Diebold is being questioned in San Diego

[Nikki Stone 1]

Apparently two precincts' votes are being recounted by hand. Does anyone have more specific info on this?

[NorCalDem]

1. Please find a discrepancy in the counts!

Please find a discrepancy in the counts! Please find a discrepancy in the counts! Please find a discrepancy in the counts! Please find a discrepancy in the counts! Please find a discrepancy in the counts! Please find a discrepancy in the counts! Please find a discrepancy in the counts! Please find a discrepancy in the counts! Please find a discrepancy in the counts! Please find a discrepancy in the counts! Please find a discrepancy in the counts!

[Nikki Stone 1]

2. If repetition created reality, you'd have a universe, my friend

I would like more info, though.

[GreenPartyVoter]

3. AMEN!

[Booster]

7. Well, unfortunately it depends on who's counting the votes by hand.

[Contrary1]

4. Is this what you are talking about?

Exclusive: Citizens Request Recount in San Diego Mayoral Race

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Citizens_Request_Recount_IN_SAN_DIEGO_MAYO_0818.html

[Nikki Stone 1]

9. Yes this is it!

"Now, a nonpartisan citizens' group that conducted a parallel election has requested a recount of 11 precincts. This time, the issue isn't unmarked bubbles, but the accuracy of Diebold Accu-Vote optical scan voting machines and the Diebold GEMS central tabulator used to count votes.

The Citizens Audit Parallel Election (CAPE) asked voters exiting polls to vote again and sign a log book attesting to the accuracy of their second vote. Sealed parallel election ballots were counted at KGTV's studio with a TV camera crew filming the counting process.

Nearly 50 percent of all voters participated in the parallel election, which included five polling places representing 11 precincts. The sample included more conservative than liberal precincts, with participation as high among Republicans as among Democrats. The tandem election results showed what most feel to be startling results.

"There is a shift of four percent of the vote, consistently," Joe Prizzi, (engineer and physicist,) reported at a press conference held by CAPE in front of City Hall. Frye received 50.2 percent of the votes cast in the parallel election - enough for an outright victory if those results reflect the outcome citywide. CAPE also found that the official count added approximately 2 percent to each of Frye's two Republican opponents, Jerry Sanders and Steve Francis.

In addition, CAPE examined the only other ballot measure, a proposition over a war memorial cross on public land. The proposition's vote total also appeared to have been padded by 4 percent in the official election tally, which was certified Friday August 19 by San Diego County's newly appointed Registrar of Voters, Republican Mikel Haas.

Math is non-partisan

A team of statisticians from California State University- Northridge - have analyzed the data from CAPE, concluding that the probability of luck or chance as the cause of the observed four percent deviation is less than one in 1,300 - or .000678.

Activists suspect fraud. "I am troubled by the prospect that we are losing our democracy very quickly. We've been voting on machines that were never intended to be tools of democracy," said Brina-Rae Schuchman, media spokesperson for CAPE, noting that Diebold machines utilize "secret software."

[windbreeze]

11. FINALLY....SOMEONE

was using their brains, and took action....and IF I recall correctly...when AAnold was elected...there was something about him only being elected overwhelmingly in 7 counties that used electronic machines, and that those 7 counties delivered the whole state...I know I read an article about it...but, of course, after reading the initial story, I didn't hear any more about it...perhaps that is actually why this happened..good for them...
windbreeze

[Independent_Liberal]

5. Diebold being questioned?

This is good. Very good.

:)

[Imagevision]

6. These stories must be nominated and kicked , They're killing us with

Diebold machines...why is this still going on...what the fuck is the sense in voting in the future??!!

"Enron by the Sea" shows strange electoral anomalies - a 4 percent shift - ODDS OF SUCH A DISCREPANCY OCCURRING BY CHANCE ALONE ARE LESS THAN 7/100 OF 1%, STATISTICIANS REVEAL.

San Diego Democratic mayoral candidate, Donna Frye, may have been robbed of her mayoral seat in the July 26 local election as citizens' audit parallel election vote shows shift of 4 percent, Raw Story has learned.

Frye, who served three years as a council woman in San Diego, California, previously ran as a write-in candidate in November 2004, but was deprived of San Diego's top seat due to the city's Registrar of Voters, Sally McPherson, blocking the count of 5,547 ballots on which voters had written Frye's name, yet failed to also fill in bubbles. The disputed ballots would have given Frye a victory by 3,439 votes.

