" They just don't all look at it that way.

The answer is to convince MOST of the remaining 70% to get their keisters out the damn door on election day!

[Bryn]

40. 70% can curve out 30% America

Then Wal-Marts, Oil companies, corporations, fundamentals, warmongers wouldn't be allowed in that 70% part. Let them live in that 30% part filled with slimy oil barons, suffocating corporations, suffocating block buildings, christianity oppression, air & water would be dirty, guns, guns, wars wars, etc. No animals either as 70% will be taking animals with them...hmmm what ya think?

[samsingh]

42. interesting idea.

[samsingh]

43. another thought

imagine the 30% living in their own territory.

how long do you think it would be before they started subdividing their group and hating each other?

i don't think they need a reason to hate.

however, they've given me plenty of reasons to hate the right wing fanatics.

[Bryn]

44. Ann Coulter has said "God Gave Us The Right To Rape Earth"

Let's see how 30% fare in "Raped Earth" place. No nature/trees, all barren, slimy with oil since they LOVE oil. (freepers were saying "DRILL, BABY" speaking of Arctic Wildlife Refuge in Alaska)

Hey, why are we letting those 30% control us? 70% of us can do something.

[samsingh]

46. exactly, it's time for us to fight back

and say the truth loudly and consistently.

[samsingh]

51. Ann Coulter is so yesterday and has nothing

to offer

[knight_of_the_star]

47. Look at it this way

That's 70% we can go after.

[samsingh]

48. half of the 70% are fickle

they believe those that talk the loudest and most frequently.

[NuttyFluffers]

49. Well, supposedly 14% are drunk before noon...

according to one poll randi read waaay back last year.

And there's always 10-20% that always says no, is always belligerant, nasty, small-minded, selfish, and cruel.

So factor in the drunk before noon, the lil bundles o' venomous joy, and the apocalyptic zealots and you got a good portion of that.

Oh, and then there's the vapid and obtuse...

I'm sure there's plenty of overlap in those categories, though, so your mileage may very.

[samsingh]

50. wow, that's an awfully high number Fluffers

[mandyky]

54. It's the same 30% that wanted Clinton impeached

The Fox viewers and the dittoheads and other hate radio folk. I am encouraged their number hasn't grown!

[RightSightBrightLite]

55. Bushism must be STOPPED if only to repudiate these blind, adolescent, ...

scary and mean,

HATE-channelers

devil-thought 'conduits'

here is a doctors insights from a widely circulated essay from early this year;

by Paul Levy
January 15, 2005 appeared in the Baltimore Chronicle

Bush, like all of us, is both a manifestation of this deeper field and simultaneously an agent effecting this field. He’s become so fully taken over by the disease, all the while not suspecting a thing, that he’s become a "carrier" for this deadly disease, thus infecting the field around him. He’s become a portal through which the field around him "warps" in such a way as to feed and support his pathogenic process. A non-local, reciprocally co-arising and interdependent field of unconscious denial and cover-up gets constellated around Bush to enable and protect his pathology. People who support Bush are actually complicit with and enabling Bush’s madness in a co-dependent, self-reinforcing feedback loop that is ‘closed,’ which is to say it is insular and not open to any feedback from the ‘real’ world.

Bush supporters are not merely disinterested in seeing that they are in denial of reality; on the contrary, they actively don’t want to look at this, which is to say they resist self-reflection at all costs. Bush and his supporters perversely interpret any feedback from the real world which reflects back their unconsciousness as itself evidence that proves the rightness of their viewpoint. All of Bush’s supporters mutually reinforce each other’s unconscious resistance to such a degree that a collective, interdependent field of impenetrability gets collectively conjured up by them that literally resists consciousness.

People who don't recognize Bush's illness and support him are unconsciously colluding with and enabling in the co-creation of the pathological field that is incarnating itself into the human family. People who support Bush become unwitting agents through which this non-local disease feeds and replicates itself. By supporting Bush they are collaborating with and becoming parts of the greater, interconnected and self-organizing field of the disease.

ANALAGOUS TO GERMANS IN THE TIME OF HITLER

The situation is very analogous to when seemingly good, normal, loving Germans supported Hitler, believing he was a good leader trying to help them. The German people didn't realize that the virulent pathogen malignant egophrenia had taken possession of Hitler and was incarnating itself through him. By not seeing this and supporting Hitler, they became agents used by this non-local, deadly disease to propagate itself. This was a collective psychosis, and this is what is taking place in our country right now.

