Hilliary Clinton wants 80k more troops.....from where?

[HardWorkingDem]

Where does Clinton think these young people will come from? This isn't an attack on her, but where do these people exist?

Why would any soldier or citizen join the reserves after being called up for so long? Why would 80k more poor kids join up when the potential to be used like the Bushies have used them remains?

The Army is not meeting its recruiting goals this year, so where are these people to be found? Inmates leaving prison maybe?!?!?

What we need is some sort of mandatory public service. When I was in the service the refrain, "you volunteered" was habitually thrown in our faces. And that is the problem we have now - other than the Sheehan's of the world, not many people are willing to speak up about the use of service members and it is time to quit excusing the off spring of chicken hawks from their responsibility of sacrificing for this country, just like the poor and working class.

[mhr]

1. The Reason I Will Never Vote For Her

And she is now my Senator.

[ClayZ]

2. Then she should send her daughter! n/t

[Radical Activist]

3. Arkansas n/t

[election_2004]

4. She's saying it to make herself look good / tough

Cuz the first woman to become president needs to hold *hawkish* positions, dontchaknow.

As Hillary's apologists will drone:

"She's doing what she needs to do, as a woman, in order to position herself to be the first woman with a real shot at winning the presidency."

Time for a Kool-Aid detox...!!!

[jrthin]

5. As Chris Rock

said on the Bill Maher Show, it's easy to say send it more troops as long "we talking about niggers and Mexicans."

I've said before, and I'll say it again, maybe Mrs. Clinton will consider sending Chelsea. And this goes for all the senators, congress people and president, they too should send their children first. then we may consider sending in OUR children to die.

[cobaindrain]

12. I just wonder

what % of the military right now is middle to upper middle class white...and what % is black and hispanic.

I live in a pretty big upper middle class suburb and don't know of anybody who is in the service.

[theHandpuppet]

6. We still have the Boy Scouts and Campfire Girls

Seriously, though, this is one reason I'm actually in favor of a draft. Until the burden and the loss is shared BY ALL, including the upper classes, this war will continue as long as Bush can find enough poor and working people to load up his war machine. When the sons and daughters of the upper classes get deployed to Iraq this war will stop. I suggest Barbara and Jeena should be the first in line to sign up.

[Jack from Charlotte]

55. Don't forget Poland.*

[DerekG]

7. Depravity knows no gender

Remember this when you hear the next inane "if women ran the world there would be no war" diatribe.

[lastknowngood]

8. Ask her when Chelsey is signing up for combat. I'm tired of these

Chickenhawks from both partys spouting this bullshit. Shutup or put your kids life on the line!

[tx_dem41]

25. Chelsea is an adult. That would be her choice. Hillary isn't responsible

for making her decisions.

[cobaindrain]

9. she doesn't really mean this

it's just tough talk, all politicians do this.

and no, we don't need mandatory public service

[In Truth We Trust]

10. Fuck her and the horse she rode in on. DLC dinos suck!

[bahrbearian]

18. Yes

:toast:

[LSK]

51. I second the motion

:thumbsup:

[kodi]

61. i don't understand those who think the sun shines out her asshole

are we so bereft of heroes that someone like her is held up as a role model?

[MN ChimpH8R]

11. Hillary has zero credibility left with me

Supporting the war, this bullshit, her half-witted attack on video games (for Jeebus' sake, grandstanding about fucking video games while the world goes to hell in a handcart - talk about rearranging the deck furniture on the Titanic :grr:). She is a panderer and a fool and a likely tool of the DLC. I once had a lot of respect for her but she jumped the shark at least three years ago.

Wouldn't vote for her under ANY circumstances.

[Alva Goldbook]

13. Hiliary's too little too late

80k more troops might have helped...two years ago. today it's a waste of time....waste of money....waste of effort....and a waste of lives. the best option is to get the hell out as quickly as possible and leave Iraqis to figure it out for themselves while we pay them massive reparations.

