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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:26 AM
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Conyers: Republican electoral dirty tricks - Paul Krugman Does It Again
Edited on Fri Aug-19-05 11:32 AM by paineinthearse
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Blogged by JC on 08.19.05 @ 10:23 AM ET

What Happened Last Fall? Paul Krugman Does It Again
A Call to Action -- Moving Forward to 2006

Today's New York Times has an excellent column by Paul Krugman. The topic: Republican electoral dirty tricks. It is well worth reading the entire piece. It also provides me an opportunity to reflect on the debate that has broken out among progressives about the 2004 election irregularities and how we move forward.

I think I can predict the initial reaction of many of you who have been closely following the Ohio 2004 Presidential election investigations. You will be disappointed that Mr. Krugman stops short of saying the election fraud and irregularities in the 2004 election cost Senator Kerry the White House. While it is no secret what conclusion I have drawn about that question, I do not share this disappointment.

I know that many of my fellow progressives think the official margin of victory for Bush in Ohio, well over 100,000 votes, is too large a margin to be entirely reversed by proof of fraud or malfeasance. For them to believe that to be the case, they need to see some reasonable quantification of the actual voters who were disenfranchised and, in turn, the actual votes that were lost. After all, unlike the Republicans who still think Saddam Hussein possessed WMD when we invaded Iraq and believe we are winning the war, who think that tax cuts for the wealthy will grow the economy and reduce the deficit, who think a grieving mother and an Ambassador's wife are "fair game," and who think that the way to fix Social Security is to destroy it, we progressives are a “reality based community.”

The problem with answering my fellow progressives' challenge for numbers is that so much of what happened in Ohio centered on unquantifiable events that makes counting the number of disenfranchised voters impossible. How can we determine exactly how many Kerry voters turned around and went home facing hopelessly long lines at the polls? Or how many voters were never registered, and were turned away on election day, because of bizarre and conflicting Ken Blackwell edits about the weight of voter registration forms? Or how many votes were lost because of machine defects or manipulation?

What I can say is what the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff said best in the Conyers report: "We have found numerous, serious election irregularities in the Ohio presidential election, which resulted in a significant disenfranchisement of voters. Cumulatively, these irregularities, which affected hundreds of thousand of votes and voters in Ohio, raise grave doubts regarding whether it can be said the Ohio electors selected on December 13, 2004, were chosen in a manner that conforms to Ohio law, let alone federal requirements and constitutional standards."* Is there an exact number? No. Was it potentially a net loss of more than 100,000 Democratic votes? I think so. I continue to investigate what happened in Ohio and in the rest of the nation in the 2004 election and maybe someday the evidence will be sufficiently irrefutable to convince every fair-minded person of the extent and effect of electoral wrongdoing in 2004.

In the meantime, my fellow progressives and I, agreeing with each other on so many things, could go back and forth arguing with one another -- not about whether the GOP played dirty -- but about whether there was ENOUGH fraud to shift the outcome of the election. I see this happen over and over between progressives, sometimes in a civil tone and sometimes not.^ In doing so, however, we would be losing sight of the fact that we actually disagree about very little. Krugman’s column brings that home.

"There was at least as much electoral malfeasance in 2004 as there was in 2000, even if it didn't change the outcome. And the next election may be worse." Indeed, I think we all agree that, when it comes to electoral dirty tricks, Republican partisans continue to outdo themselves election after election. The things Ken Blackwell did in Ohio were so blatant and, in many instances, so overt and public, that he made Katherine Harris seem shy and retiring by comparison.

Then, he talks about the near blackout about the 2004 election irregularities by the mainstream media: "But few Americans have heard these facts. Perhaps journalists have felt that it would be divisive to cast doubt on the Bush administration's legitimacy. If so, their tender concern for the nation's feelings has gone for naught: Cindy Sheehan's supporters are camped in Crawford, and America is more bitterly divided than ever." How true. But for the progressive voices on the radio, like the Stephanie Miller or Randi Rhodes newscasts, the Internet, and columnists like Willliam Raspberry, many would have no idea what went wrong in Ohio. I think we all agree that the mainstream media is not getting the truth out. (I recently heard Stephanie Miller say something self-deprecating to the effect that, if I had heard her show, I would not call it a "newscast." When you only hear about important news on shows like hers and Randi's, what else do you call it? That said, I agree that hers is a very unusual newscast.)

