Is the Bush devastation of America accidental or deliberate?

[FormerRepublican]

After viewing the massive damage to the United States in the past 5 years, I've started to wonder -

Has this damage to our nation been accidental, as in BushCo are merely horribly, horrendously incompetent?

Or was there a plan to destroy America? Perhaps Bush has an arrangement to escape to Saudi Arabia when he's stolen all the cash he can steal? So naturally, he'd want to turn Iraq into a war zone to have a convenient source of untraceable cash to draw from (WHERE did that 9 billion in cold, hard cash disappear to again?)?

Did Cheney plan to move Halliburton overseas when TSHTF, and so happily executed his evil plan to destroy the US economy? Is the undisclosed location where he likes to hide actually in another country?

It's hard to imagine a regime so incompetent that they could do this much damage in so short a time by accident. Someone, somewhere, must have had a plan to destroy the country. What's your opinion?

[NYC]

1. Deliberate.

[FormerRepublican]

2. Whose plan?

Bush or Cheney? Or perhaps some shadowy, behind the scenes corporate whack anti-Christ?

[NYC]

9. Part of a plan that has been in existence for a while.

Not a Bush or Cheney plan, a plan of the "haves".

Defense contractors are in business to make money. The private sector is controlling the public sector.

[MetaTrope]

53. The plan for America's future

[rucky]

56. and they need poor, desperate people for cheap labor...

and to die in their wars.

[porphyrian]

57. Look up the Project for a New American Century (PNAC).

The majority of this administration claims membership.

[dogman]

58. Grover Norquist and PNAC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist
Norquist has been noted for his widely quoted quip: "I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."

[katty]

64. Deliberate-they've sucked America dry, now onto to other

financial ventures...the bush family biz and holdings is international in scope and influence-they've had nearly 100 yrs of nonstop acquisition and illegal entanglements.
they are not loyal to america, they are internationalists.

[applegrove]

3. If they bankrupt the government so that it has debts and cannot

pay for any FDR social programs...then they don't have to move. They can torture any Dem President with talk of capital flight.

If you bankrupt the government you have not bankrupted the corporations.

[Erika]

4. It is 100% deliberate

Bush and his buds have made fortunes off the war. Bush is a corporatist global king and could care less about American citizens.

He has tried to keep us focused on "fear" while our standard of living goes down through high gas costs, housing costs, medical costs, etc. He is totally out of touch with the working class and could care less.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

6. We Have A Winner! n/t

[Skittles]

26. it's "couldn't care less"

with that you are 100% correct; yes INDEED

[OneTwentyoNine]

30. With the BILLIONS being made off of War and gas its a no brainer...

I'll just leave it at that.....

[ChipperbackDemocrat]

33. Its Deliberate and they don't deny it..

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010514/dreyfuss

Here's the 4-1-1 from the architect of the neoconservative economic destability plan himself. :)

[cloud_chaser1]

5. If this involved only B ush....

then the posibility that it was accidental could be based on Dubya's lack of grey matter. But he has a cadre of people who date back to the Reagan Years, including daddy Bush and they are calling the shots.

This disaster is NOT accidental.

[newyawker99]

122. Hi cloud_chaser!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[mirandaod]

7. Deliberate.

Welcome to the New World Order.

[wli]

8. deliberate... think debt slavery to the IMF, austerity programs, etc.

Actually, aren't the neocon economic self-destructive legislation precisely IMF-style "austerity" measures?

[FormerRepublican]

10. Considering the fact that Bush has been destroying the budget...

...I don't think ANYONE could claim that his actions are 'austerity' measures - even the BushBots!

Every time I think about how much of our $$$ Bush has wasted for CRAP, I get angry all over again!!! I truly think he's trying to bankrupt the US Government. For what purpose, I have no idea.

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[wli]

13. "austerity" measures are CAFTA-style deals & killing social programs

And in that sense, he has very much been instituting such.

[NYC]

76. The "purpose" of bankrupting the government.

When a Democrat gets into power, he cannot undo the harm. He cannot reinstate social programs (welfare, social security, education) because there is no money to fund social programs.

Every time a Republican takes over, the debt skyrockets. Look at Reagan, Bush, Sr., and now Bush, Jr. I thought Reagan ran up a lot of debt, but Bush, Sr. was amazing.

The purpose is to keep the country from having society-benefitting programs. They can do it when they are in power, and by leaving large debts behind, they can ensure that a democrat cannot reinstate social programs.

[wli]

88. good point... that's why the Republican Party must be eradicated

RICO vs. the RNC would probably suffice. They even qualify as a terrorist organization.