[Nikki Stone 1]

8. Thanks! This is really important

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[chaska]

10. GOD, I want somebody to fry for all this shit these assholes are doing!

[windbreeze]

12. Kick this...

nothing, and no story is as important as this one...right?
wb

[Imagevision]

13. Nominated-kicked - no more republican controlled devices for elections

how much more of this bullshit must happen before something is done, where the hell are our leaders turning a deaf ear to these stories is condoning the practice. Hillary - Obama say nothing!

[snowbear]

14. That San Diego mayoral race has been a nightmare!

Hopefully in November, the surfer lady (I forgot her name :7 ) will have a clear victory! :toast:

I can't believe they tossed all the write-ins for her after the first election just because people didn't mark an 'x' next to her name. Geez.. they clearly wrote her name in..

She's already won once.. :crazy:

[Nikki Stone 1]

36. It seems to be all about keeping Donna Frye (aka the surfer lady) out

Is it any surprise that Diebold is involved!

[Raksha]

15. Kicking...

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[niallmac]

16. So Diebold goes to trial see. And the jury votes on these machines...n/t

[jillan]

17. This is exciting!

Prove the fraud in San Diego, and then maybe, just maybe we will have more "reason" to look at other places, and just maybe more people will listen. First San Diego, and then in all 50 states.

Senator Kerry, start packing.

:evilgrin:

[Imagevision]

18. Paperless Diebold Machines are now in 37 states, what's the point in

voting when the machines cannot be verified, This is utterly rediculous and our Dem senators are saying nothing?

maybe some Dem senators need to be replaced by new Dem leadership that isn't in on the take!

[Nikki Stone 1]

47. There should be more of an outcry about this

37 states....

[ClayZ]

19. Beat Dibold machines into plowshares! n/t

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[EC]

20. kick

Yes! We should be lobbying CAPE to get set-up in every town, in every state...I'd contribute and work at the polls with them...

[Liberty Belle]

21. 11 precincts, requested by the Citizens Audit Parallel Election(CAPE).

Someone below has posted a link to the article on this at rawstory.com.

The 11-precinct recount began today. But so far, I'm told the recount matches the machine count. That doesn't mean the machines were accurate, though--since the Registrar failed to seal the ballots for the past two weeks! Unbelievably, there are no criminal penalties for this sort of thing, nor can the City be sued for election problems under its charter.

Then there's the matter of a 1% hand recount required by law (not the same as the larger recount CAPE requested). The Registrar ignored requests by CAPE to witness the 1% recount, instead conducting it in secret. When activists complained, he reportedly quipped, "What was I supposed to do, send you a gold-plated invitation?" There is also a question of just how "random" that recount was, as he seems to have selected the smallest possible precincts.

It's all very disturbing and depressing for anyone seeking assurances that our votes are not being stolen.

[cascadiance]

29. Key question, how many precincts are being recounted?...

and, MORE IMPORTANTLY, if it isn't all of these 11 precincts that are being recounted, how is the subset being determined of what they are recounting? Is it random or is it "hand selected" by those in charge. If the latter, we could have a repeat of what happened in Ohio!

The first post indicated that two precincts were being recounted. I'm hoping they are meaning that two "so far" have been recounted.

And I truely hope that there is an anomaly found here too. If there isn't, that could actually be damaging and used to rule out other discrepancies with exit polls as not being something to get alarmed over. I hope that those who looked closely at these statistics really were confident that something was wrong. If no wrongdoing is found, it could do more damage. On the other hand, if there is found to be problems, that could mean everything to the rest of the country moving forward in future elections in making sure we get election fraud protection in place. Perhaps even get a recount of Hackett's race in Ohio!

[Liberty Belle]

30. I don't know where the first poster got two precincts,

unless they're referring to the 1% mandatory hand recount. That's different from the recount requested by CAPE.

The parallel election folks (CAPE) are recounting all 11 questionable precincts, and I'm told they may add more.

[cascadiance]

31. Cool...

Any kind of hand picking of these precincts would let them cover their tracks. We CANNOT allow that!

[Liberty Belle]

32. Hand-picking may have occured in the 1% "random" audit,

I've heard. Will try to find out more.

[Nikki Stone 1]

37. "Two precincts" came from the TV news. Maybe they got it wrong.