And then he gets to the heart of the matter: "We aren't going to rerun the last three elections. But what about the future?"

"Our current political leaders would suffer greatly if either house of Congress changed hands in 2006, or if the presidency changed hands in 2008. The lids would come off all the simmering scandals, from the selling of the Iraq war to profiteering by politically connected companies. The Republicans will be strongly tempted to make sure that they win those elections by any means necessary. And everything we've seen suggests that they will give in to that temptation."

Republicans find themselves with plunging poll numbers and an uncertain electoral landscape in 2006. Failure for them in their drive to keep control of the House of Representatives, and one party rule in Washington, means that, if reelected, I will become Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Henry Waxman will become Chairman of the Government Reform Committee, Louise Slaughter will become Chair of the Rules Committee, Charlie Rangel will Chair the Ways and Means Committee, and Nancy Pelosi will be the first woman to be Speaker of the House. That means accountability for this Administration with a stiff dose of the truth.

Make no mistake about it. Desperate times will lead to desperate tactics and partisans supporting Republican candidates will pull out every dirty trick in the book to stop us from bringing checks and balances back to the federal government. What do we do about it?

First, we must be vigilant and we must use every legal means at our disposal to stop the pre and post election manipulations. Second, we must push for legislation at the state and federal level to reform our elections, including providing a voter verified paper ballot.

More immediately, however, we must work harder to take back the House and to do so by a large enough margin so that the malfeasance and fraud makes no difference. I want you to start today (the election is just a little more than 14 months away) because they are. Start organizing in your neighborhood and precinct. Join your local democratic party if you haven't already. Talk to your relatives and friends about how much is at stake in 2006. Support progressive and alternative media that help get our message out by spreading the word about your favorite progressive talk radio hosts and stations, and the blogs you read. Support the candidates of your choice by signing up to be a volunteer for their campaigns, for the DCCC, or by making a financial contribution. Write letters to the editor about the lack of accountability in our government for the bad decisions made by this Congress and this Administration.

In sum, I have a small request: do everything you did for the 2006 election that you did last year in a close Presidential election marred by malfeasance and fraud, and then do more. It is never too soon to start.

*Those irregularities included: "The misallocation of voting machines led to unprecedented long lines that disenfranchised scores, if not hundreds of thousands, of predominantly minority and Democratic voters"..."Mr. Blackwell’s decision to restrict provisional ballots resulted in the disenfranchisement of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of voters, again predominantly minority and Democratic voters"..."Mr. Blackwell’s widely reviled decision to reject voter registration applications based on paper weight may have resulted in thousands of new voters not being registered in time for the 2004 election"..."The Ohio Republican Party’s decision to engage in preelection “caging” tactics, selectively targeting 35,000 predominantly minority voters for intimidation had a negative impact on voter turnout"..."The Ohio Republican Party’s decision to utilize thousands of partisan challengers concentrated in minority and Democratic areas likely disenfranchised tens of thousands of legal voters, who were not only intimidated, but became discouraged by the long lines"..."We learned of improper purging and other registration errors by election officials that likely disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters statewide...The Greater Cleveland Voter Registration Coalition projects that in Cuyahoga County alone over 10,000 Ohio citizens lost their right to vote as a result of official registration errors."..."There were 93,000 spoiled ballots where no vote was cast for president, the vast majority of which have yet to be inspected"...."There were numerous, significant unexplained irregularities in other counties throughout the state, in Mahoning county at least 25 electronic machines transferred an unknown number of Kerry votes to the Bush column" and "in Miami county, voter turnout was an improbable and highly suspect 98.55 percent, and after 100 percent of the precincts were reported, an additional 19,000 extra votes were recorded for President Bush."