[mom cat]

93. ? Who makes the profit off the interest to the debt....and off of your

balloon payments and off the payments you will be locked into after the housing market crashes and you can't sell your white elephant that won't be worth squat AND you won't be able to declare bankruptsy....It is a well planned perfect storm. The only thing that will seal the deal is bird flu.

These guys play rough...9-11 should have taught us that.

They are not going to let go of their power without a cataclysmic fight that they will call the Apocalypse.

*Hang on tight
*get out of debt
*limit population growth in your own family
*be ready for vicious personal attacts that will go after your job, your finances,your freedom

Update for spelling

[alfredo]

117. Involuntary servitude. Debt is the shackles.

Yes, get out of debt, join or construct an underground economy. Sharpen your bargaining skills, learn wild food gathering, and other survival skills. If you can get off the power grid, do it.

[MADem]

112. Why, to enrich himself and his cronies, of course

He believes in the Golden Rule: Them that's got the gold, makes the rules...

[punpirate]

11. Deliberate...

... some of what Bush advocated he genuinely believed would help, but, as with most things, he was wrong.

Domestically, he really believes that the trickle-down, supply-side bullshit was valid, even though the Reagan years should have put that notion forever to rest.

The foreign policy side is mostly due to his intransigence, his determination to bull ahead on something that he thought was politically advantageous to him and to Republicans.

Bush is horribly mistaken on all counts. Some, he really believes in, even when proven wrong, and in others, he doesn't care if the evidence contradicts him. He's sure he's right.

He's an amazingly simple-minded and single-minded man who doesn't listen to people who disagree with him. That's why he's surrounded himself with "yes" people and listens only to them. As public opinion turns on him, he'll become more belligerant and more single-minded, and that will further cause a drop in his approval ratings.

Bush is basically a spoiled kid who's always gotten his way, and he'll continue to govern as if that situation is unchanged. He'll go on believing that he's winning when he's actually losing the support of the people. His capacity for self-deceit far exceeds his intelligence, and that's why he is increasingly seen as stupid, even though he's not particularly dimwitted.

[bonzotex]

40. you are right on....

You just clearly stated all anyone need to know about how Bush thinks. We also need to remember his Republican and neocon enablers are really running the nuts an bolts operation.

These guys aren't all as impervious to facts as Bush. They actually believe that the America they are creating is what a "good" Nation should look like. These guys have to be exposed, refuted and defeated in detail.

Bush will be gone someday. We all hope sooner rather than later. To truly save out country we have to sweep out the neocons and supply-side kool-aid drinkers with him. The christofascist right wingers will collapse under their own weight and infighting as soon as they don't have an administration in power that will pander to them for votes.

We can deliberately take our Nation back rather than just waiting for it to sorta, maybe, happen on it's own.

[shance]

86. I don't believe its Bush we should be as concerned with, he seems to be a

distraction more than anything.

It seems the players in the wings are the ones who are instigating all the assaults on America as we know it.

[punpirate]

90. But, who appointed those players...

... in the wings? Bush and Cheney (probably mostly Cheney). Cut off the head and the arms and legs stop working.

Cheers.

[mom cat]

94. He is not horribly mistaken..he knows quite well what benefits his ilk

and will say or do anything to increase their power over YOU!

[ThoughtCriminal]

12. If you set out to devastate it deliberately

What could you possibly do that would be more effective?

If at was accidental, there might, just by random chance be some actions that did not harm our future.

[Wizard777]

14. Deliberate. He's working for the "New World Order." Not the USA.

[FormerRepublican]

15. To be honest...

...I have often wondered if he's the anti-Christ. But I refer to him as der Fuehrer. It seems to fit so snugly, if you know what I mean.

[Wizard777]

20. As I said in another thread. I'm not calling it yet.

I'll say he's definitely the Anti Constitution. He's attacking it here in American and the on the world level as The UN Charter. The UN is the instrument by which America will spread Democracy to the world. It was working so nicely too. Then came Bush.

[PatriotMom]

21. I agree with that completely

He is their puppet, no brain and does as they say. Very deliberate by the ones calling the shots.

[natrat]

35. it's easier saying bush is evil

but really this whole right wing phenom with its 100 million followers is so sadly evil that it's hard to get a grip on it without despairing

[mom cat]

96. Welcome to DU PatriotMom! We mothers have got to stick together!

:hi:

[Karenina]

27. November 23, 1963

[shance]

82. Yes. America became the casualty that day.

Dwight Eisenhower in his farewell address tried to warn Americans of the military industrial complex, and even Jim Garrison, as did others tried to shed the light on the truth and many have tried to awaken the consciousness of Americans and too often they were ruthlessly attacked as conspiracy nuts.

It's up to Americans to wake up now.

One only hopes we can.

