How long do you think it will be before Bush or Cheney is indicted?

[FormerRepublican]

With all the high level indictments we've been seeing, despite the BushCo resistance (Abramoff, Taft, etc.), how long do you think it will be before either Bush or Cheney are indicted? Speculate as to which month/day/year you think they might be indicted. How do you think the public and other countries will react?

[MazeRat7]

1. Never. To think otherwise is dilusional...(n/t)

[SnoopDog]

4. Americans, including these evil murderous bastards, ...

are not immune from the world court and Crimes Against Humanity...

At a minimum, decent Americans, and there are millions of us, will seek the indicment...

[wake.up.america]

2. Sir, I hope you are right. However, I do not think either will be....

indicted. Fitzgerald will receive a visit from "associates" of the President's top advisors to "discuss" the matter.

[shraby]

3. They will be unindicted co-conspirators.

They can only be dealt with by impeachment I believe.

[snowbear]

5. Yep.. never... but Americans may be so fed up with the ReTHUG party

soon, that we wind up with some sort of "Not-So-Civil War"

Sad.. but they are trashing our country.

[Tim4319]

6. As soon as the Dem's take back the House and/or the Senate.

[melissinha]

7. My thoughts exactly

well, its wishful thinking.

if they had the balls.

[Peggy Day]

8. not if they continue to steal elections

[AussieDave]

9. It'll never happen - some excuse will always be found

they're all politicians (you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours).

But for a pair as egregious and just plain evil as Shrub and Crashcart, surely a fair and just God would ordain a downfall as swift and devastating as could be arranged.

[Mr Rabble]

13. Unfortunately, I agree with you.

Left and right is just to distract us for the most part.

Corporate fascims is where its at.

[AussieDave]

14. Yes indeed - with the corporations onside

the Busheviks get away with anything - until it becomes obvious their best interests lie elsewhere.

[Palladin]

10. Disposal of Cheney and Bush

Cheney? Could be out within one year. They can knock off Scooter Libby first, then the dam breaks on Cheney. The neocons won't hesitate to sacrifice him.
Bush? He will probably survive his term. He's just a puppet mouthpiece anyway.
How will the public react? Who cares. Cheney is the more unsympathetic and brainier, more sinister, target. Joe Sixpack identifies with average dumb schmuck Dubya.
How will other countries react? With uniform relief that such a criminal nutcase blight is removed from the world stage.
Let the games begin.

[FormerRepublican]

11. I can't speak for the public at large...

...but I will personally celebrate.

It's hard to comprehend how totally and completely unethical and downright criminal these guys are. I keep thinking I've seen all the dirt - then I dig up more. :scared:

[longship]

12. Look at it this way.

Fitz and the grand jury have had the case for over two years.

I can't think of any reason why Fitz would keep the case and not indict anybody at this point unless he was after big game.

Here's my speculation based on hunch. Consider two scenerios.

One. Fitz has the smaller fry for purjury and maybe obstruction of justice. There may be conspiracy charges, but none go higher than the reporters and the West Wing staffers. Choose from the following list: Rove, Hughes, Matalin, Fleishcher, Miller, Novak, and maybe Hadley and/or Libby. That's it.

Two. This thing has big conspiracy and cover-up all over it. Fitz has the whole bunch by the short hairs. He's got Condi as leaker, with Hadley, Libby, and Rove as co-conspirators. But with the exception of Condi, it's the same thing as scenerio one. But now it gets interesting. The grand jury adds a sealed addenda to the indictments naming two more unindicted co-cospirators, Bush and Cheney.

If Fitz has these guys, why would he sit on indictments in scenerio one? I say he wouldn't. He'd hand them down and let the cards lie where they fall.

But scenerio two (or anything like scenerio two) Fitz has to be careful. There's no way to get CuckooBananas, Crashcart, and KindaSleezy if there's no political will to follow through. In this scenerio, Fitz knows that CuckooBananas is toast. He doesn't want him to slip away. So he sits on the indictments, firming up his investigation, until the environment is again ready for a pResident as an unindicted co-conspirator. When Congress is ready to follow through, we'll see the indictments, or when time runs out for the grand jury, whichever comes first.

This is why I feel strongly that we're dealing with something like scenerio two. Two years is a long time to work on a case without indictments. It's gotta be something very big.

[hang a left]

23. With all the leaks at the end of July and beginning of August

I thought it was going to be "any day now".

The last witness that I heard a rumor was being called is Miller's boss at NYT, (his name eludes me before coffee). That being after Rove's secretary testified. It seems like Fitz has wrapped up all the testimony. I don't know what the heck is going on. Unless he is waiting for Miller herself. But, I think the chances are pretty slim that she will talk or cut a deal. Bolton went and paid her a visit for some reason. And I don't think they were talking about the jail food that is bothering her stomach.

I thought for a while that the whole bunch was gonna go. Now, I feel pessimistic and figure this whole investigation will be a cover-up. Every other investigation for the last forever has anyway. Then I consider the comments made by the judge that is presiding over the case regarding the severity of the crimes involved and get hopeful again.

I hope your scenario two is right on the money. My fear is it will turn out more tepid than your scenario one. I will see you here the day of the indictments. We can have some champagne or we can get out the kleenex and cry because it was our last chance.

[number_nine]

15. Never: I'm just too cynical

Not much else to say. Too much big money; too many corporate interests, Bush family dynasty schemes, defense contracts, oil deals, etc.

Look, the Bush family is in bed with the biggest money players in the world, primarily oil and defense. So Bush and Company use the power of government to keep that unimaginable wealth in the same hands. In turn, the wealthy keep their vast resources at hand to keep the Bushies atrocities under wraps.

Seriously, if someone could put together an irrefutable story about the true sinister dealings of the Bush Administration, that person would find themselves the victim of a most heinous death.

[raccoon]

24. Sounds like a Robert Ludlum novel, but I agree. nt

[wli]

16. nothing's going anywhere

Fitz has stalled so long the only conclusion is that he's in on the coverup.

[RONSTOO]

17. godammit, never give up the good fight.

Why do you think Nixon resigned. Everything imploded around him...

the same can happen with Shrub.


DO NOT RESIGN YOURSELVES....NEVER!

[HughBeaumont]

22. Nixon also didn't have the media * has.

While Nixon had Big Oil on his side, he still couldn't get around the press. Back then, the media weren't complete ball-gagged bitches like they are now and reported the truth most of the time. Investigative reporting was the rule, not dismissed as "internet kook-ery" like it is today.

We can only hope the corporations and media abandon this stinking ship once and for all. And that we get back the WH in 2006.

[VIHMH5L50P]

18. I don't know how long it will be, but it just be might be this year

Rumblings from Fitzgerald have been noted. He's working on something big, really big.

Bush's poll ratings are at their lowest point ever, at 40% and they're still dropping.

The truth is coming out.

This is just 9 months after his biggest victory of re-election (I mean ripoff of course).

It's the calm before the storm and I can't stand it.

When the dam finally breaks, nothing's going to stop it.

[terrya]

19. Never. It's not going to happen.

Sorry, but it won't. They'll get off scot-free.

[OneTwentyoNine]

20. LOL,how long is never? Kidding?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

21. Never.

Not gonna happen unless one of his confidants talks. Given what we've seen from this administration so far, I doubt that will ever take place.

[mtnsnake]

25. If they haven't been by now, then most likely they'll never be.

It's very unfortunate that a group of high profile criminals can get away with murder and outright corruption in this day and age.

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