^ On some blogs, my staff advises me that the critique of allegations of irregularities has been so angry and accusatory, and allegations of irregularities so wild and unsubstantiated, that I could be banned for posting this entry -- the topic itself is forbidden.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:45 AM
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1. Krugman's last paragraph says what I've been thinking...
Our current political leaders would suffer greatly if either house of Congress changed hands in 2006, or if the presidency changed hands in 2008. The lids would come off all the simmering scandals, from the selling of the Iraq war to profiteering by politically connected companies. The Republicans will be strongly tempted to make sure that they win those elections by any means necessary. And everything we've seen suggests that they will give in to that temptation.


I don't understand why the Democratic leaders aren't more concerned. I'm making a copy of his editorial, along with Conyers' blog entry, & I'm mailing it to Mary Landrieu with a request that she give me a reply.

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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:55 AM
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2. Because absent a few dedicated patriots, they, by their silence
are party to, and complicit in the greatest crimes EVER committed on the people by its government. A complete sell-out to corporations and the PNAC/Bu$hco crime family. We are being made a slave nation.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 02:06 PM
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5. Whatever the reason, I am beginning to think there's some
complicity between parties, perhaps back-door deals made beforehand.

Just fantasizing here, but I can imagine H.W. making the deal for his super rich brat ("I wanna play prezinet") back in 1999. I also could imagine H.W. making a deal for the Texas governorship, also, when junior wanted to play governor.

One significant factor on our side is the opinion polls -- barring another 9-11, that is. And that takes us right back to Krugman's last paragraph, in regard to how low the Republicans will stoop to stay in power.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:07 PM
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10. It sure seemed that Congress wasn't too worried about Bush going to war
as he did. IIRC, they first tried to bypass the official chain, then went back and did it correctly but with little challenge.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 02:01 PM
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21. Something doesn't smell right about their standoffishness.
They should be yelling from the rooftops -- particularly those regulars on the Sunday talk shows. Screw the corporate sponsors.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 12:59 AM
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16. Well said. "by their silence"...and it's ongoing on election fraud and
Iraq. Why is Hagel calling for us to leave Iraq and the Senate Democrats are saying nothing in unison. Kick Lieberman out and make a stand in unity. You will win. I wonder if Ben Nelson, D, NE is paying attention. This may get him off the fence. Reid has a stroke and I hope he gets better soon. It's time to hear him call * a "liar" again.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 01:32 PM
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3. If you are near an office...
...consider calling for an appointment and going in person. I've found all email does is generate a "canned" reply, if that. And I have two of the most liberal of all the Senators.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 02:00 PM
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4. I was planning on using snail mail.
Mary Landrieu is all I've got, & even she is trying to stay in the middle of the road. Judging from some of the nasty campaigns she's had in the past, however, I know she can be courageous & that she doesn't think much of Republicans.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 10:47 PM
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12. This is a most important letter from Conyers and that Krugman would
actually write about this is a gift of the Gods/Godesses or whatever anyone believes.

I've got a post in my State Forum here on DU begging for some folks to help us monitor County Election Boards in only three NC Counties (we've managed to find recruits by begging and cajoling for the other counties.) But the three Counties left are large one of them is Charlotte (Mecklenberg County which is huge) in NC which is going to have to buy new voting machines and the DRE makers are already in their hawking their wares to sell "printers" with the DRE's to satisfy the Verified Paper Ballot Bill which DU'ers and others worked so hard to get passed in the NC State Senate just last week.

I hope that whatever state you live in you will get involved and go to your County Elections Board site, get the names of the Officials and go to the meetings and inform them of why all our votes need to have Verified Paper Ballots which can be recounted if an election is in question and to make sure that the "Touch Screen Machines" even with a "printer" attached are not allowed in the new purchases which HAVA Act insists must be in place by Election 2006.