[mom cat]

97. Great pic! Can I borrow it? .........Love love, crave crave!

:yourock:

[Karenina]

98. It's an oldie but goodie

from a longtime DUer, MoPaul. You can find him over in GD.

[mom cat]

95. Right! The US is a threat to the New World Order and must be brought to

it's knees. The only thing left will be the military which can then be "privatised" after WE have all been bankrupted to pay for it. Then the corporate elite will have the WMD's.

[AgadorSparticus]

16. methodical and deliberate. to accomplish the degree of devastation

that this administration has done requires years and years of legwork. they are now reaping their sinister rewards. no way could they put up a baffoon like bush and get away with such outright lies, treason, theft, etc. 10 years ago.

[cliss]

17. A side issue.

When Bush and his Cronies slithered up the steps to the White House, they had one thing in mind: secure the world's assets for themselves and their corporate cronies.

OIL in particular was their primary goal.

The fact that the US economy has been destroyed was incidental. Sort of like a man who wants to cut down a huge tree in the national forest. He's going to poach it and sell it for lots of bucks.

In the meantime, he runs over a lot of vegetation with his jeep and destroys a lot of stuff as he's trying to get at the tree.

He looks around, realizes he's trashed the place. Shrugs his shoulders, and gets back to cutting the tree.

He really doesn't care one way or the other. He didn't deliberately set out to do it. If you held a gun to his head, he would angrily snap and say, "Well what the hell could I do? All that stuff was in the way."

That's our Bush.

[mojavekid]

18. Deliberate,

though I don't think they (Cheney, the civilians in the Pentagon, Corporate heads, and assorted sleaze in the Congress and Senate) imagined Iraq would be the huge fucking mess that it is, they did not go there to "Liberate" anything but it's Oil

Social programs, they have meant all along to destory these but the technique they will use is starvation. Medicare is an excellent example, why practically NO discussion on the solvency of this program? They have everyone watching the other hand, holding Social Security.

Peak Oil, they are aware of it, they understand the potential civil unrest that will accompany it, and they plan to CONTROL it (us)

Here we go!

[Uncle Joe]

60. I believe they did think that Iraq would be a huge mess.

That is why they would not listen to their own generals in determining the size of the force that it would take to succeed with the invasion and provide security. This is why Bush safe and secure in the White House would so easily throw red meat out there for the insurgents to "bring it on". He wanted a major war to keep his poll ratings up thinking the American People would blindly stand behind their "President" during a time of war and this would also take the focus off of his either corruption/incompetency during 9/11. I also believe he thinks his daddy won the war in Kuwait too soon and lost his reelection as a result.

[fighttheevilempire]

19. Very deliberate.

The billionaires have despised the middle class from their very inception, and their goal is to destroy it. That way they own everything, and we become feifs and vassals again.

[suziedemocrat]

59. in 2000 a CEO complained on CNBC about the low unemployment rate.

I've realized since then that life is much easier for the rich if the middle-class is closer to lower-class - poor, desperate, and without choices. That CEO was saying the ultra-low unemployment rate was hurting business and had to be corrected. He said they were at the mercy of workers who could make unreasonable demands and easily find other jobs if their demands were not met. He pulled back the curtain for me.

[AtomicKitten]

22. collateral damage

I don't think they give it any thought. Everything they do is for themselves, their rich donors, and their egos.

[LittleClarkie]

23. More incidental I would wager

In other words, of little concern. They're not giving that much thought to what they're doing to the country as they reach for what they want.

[jbnow]

80. Yes, collateral damage

Destroying America and Americans isn't the goal, it just doesn't matter in their scheme of things. They want what they want and go for it.

However the lies about it are intentional. They know enough to make the words to promote ot explain away their destructive policies SOUND like they are good and helpful for America.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

24. No accident...

...here's their model.

http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/germany-1933.htm

[mom cat]

99. Welcome to DU and thanks for the link...I have put it on top of my

"must read" list. I look forward to your future contributions!
:hi:

[yojon]

108. Thanks for posting that

might actually be the same organization which is just waking up now...

[Raksha]

25. I think it's deliberate. It's like a hostile takeover...

...of the entire country.

[newswolf56]

28. Absolutely deliberate. What far too many people don't realize...

is that the ONLY reason capitalism developed any semblance of a humanitarian face was the terror inflicted on the oligarchy by the Russian Revolution of 1917. The capitalist response was to allow the New Deal (and its European equivalent the welfare state) and then merely bide its time. As soon as the Soviet Union collapsed there was no longer any threat to humanize the oligarchy, and in the post-Soviet, post-New Deal economy, capitalism merely reasserted its intrinsic savagery.