[niallmac]

14. "Where does Clinton think these young people will come from?"

And I am attacking her. I had no idea what was going on with 'my democrats' 'til I joined DU and got a real education about the DLC and the agenda to snuff liberalism.
I have no time for Hillary.

[roguevalley]

15. if she does, then one of them should be Chelsea. If not, then STFU!

[autorank]

16. OK, so can we NOW officially WRITE HER OFF the list for 2008

Every now and then, a politician does something they cannot undo. Well, this is it. What rock does she live under? The troops should be protected and supported as they leave. A deal should be cut to make the leaving and aftermath as civil as possible. That's it. WTF 80K more! Not in the real of the possible.

She's way out there on this one. Her Youth for Goldwater experience must have included hypnotic indoctrination to return to the fold when foreign matters are at stake.

[OneTwentyoNine]

20. Wrote her ass off when she found "common ground" with Operation rescue

Those thugs cost this city millions and one doctor getting shot. So Hillary...Randal Terry and his terrorist are people you can find common ground with?

[autorank]

43. Holy KOS! I din't know about this one.

I'm stunned, simply stunned. She and her husband should leave on the same plane that will take * and his family to Saudi Arabia after the Fitzgerald indictments.

:nuke:

Do you have a link?

[OneTwentyoNine]

17. Chelesa,Bush twins and Jeb Bush's son..Only 79,996 to go...

How bout it Hill,want Chelesa to go??

[wurzel]

19. Where did you read this?

[OneTwentyoNine]

24. NY Post has the story if you subscribe on the web...n/t

[wurzel]

62. thanks.

[Pepperbelly]

21. I think you should take a deep breath. You do not get the nature of ...

what she is saying.

She is advocating raising the size of the standing army authorized by law. Period.

[OneTwentyoNine]

23. True,but where do you suppose an additional 80K troops would end up?

Maybe the SMART thing would have been to VOTE AGAINST letting Bush start an War based on nothing but LIES. The need for 80K more troops wouldn't be there....

[Pepperbelly]

true enough but ...

there you go.

Personally, I favor withdrawing from Iraq right here and now. Send in as many passenger and cargo flights as possible and start pulling them out.

[HardWorkingDem]

27. Yes, I got the nature of what she said.....

but the question that STILL needs to be asked is, where will these new service people come from? And I'm not asking about Iraq troop levels.

People probably will not join or stay in the reserves after they have seen how they are being abused, over extended and crapped on (a good book to read is The Last True Story I'll Ever Tell - it's by a former active duty, now reservist who spent more time in Iraq than many active soldiers - his unit kept getting extended while regular units were brought in, stayed for a tour, then left and another one would take its place).

Then you have the opinion of young people - if they see Bush's war as an elective and political war, they might decide to just get student loans and go deep into debt.

And so on.

[Pepperbelly]

36. they will try to recruit them.

Either they will manage or they will not. If they do not, they may lower standards, raise pay, provide incentives.

[LSK]

52. WHICH IS BULLSHIT

Enough of this huge military buildup. Get the fvck out of Iraq. Stop invading countries. Nobody wants war anymore except the United States. Al Queda is an INTELLIGENCE AND POLICING ISSUE. 80k troops are not needed, 80k CIA investigators like Valery Plame are needed.

ENOUGH WITH THIS FVCKING MILITARY BUILDUP BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

22. feel the Draft?

[Imagevision]

26. I wouldn't be surprised if they tapped the prisons -->

if you make it back? your free.

[Cha]

28. I feel a Draft or is she just

blowing smoke outta her ass?

[radio4progressives]

29. the DLC wants to re-institute the Draft - which MUST be OPPOSED!

this is the most important issue at the moment.

The Draft must NOT be promoted and re-instituted. Citizens of every stripe across the country must OPPOSE the Draft at every turn. Activily speaking out against it now, whenever it's even hinted at (which it has been now for two years) but NOT AFTER it's re-instituted is imperative.

