A headline and first paragraph from my own brain

[vickitulsa]

for a news piece I'd like to see in print or televised:

"Thanks, Dubya!" say the Islamist terrorists who wish to eliminate the United States as a power in the world, "for providing us a better training camp -- called the American Occupation in Iraq -- than we could ever have hoped to create for ourselves."

Sure looks that way to me, anyway.

These deadly America-hating terrorist types are not only NOT being defeated in Iraq, they are instead growing ever more dangerous as the Occupation drags on and they acquire better weaponry and the skills to use them most effectively.

The attack attempt in Jordan today with some sort of heat-seaking missile on a U.S. ship that was docked just makes my point loudly and clearly. If the Bush administration continues to keep our troops deployed in Iraq, terrorists bent on assaults on American interests and the slaughter of U.S. citizens are going to become so well trained and equipped that the result will inevitably be success in such attacks. They're acquiring Stinger missiles and other devastating weapons, and some people on their side who know how to use them to their best advantage are teaching the young guns of Islam what they know and sending them out to do the most damage possible.

I'm pretty sure there is a lot of pride developing right now among the Islamist terrorists who are our sworn enemies because they are clearly gaining ground and proving themselves to be adaptable, inventive, and as always, determined to do whatever it takes to make the United States PAY for what they perceive as our sins and wickedness. I've heard at least two generals say publicly in the last month or so that the insurgent attackers around Baghdad are extremely capable and have learned how to adapt to every protective measure we take.

The number of American troops killed and wounded just since W went on vacation and the even higher number of Iraqi soldiers, police, and civilians who have become casualties of terrorist attacks as well seem to demonstrate just how increasingly effective the enemy is becoming.

How long will it be before enough people with some influence on GWB recognize this burgeoning problem, this sabatoging of any U.S. efforts to quash terrorist capabilities to harm us? Or does anyone have any significant influence with him these days?

Looks like Poppa would put a bug in his ear about this issue because he surely must see the realities of this troubling development. Dubya clearly idolizes his father, so perhaps he is the ONLY one who might open his boy's eyes about how much worse he is making the terrorist threat by refusing to admit his mistakes, miscalculations, and misdeeds regarding the invasion of Iraq.

There are consequences to actions, right or wrong; but it would seem George W. Bush and his cronies believe they can ignore them indefinitely.

[Burried News]

1. Papa ain't a good guy - he's a CON and a very capable actor.

"Looks like Poppa would put a bug in his ear about this issue because he surely must see the realities of this troubling development. Dubya clearly idolizes his father, so perhaps he is the ONLY one who might open his boy's eyes about how much worse he is making the terrorist threat by refusing to admit his mistakes, miscalculations, and misdeeds regarding the invasion of Iraq."

41 has fooled alot of people for a long time. He's very clever and content to be thought a fool - that's where 43 learned how to get them to misunderestimate you.

Disguising who's the power is a very big part of the game - maybe the biggest of all.

[vickitulsa]

2. No argument from me there!

In fact, that paragraph was written at least halfway tongue-in-cheek, or should I say with more than a touch of sarcasm? My attitude was sardonic, for sure, but sometimes those subtleties are difficult to convey in the written word.

I hadn't quite thought of 41 as you described him insofar as being willing to be thought a fool in order to get his way sneakily; but it sure does fit. After all, a former CIA head is bound to think in terms of psyop tactics, and playing the fool is certainly one of those.

GHWB is also likely, I would think, to view the world from a covert standpoint in many respects as a result of his stint at "the Company," so it makes sense that he would have passed along to W his knack for utilizing subterfuge and deception -- or psychological camouflage.

I didn't really *expect* that the elder Bush would counsel his powerful son to back off and reexamine his thinking and his policies. He was just the only person I could think of who might actually have some sway on this stubborn, willful president.

--And thanks for your response to my first try at initiating a thread!

~VV

[Bluerthanblue]

3. Three scary quotes from the mastermind

that i found yesterday... and that show the intelligence of watching your adversaries closely-

We did not find it difficult to deal with Bush and his administration, because it is similar to regimes in our countries - both types include many who are full of arrogance and greed.
Osama bin Laden

And he moved the tyranny and suppression of freedom to his own country, and they called it the Patriot Act under the disguise of fighting terrorism.
Osama bin Laden

Bush the father did well in placing his sons as governors and did not forget to pass on the expertise in fraud from the leaders of the region to Florida to use it in critical moments.
Osama bin Laden

[vickitulsa]

4. Wow ... that's enough to make ya shudder!

I wonder if UBL has made any comments about the great big training camp his second-generation followers now have in Iraq?

(Sign at the Baghdad city limits: "IEDs For Jihadis Classes in Progress.")

[Burried News]

5. How is it that we don't really know what the opposition is saying?

Well we know why - but they sure are effective at it.

[Burried News]

6. Bin Laden grew up in a family at the center of what these guys do.

He knew BCCI. He knows the connections between oil and banking. He knew it was the Rockefellers who were instrumental in getting the twin towers built and that they were vital to the economy, especially in lower Manhattan where Rockefeller money is still heavily invested in real estate. He knew that an attack on Wall Street would inflict hundreds of millions of dollars in damage. And he knows that this is an oil economy; a pure oil economy.

He knows alot more than we'll ever know AND he sits in mountain deserts thinking and thinking and thinking ...

And we as a people must not know anything about him other than Iraq helped him. When have we ever fought an enemy that we MUST not know about? Why MUST we not know about him? Who hides in this cave with him?

[vickitulsa]

7. Umm ... perhaps an Islamist black ops type with more toys than a

Navy SEAL and the skill to evade all Western attempts to contain UBL's voice? One with a Confidential Informant or CI in his pocket -- a CI employed trustingly at a low level (but allowing intimate access to crucial intel) by a high-ranking member of the House of Saud, perhaps.

Wish I had some real answers to your pointed questions!

~VV

[Burried News]

8. I think al Qaeda has penetrated some Western Intelligence

services. It would be incredible if they didn't. BCCI had download commands for our satellite surveillance system and was running ops in Afghanistan and of course had strong links to Pakistan.

[vickitulsa]

9. Sorry I was late getting back to this...

but if you're still reading this thread, I wanted to say I agree with you. I have believed for some time, well, ever since 9-11, actually, that Al Qaida must have moles in quite a few Western intelligence services. It would be so easy for any enemy of the West to do, and especially enemies of the United States. Hell, the folks at Langley would probably welcome someone of Middle Eastern or Arabic descent with open arms into their fold, thinking he would make a great operative.

Which such a person would ... and that's the problem. Speaks the language, knows the region, comprehends the culture -- an ideal double agent!

It will certainly be interesting to see what we have to learn from the CNN special to be aired tonight, the one called "Dead Wrong," about the intelligence failure re WMDs in Iraq. It's about time a news service publicly examined that whole sham. That SHAMEful bit of duplicity that was KEY to getting the American public to go along with invading Iraq.

And wouldn't it be interesting somewhere down the line to find out just WHO a lot of those Al Qaida plants in Western intel agencies are?

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[Al-CIAda]

10. The non-response of NORAD and lack of defense of the Pentagon.

The non-response of NORAD and lack of defense of the Pentagon.
Testimony of Sentor Dayton and an interview with Dr. Bowman (Lt. Col. Ret. USAF) by Micheal Kane. He discusses the war games planned that very morning at the exact time and manner the event occured.
Powerful 15 min....must see imo

http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-08-04/dayton.html