We MUST try to work to make our elections fair for '06 just in case we have another close one so that Conyers and Waxman can begin Impeachment hearings. We cannot just count on Bush being so weak that Dems will turn out in enough numbers to overwhelm the crooked Electors that may be out there, and the DRE Machines that get slipped in, inspite of our efforts and even the Opti-Scan Counters of full sized paper ballots.

We need to have Dems voicing their opinions and monitoring on our County Elections Boards. Every DU'er needs to get involved and go to those local County Meetings.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 12:57 AM
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15. Damn
You're stuck with HER!!!!

I'm so sorry...
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 03:00 PM
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6. there are some who would rather not know the truth--psst Marketing
the Corporate Media...and staying away from divisive issue like really (non-horse race) election coverage
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 03:29 PM
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7. Kick!
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:45 PM
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8. are we reaching the tipping point
where we are no longer tinfoil hat club? I know Democrats who aren't taking this seriously because it does not fit within their paradigm.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 06:59 PM
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9. Thank you for posting this.
Mr Conyers speaks plainly about what others twisted yesterday.

The investigations are ongoing and Kerry/Edwards are still in the midst. PDA wrongly attacked Kerry/Edwards yesterday and misconstrued the earlier letter from Conyers.

This is from Democracy Cell Project about this subject:

"Kerry conceded because he lost the popular vote, and with that, the ability to legitimately/politically ask for an immediate recount.

He never intended to NOT investigate the vote, particularly in Ohio. But I saw the email from his campaign manager in Ohio--the one that said there was no evidence of outright fraud AT THAT TIME.

No one sat around--there was a huge amount of investigation--and much has come to light over time.

I understand that, had they been able to get anyone to come forward with proof, they would have called for an investigation before the vote was certified in January.

I also understand that John Kerry has supported the investigation of all legitimate concerns about the 2004 elections. He knows what happened.

There were, apparently, three lawsuits in Ohio. The one that PDA is asking people to complain about is the first--the Badnarik-Green lawsuit. It is not a strong case. Lawyers have advised that this one is not winnable.

There are TWO MORE LAWSUITS and THEY are going forward. The second and third lawsuits are, according to my sources, based more on the civil rights issues and Kerry-Edwards are indeed part of these suits.

It is also my understanding that more evidence has come out, and perhaps, some testimonials from observers within the state, with evidence. Ohio is not over. And John Kerry has not stopped fighting.

He never has and he won't. He is a quiet warrior, but he is a warrior.

You can take that to the bank--and the other blogs. Thank you."

http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2005/08/a_mothers_dream.html#comments
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trudyco Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 08:09 PM
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11. Is there some reason we can't get an independent party
to monitor the vote? Do their own independent exit poll? Like the UN? That's what I suggested on Conyer's blog before.
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:48 AM
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20. Well we can certainly ask
The United Nations for election monitors. Actually this was suggested before the 2004 election, and the need is not less now.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:16 PM
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13. what should be the standard of proof ??
Conyers raises a very interesting point ... what should the standard of proof be to request a "do over" in an election? many have decided that, given the 'official' margin of victory, it would be difficult to document sufficient problems to make up the difference ...

but the nature of "process problems" (e.g. long lines in Democratic areas) does not yield to that kind of specificity ... once it can be demonstrated that there was a wide-scale "process problem", the election results should have been voided and a new election held ... anything short of this deprived the voters of Ohio, and of course the Kerry-Edwards ticket, of a fair election ...

with the exception of minor problems with the process, the standard should be "do it right or do it over" ...

great post, paineinthearse ...
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:18 PM
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14. Is Krugman the last excellent columnist at NYT?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 01:01 AM
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17. Kick for the Truth
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 07:58 AM
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18. Thanks or keeping this alive
Almost there................
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dalloway Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 09:03 AM
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19. Bravo, Congressman
having you lead the Judiciary committee is the single largest reason we need a Democratic House in '06!
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:47 PM
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22. duplicate thread
which is a great thing in this case

ill kick for all to see again
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 09:00 PM
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23. How Blackwell got away with all that shit is mind-boggling!
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