When I hear people on AAR hinting/discussing this notion with politicians such as Rangle and others, i really get livid with the ignorance of the broadcasters that are supposed to be intelligent and progressive. Like Ed Schultz, Jerry Springer, and Randi Rhodes -shilling for the DLC and their pro-war stance at every turn is sickening .

If this continues, i think it's really going to hurt the future of AAR on commercial radio. And we're going to be guaranteed endless war throughout the ME and quite possibly South America as in other regions around the world.

[leesa]

30. How refreshing...more neocon warmongering!

[laugle]

31. I never thought I would say this being from

the Vietnam generation and always anti-war but; I see 2 options; either send in more troops or get the hell out of there! Obviously, what is happening now is a total sham and is not working. But I have no doubt, if we leave now, we will be back. I can't help but think of what will happen when we leave. We know it will be alot worse then before we came, i.e., similar to Iran, and a breeding ground for terrorists. I really don't have any good answers, this is a horrendous mess Bush created and this one his daddy can't get him out of. Don't misunderstand my post, I am not for this war by any means, but leaving those kids there, bascically as targets is wrong! But is leaving the only answer. I'm just not sure........

[tx_dem41]

33. Actually, I think your post is a great post.

It perfectly illustrates the dilemma we not only have within our party, but it correctly attributes the problem to the incompetence of the Administration.

[laugle]

35. Wow, I was ready for the onslaught of attacks,

I knew there were many thoughtful people who might get it. I just hope some insightful people might have an answer to the horrible dilemma rather than attacking our democratic leaders. Remember when we get back in the white house, we may be stuck with cleaning up Bush's mess.

[bvar22]

57. How many more Iraqis do we need to kill?

If you could show that expanding the US presence in Iraq, staying longer, and killing even more Iraqis could somehow make things better, then I might agree with you.

Have you checked World History for a precedent?

[laugle]

59. Well I think that is the problem, we have been

constantly lied to, so It is very hard to tell wheather more troops would solve anything. I don't claim to have any answers, but I do know that this current war is a total sham. Because of Bush's inability to admit he screwed up, means he will do nothing to change the situation.

[AuntPatsy]

34. Excellent synoposis and one that should be at least considered.

[Jacobin]

39. 550,000 troops in Viet Nam

We "Vietnamized" the war by training South Vietnamese forces to be loyal to the puppet government we installed.

It fell apart. Who's gonna fight and die for an unpopular puppet government established by a foreign government.

We are attempting to do exactly the same thing now.

LBJ dramatically increased troops levels in Viet Nam, to clean it up, get it done right and win it.

When Hillary does the same thing, why does anyone think the outcome will be different.

Bush has created an incredibly giant mess. We can stick our heads further into it, or get out and let Iraqis run their own country.

It is going to be an absolute disaster for the United States either way.

choose your poison

[laugle]

41. The only question I have is,

do you believe the insurgency in Iraq is as great in numbers as was in vietnam? Because we are told soooo many lies, it's hard to tell how big this insurgency is. The fact that we don't have people to secure, at the very least, the Iran/Iraq border, and they are able to funnel weapons in, seems to be a major factor in the continuing insurgency. This seems to me to totally defeat the purpose of our soldiers being there. We all know Rumsfeld tried to do the war on the cheap and they won't admit they made a huge mistake, so the kids are dying for it! Let's face it, the situation is very complex and unlike Vietnam, when we leave Iraq, there will be major ramifications to our national security. Thanks for your post.

[autorank]

44. You pose a fascinating dilemma.

I'm old too (haha), well not that old. Lauren Hutton says "50 is the new 30" and I've come to trust her.

You summed it up when you said "I really don't have any good answers, this is a horrendous mess..."