Or maybe that was all that had been counted so far.

[snot]

22. KICKING THIS V. IMPT. THREAD!

[snot]

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[loudsue]

24. Cummon San Diego!!!! Show 'em how it's done!

O8) Oh God...if you're listening....PLEASE let San Diego be the start of REVEALING THE TRUTH OF the Diebold/Republican/Mafia vote stealing machine!! O8)

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[fighttheevilempire]

25. Keep this thread kicked

there is no greater threat to our democracy and our future. The future of young people like me (22) and the future of people like my 1 week old niece depends on it! We can no longer sit by and watch it happen. God I can't wait for sept. 24th.

[Greyhound]

26. K & R

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[DeepModem Mom]

27. kick

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[Nikki Stone 1]

40. Old Ahnold is having a hard time right now

We'll see what happens.

[Imagevision]

45. AH-NULD is currently at 37% approval ratings

Californians see thru him like celophane, the man can't even read a teleprompter correctly and has limited english verbiage, Arnie go make a thriller, your governorship was a comedy.

[emcguffie]

33. Let us pray.

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[Mr Rabble]

34. kick.

[Bassic]

35. Light at the end of the tunnel?

But how can they count it by hand if there are no paper ballots?

[cascadiance]

42. There actually are paper ballots...

They are "scanned" in. The point of contention is the machines that are scanning them in and how these votes move to the central tabulator machine. As noted from the earlier incident with BBV's Jim March being arrested, the central tabulator was set up in such a way that observors were to far away to be able to see what was going on on the screen, and were denied requests to have this machine moved closer to their scrutiny. Also an issue was that against local election rules, the machine was hooked to the internet.

A hand recount of these paper ballots would hopefully identify if there were shenanigans with how the paper ballots were being scanned and/or how cumulative counts might have been manipulated. San Diego still hasn't gone to the completely paperless touchscreen machines yet. That in my mind is why it is SO important that they can show substantively some problems with the way Diebold is accumulating totals, as other voting systems that might be used now don't have a means to do hand recounts.

If it can be shown that their system is flawed, and perhaps HAS been abused in this case, that would be a cause for general alarm for all Diebold systems (and other evoting systems) nationwide, which would give us the opportunity to force healthy reform on them in the future.

I'm actually less concerned about whether the hand count will generate results where Donna Frye gets a majority or even if we can get the more beatable Steve Francis in instead of Sanders. Twould be nice if either of those could be made to happen from the recount, but Donna can still win the general election, and if it is shown that there was cheating, that would help her that much more in the November election. More importantly though, it would help many other elections moving forward enforce more strict standards on what is allowed for e-voting machine contracts.

If however, no substantive problems/voter fraud can be found with this recount though, it might make it that much harder later to get evoting reform through, as the companies will point to this "false alarm" as an example of why much of the concerns others have aren't valid.

That's why it is SO important that we make sure that this recount isn't abused. Have to DEMAND random sampling and not selective sampling for us to recognize this as a valid recount.

[Bassic]

43. Oh well, go recount then!

Thanks for the info.

[McCamy Taylor]

38. Ooo! Yes!

[Imagevision]

39. Demand from Dem senators to do something now! what's the point in voting?

when results will be counted by repukes and refuse to endorse a paper-trail machine if paper ballots aren't brought back in view of problems since their being installed!

Diebold receipt at ATM's but not nescessary for election to the President especially after Ohio fiasco?!!

[Imagevision]

41. Solutin? paper-trailed machines or get rid of them!!

[Nikki Stone 1]

44. Here's a blurb from a SD news channel website (Channel 10)

http://www.10news.com/politics/4846134/detail.html


Citizen Group Contests Election Results
Group To Request Recount

POSTED: 4:01 pm PDT August 12, 2005

SAN DIEGO -- It looks like last month's San Diego mayor's election is headed for a recount.

Unlike the recount last November, this one is not about filling in the bubble next to the candidates' name.

Instead, it's about the accuracy of the voting machines.

An organization called Citizens Audit asked people in 11 precincts to vote a second time as they left their polling place.

They then compared their results to the official results and believe there is something wrong.

They will make their recount request after the official results are certified, probably within the next two weeks.

[Nikki Stone 1]

46. kick

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[noonriser]

48. Finally!

This story just made my day! Nominated and kicked.

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