This is exactly what C. G. Jung, one of the greatest psychologists of the twentieth century, was warning us about when he said "The gigantic catastrophes that threaten us today are not elemental happenings of a physical or biological order, but psychic events. To a quite terrifying degree we are threatened by wars and revolutions which are nothing other than psychic epidemics. At any moment several millions of human beings may be smitten with a new madness, and then we shall have another world war or devastating revolution. Instead of being at the mercy of wild beasts, earthquakes, landslides, and inundations, modern man is battered by the elemental forces of his own psyche."
*****

this is a challenge to humanity as a whole to grow up and out of our adolescent phase handicapped by holding on to outdated even insane and inhumane beliefs that seperate us from one another and Nature.

inhibiting the deeply dream't need to get in 'tune ' with the higher cause of our existence and through authenticity finally move forward to honor our full human potential and in gratitude, celebrate, learn and give, share and create 'Good' to honor and repaythe 'Gift' ! we have been given... Life ! and a beautiful mysterious Earth to respect, cherish, worship and HEAL.

and further more Paul says to not make even more intractable those pessimistic, stubborn neasayers who have not the courage to board the PeaceTrain, we might want to consider this point to better achieve greater unity;

Jung says, "Everything could be left undisturbed did not the new way demand to be discovered, and did it not visit humanity with all the plagues of Egypt until it finally is discovered." Malignant egophrenia is a modern-day plague of Egypt. If we don't see what it is symbolically revealing to us, malignant egophrenia will destroy us. It's a gesture from the universe, beckoning us, demanding us to integrate it and thereby receive its blessing. By prompting, pressuring and challenging us to come to terms with it and receive its gifts, malignant egophrenia has the potential to awaken us, thereby furthering the evolution of the species.

The fact that malignant egophrenia is manifesting in fully visible form in our world right now is an expression that this particular energy is available for assimilation in a way un-imaginable until now. When an unconscious content is ready to be integrated, it always gets dreamed up into fully materialized form. This is the dimension in which the energy bound up in the infinitely regressing feedback loop of the disease can be accessed and redeemed.

AND;

Malignant egophrenia forces upon us the responsibility to come to terms with the evil inside our own hearts. If we solidify Bush as being evil and react with righteous indignation, we are guilty of the very same thing we’re accusing Bush of (i.e, projecting the shadow). We then become a conduit for the very evil we’re reacting to. Who among us has not been guilty of being a channel for ME disease at one time or another? If, when we see this virulent pathogen, we contract against it and react in any way, be it in judgment, hatred, anger or revulsion, we’re helping to perpetuate the diabolical polarization that is the signature of the disease. Our reacting in this way, which is typical of many political activists, is itself an expression that we ourselves have the disease, or to say it more clearly, the disease has us.
*****

simply not stoop to the level of troubled, ignorant and misled, misguided mean people, despair is intentionally spread and sometimes tough to overcome for peoplewilling totell themselves lies and live with lies.

complete article @ http://www.yuricareport.com/Bush'sBody/TheMadnessOfGeorgeWBush.html

I have a simple equation

BadWar + Wasted Lives + Plame Case + HIGH Gas Prices =.....

Regime TakeDOWN !

" As it is, those of us considered "alarmists" are dismissed with a sad shake of the head as psychologically mal-conditioned doom-mongers. And far worse yet, many are now summarily categorized as "traitors" for having the temerity to observe and comment in public on various outrageously wicked, dangerous and idiotic activities underway in the name of preserving "civilization". When venal, frightened, hopelessly dishonest and secretive authorities designate the most thoughtful and concerned segment of a population as "traitors", we may take it as one more certain sign that the disintegration of dystopia is proceeding apace."

~Diane Harvey
Juggernaut Rising - Part One:
The Disintegration Of Dystopia
http://www.rense.com/general20/dys.htm

[blue sky at night]

61. hey welcome to DU.......

your first link is not working.

[Imagevision]

56. 30% is about right - it's about the same for who actually voted for him...

[bribri16]

58. 30% of the public thinks Elvis is still alive. n/t

[Fire Walk With Me]

59. Hey! These people could join the military if they support Bush!

Haha, that's not an original idea.

[johnnyrocket]

62. Just call them 'Bushbots', or 'politcally retarded'....

...or just plain criminally ignorant.