The trouble is conservative Dems have the table & exclude real people

[genius]

The Biden's and Hillary's would like to pretend that they are centrist and side with Bush against the majority of Americans when it comes to our rights and Iraq. American's need an alternative who will give them a seat at the table.

[wli]

1. they're not even conservative, they're openly fascist

There's even a question of how they got a free pass to claim to be Democrats while adhering to principles diametrically opposed to those claimed to motivate the Democratic party and held by its constituency.

[Nikki Stone 1]

2. If the progressive ethic were running the Dems, the Iraq war would never

have been supported by the majority of the Dems.

[genius]

3. The Dems in the Senate went against their grass roots Democrats

We called and told them to vote against the war and they were afraid they would lose REPUBLICAN votes. Barbara Boxer listened. Kucinich led the opposition in the House.

[Dr Fate]

6. it's true- but they came back to us when they needed donations.

n/t

[longship]

4. Against DLC; For Diversity of opinion.

I am utterly opposed to the DLC. They are a divisive wedge in the party precisely at a time when we need unity the most. The DLC is unnecessary and damages the party.

However, the members of the DLC I support, in spite of the fact that I disagree with many of their policies.

I support DLC members this way. I write letters to them. I call their offices. I am an incessant nag. I engage them the way I do all representatives with a big "D" after their name, in a positive framework. I encourage them to support my liberal policies and thank them for support for any particular recent stance that I approved. If there is a vote I disagreed with I cite that as an example, again with as positive a frame as I can muster. It might be something like this:

"I was very disappointed in the Senator's vote on the Banking bill. Is the Senator aware of the blatant give-aways this gives to the large corporate banks? I certainly hope that the Senator takes this into consideration the next time something like this comes up for a vote."

Another tactic is to cite another Democrat's speech on the issue.

"I was particularly moved by Senator Reid's speech from the well of the Senate. I would have preferred that the Senator would have paid attention to the points Senator Reid made instead of listening to the opposition party."

A little bit of sugar helps get your point across without pissing off the staffer, or the Senator, which will get you precisely nowhere.

Remember, some of these people represent districts and states where a liberal could never be elected. It is a sufficient victory that they have a big "D" after their name and not an "R". That doesn't stop me from taking them on, but I don't slap the hand that feeds me.

[Dr Fate]

5. They are 1 year behind the times- centrists do not support the war anymore

These guys are a year behind the times, as always.

[ClassWarrior]

7. Why are you waiting for someone to invite you to the table?

Could it be because it means actually taking action, rather than just sitting on one's fat hinder in front of a computer monitor?

NGU.

[LittleClarkie]

8. And passing unanimous resolution after unanimous resolution

amongst ones friends.

"We have unanimously resolved to get anchovies on our pizza this week. Huzzah."