We maybe not but that's above our pay grade. The f'ing leaders ought to damn well come up with some. * is now at 38% approval and the CM (corporate media) hasn't really let loose yet. When he's about about 30%, he's toast. When "management" tries to put in their "guy", the demand should be (well, it should put in Gore, he won in 2000) nobody is acceptable unless they have a plan to leave.

One thing for sure, everybody agrees that OUR PRESENCE creates conflict, sustains it. So, leaving will reduce it. We just have to do so in a way that allows the least misery. Saying ensures misery, leaving allows some chance for improvement.

It is a lousy situation, worthy of the lousiest president ever!

[ElectroPrincess]

48. Do you know exactly what you are implying?!?

"I can't help but think of what will happen when we leave."

What? Maybe the Brits should have "ramped up" their troops hell bent for leather during our American Revolution? After all, us Yankees are uncouth savages who can't sort things out on OUR OWN.

IMO, saying that THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ cannot get "their own" country in order is blatantly racist and American-like ethnocentric. Sort of like, we have to stay there and help those ignorant little Brown People help themselves.

BULLSHIT! I believe, given the carnage (especially among the Iraqis)the average Iraqi would be grateful for us to leave even if the country degrades into civil war for the short term.

The SOONER we get our IMPERIAL A**ES out of the Middle East, the sooner the *native peoples* can sort out that part of the world themselves.

We must leave NOW!

[laugle]

54. You read way to much into my post.

It is the responsibility of the Iraqi people to take care of and govern their own country. And I agree with you that most of them want us gone.

My thoughts are about the ramifications to the United States, i.e., broadening the terrorists base, new terrorists training camps, an Islamic republic similar to Iran.

As I said before, it is important not only to see where we are today, but to look at the aftermath and how it will eventually effect our own country.

[Jacobin]

32. And here goes the LBJing of the democratic party

fucking morons.

They are just fucking morons

[ComerPerro]

37. How many College Republicans are there?

[mmonk]

38. Must be looking to have another

convention like '68.

[Totally Committed]

40. I say no politician, pundit, columnist, talking head, or "spokesperson"

is allowed to advocate for, shill for, bang the drums for, or VOTE for any war that either they, nor anyone in their family is willing to fight in.

The day I see Chelsea Clinton in Khakis, we'll talk. Otherwise, Hillary should just shut her cake-hole.

[npincus]

42. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HISSSSSSSSS, Hillary

I'm voting for the person who is going to get us the hell out of there the fastest.

[Disturbed]

47. Most of us know why...

the Bush Regime decided to overthrow Saddam and why the Occupation will remain. What we don't now is what sort of deal did the Bush Regime make with al Sistani. There must have been one because al Sistani could have kicked the Bush Regime out of Iraq and he hasn't called for that.

Ms. Clinton is a fave of the RW and the Repub Lites. Any progressive that
feels that Ms. Clinton is anything but Repub Lite should view her voting record.

[mmonk]

45. Maybe

a Sith has a clone army for her.

[jonnyblitz]

46. maybe she can get chelsea to enlist.

snicker.

[Roland99]

49. And people wonder why Hillary is so hated by true liberals

Guess that means she supports Islamic-based rule-of-law and the regressoin of women's rights that will come along with that?

[theHandpuppet]

50. Just think... if those 80,000 troops were deployed right here at home

... we could safeguard our ports, nuclear facilities, borders, rail and transporation lines, power plants, etc.

But truly making us safe from terror isn't what Iraq is about, is it.

[Skwmom]

53. She should urge her daughter to go down to the local recruiting office.n/m

[Jamison]

56. Hillary is just a female version of *

[Donailin]

58. Hillary can fuck herself

I really hope she has eyes on these blogs. We are the mobilized, we are thwe ones who are going to shape the news in the months and years to come. If she thinks she is going to be the (D)candidate for president, she better think again.

[bemildred]

60. Hillary was a big supporter of the Contras in Nicaragua.

What else do you need to know?