New thought on Hillary.

[Mr Rabble]

So I am donning my flame suit for this.

I think Hillary may indeed get the nomination in 2008. The Republican nomination. Here is how I come to this conclusion.

It has been said that Bill CLinton was the best Republican president we have ever had. After all, it is hard to equate NAFTA and media deregulation with the ideals of the democratic party. I think President Clinton did a fine job and would welcome him back in a heartbeat. God knows he was the best President in my 33 years.

That said, I am more than a bit dismayed by his actions since leaving office. The right wingers would suggest that for a former president to criticize a sitting president is uncouth. While that maybe true, how can our last elected President sit idly by while he is blamed for everything wrong in our country today? Even as he is now being blamed for 9/11, he has said nary a word.

In fact, he has seemingly made some new friends as of late. We have all seen the pictures of him and GHWB. They went together to help fund raising after the Tsunami, and have been fast friends ever since.

All the while Hillary has been reaching out to folks like Newt Gingrich on a regular basis. We all saw her last week with McCain and Co. in Alaska. We have seen her voting record this past session and with few exceptions she has been right of center or dead center. Now I am not suggesting that she needs to stand with the far left of our party(which i do) but rather with our party at all. Feel free to disagree.

I have also noticed that her new friends are wholeheartedly supporting her. Newt is apparently a big fan. He has even predicted her to be our next elected president. Those are very telling words from the leader of the republican revolution. Further confirmation of my thoughts come from the Faux news folks who have been much more subdued in their hatred of Hillary as of late. Now, I am not suggesting that Hannity will issue an on-air apology any time soon; rather he seems to have dialed back the rhetoric recently. Same goes to O'Lielly. (Thank you Newshounds!)

So here comes 2006. Will she run for her senate seat or not? I don't know. What I think is that she will find some reason not to run, while denying her ambition for 2008.

So, why would she not seek the Democratic nomination? Because Dean will find a way to sink her. Also, I think she knows that she wont do well in the primaries. Like it or not, she carries lots of baggage and will be savaged by other Dem's during election season. However, that quest for power is an unquenchable thirst...

So, I see Hillary running as VP to McCain in 2008, as Republicans.

I'm nuts right? No way would a right winger vote for Hillary, right?

I'm not so sure. I think that if the Republicans ran Satan w/ Richard Simmons as VP, they would somehow manage to fool everyone just as they have with Bush/Cheney and their HORRIBLE policies. Fascism generally includes great advertising.

I think that Hillary would be welcomed by the religious right for her church- going activities, as well as "sticking by her man". I think that your garden variety freeper would, over the course of a 2 year election season and the appropriate propaganda, learn to love Hillary as their own. They seem to have really short memories and little values, so this I don't feel is a stretch.

After all, this is about power right?

And then we turn to McCain. He who would allow his wife to be smeared and his character impugned, without fighting back- at all. I see these two as being cut from different sides of the same cloth. We all know that McCain would manage to pull many centrist voters from us, and as I said, I believe Hillary could also take Dem voters with her as well.

Although I readily admit that for right wingers Hillary is the most hated person on the planet, I think that if the Rove machine tells everyone that she is a good choice, they will cave in and vote for her.

So this really boils down to party loyalty, if we see my thesis to its conclusion. Will Hillary accept not being the democratic nominee? Will she stay in New York as a Senator? Or will she defect to the other side in a brilliant power grab?

These are my thoughts.

Flame away

[progressoid]

1. I have a fundie, RW aunt that said she would vote for Hillary.

Sounds like you may be on to something. Everything seems to have shifted to the right in the last decade.

[ronnykmarshall]

2. Waiting for the monkeys to fly out of my ass!

:silly:

[eleny]

3. Hmmm....

:popcorn:

[Pepperbelly]

4. I find nothing ...

valid in your post. Sorry.

The premises are flawed and you have bought into far too many right wing lies for me to even know where to start.

[Mr Rabble]

5. fair enough. nt

[Vickers]

6. There ain't enough mops in the universe to mop up the fundie brains

from that scenario.

[Sparkle]

7. Not likely but we must remember Hillary was a Republican at one

point in her life.....until she met Big Dog. :-)

[pretzel4gore]

9. she was a goldwater activist...

and no matter how you slice it, goldwater was far right...that means the 'privileges of the few trump the needs of the many'....hillary is comfortable with that, it seems

[Mr Rabble]

11. This was part of my thinking.

The GOP knows that after 8 years of wingnut policy, it needs a centrist.

For this reason I dont see Frist getting the nod.

[Nightjock]

8. I disagree

except that Hillary is just barely a Democrat. I am growing to dislike her.

[SaveElmer]

10. Sorry...this is just ridiculous

Hillary is a good and loyal Democrat with an ADA rating of 95. I'm sorry if people don't agree with her on some issues, but to suggest she would defect to the Republican Party is just ridiculous.

She is being seen with moderates and conservatives in some instances to moderate the liberal view most have of her...that is all...and is the same thing Bill did in '92.

I think she would make a great nominee and a great President!!!

[Mr Rabble]

12. I also think she will be a great President.

Im just unsure about how that will happen, thats all.

[AtomicKitten]

13. Time Will Tell

Hillary is trying what Kerry did, to run to the right of Bush.
In time, a strong anti-Bush policy candidate will emerge from the Democratic Party that will garner a HUGE following. No need to embrace BushCo's policies that are obviously failing or, worse yet, expand on them. In time, they will see that. The Dems were pounded for being pussies, and there are some that seem intent on answering that BS by being war-mongers.

It will all sort itself out in time.

I hope people will refrain from making pledges about how they are going to vote in 2008 before waiting for the dust to settle.

[Mr Rabble]

14. Agreed. I am with you here. Waiting for a real alternative here.

[tomg]

15. As I posted elsewhere

I think it is going to be a Biden/McCain ticket against a Hillary/Newt Ticket. I might have it wrong. Maybe it will be McCain/ Hillary vs. Biden/Newt. I don't think we need to worry about parties, though. It is really a case of corporate sponsorship: coke on one side, pepsi on the other. I am not being sarcastic; I am terrible depressed.

[AtomicKitten]

16. are you high?

Seriously.

[snowbear]

17. I agree. The Hillary posters are out in full force tonight...

Maybe they had a little of this > :beer:

And a lot of that > :smoke:

[tomg]

18. Actually, I was over at the

DLC site reading some of their position papers, and then, of course, I heard about Hillary Clinton's call for 80,000 more troops on DU thread). To put it mildly, currently I am not happy with Senator Clinton. Hence my comments. Still, Larissa, glad you liked my crack about brushing teeth with battery acid and flossing with razor blades.

[omega minimo]

19. "How are people this stupid?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1995150

[LittleClarkie]

20. I think she has to win in 2006

in order to run in 2008.

She'd lose her pulpit otherwise.