What is happening now is that the oligarchy is concentrating its wealth and power, all the while reducing the working class to abject servitude and the poor to total nonpersonhood. Everything that has happened -- skyrocketing fuel prices, downsizing, outsourcing, the destruction of the social safety net, the manipulation of 9/11 into a cause for suspension of Constitutional guarantees -- serves the oligarchy's twin goals of concentrating wealth and re-enslaving workers, with fundamentalist religion (whether Christian or Islamic) as the opiate to keep us drugged and tyrannized.

The resultant new World Order will be more horrible than we can imagine: homelessness and starvation on a scale humanity has never seen, with the plutocrats gleefully fattening themselves and their bank accounts on the profits of misery and death.

To assume in this context that Bush is stupid is to make the classic error of underestimating one's opponent. Bush is in fact brilliant -- the most malevolently cunning, tyrannically intentioned president in American history. His "blunders" -- the escape of bin Laden, the reduction of Iraq to Islamic theocracy -- are not blunders at all, but rather expressions of policy. He was elected specifically to destroy the American middle class, take back its wealth for the oligarchy, and put in place the mechanisms of oppression by which the oligarchy will be able to suppress the economic unrest that is forthcoming.

Hence the new relevance of Marx: his theory of class struggle is the only valid explanation of what is occurring, the only source of an analysis by which we can understand how profoundly we are being victimized and why our victimization is being so methodically accomplished.

[natrat]

37. that is concise, at least it's nice seeing where we are coming from

[many a good man]

68. I love it when a plan comes together!

Sometimes The Truth lies hidden behind a dark doorway down a maze of hall ways. Sometimes it jumps out at you and slaps you in the face.

[mom cat]

100. Well stated and so true!

[Surya Gayatri]

101. The machinations yes, the man, no...

'Bush is in fact brilliant--the most malevolently cunning, tyrannically intentioned president in American history.'
If you changed 'president' to 'presidency'--I might tend to agree. I don't believe we can credit this booze and coke addled clown with brilliance; but the collective presidential cabal around him? No doubt!:scared:

[brindis_desala]

111. Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!

Although I disagree that nationalism was passe before Reagan. FDR
(or some might say his wife) believed in the American ideal. The malefactors of great wealth having failed to pull off their coup in the 30's have been biding their time and slowing gaining strength ever since. In 2000 thanks to a docile public they succeeded.

[emulatorloo]

29. Kicking and Nominating EOM

[The2ndWheel]

31. Power wants power back

They haven't invested billions since the 60's to just play the game of democracy. It didn't start with Bush, and it won't end in 2020 when Bush leaves office.

It's an entire political/corporate/religious movement. They want to take us back to the 1950's, the late 1800's, before the civil war, before anything existed that could take any power from power.

This movement is in it for the win(however long it takes). Again, it's not ending with Bush. America, post Cold War, is not the "end of history", as Francis Fukuyama would tell you. It's simply a continuation of the same power game that we've seen since humans started to structure society and civilization. You can give that structure any "ism" you want, it's all about power.

[Surya Gayatri]

102. Wholly agree, naked, grasping power

N/T
edit: spelling

[atommom]

32. Read this, if you haven't already.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

[Skidmore]

34. Before the 2000 election, during the campaign, I used to

frequent a forum which was open to both liberals and conservatives. A Freeper-type who frequently ranted hysterically one day in the face of much flack regarding some of his more hatefully hyperbolic crap crowed, "You wait. We're going to take the country back 60 years."

I've never doubted since that post that this wasn't premeditated.

[LandOLincoln]

36. Deliberate.

They're deliberately destroying the country and its armed forces, in favor of a world to be ruled in the near future by multinational corporations and the highly-paid mercenaries who work for them.

[Surya Gayatri]

103. Yes, private armies

answerable only to them. The military is being eviserated to that end.

[mwb970]

38. They seek to destroy the government and the middle class.

"America" is collateral damage.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

39. Too many of his closest supporters making huge profits, a plan to fleece

[kentuck]

41. Interesting question?

It's hard to imagine he could get so many people to go along? And he could not do it himself. I think he has been able to do the damage he has done because he has been able to divide the nation on just about every issue - young against old, black vs white, poor vs rich, conservatives vs liberals, etc. The division has created allies for him that he would not normally gather to his side. By his or Rove's adept skill of politicizing everything and requiring people to either be "for him" or "against him", he and Cheney have been able to do some disastrous things to our country.

[newswolf56]

44. The oligarchy is NOT divided. But the division imposed on the rest...

of us -- young versus old, black versus white, various other divisions within the working class (especially the elite white-collar bourgeoisie versus blue-collar folk, elderly and poor) -- these divisions are deliberately agitated and methodically maintained. Bush's "Social Security reform" proposal is a classic example: turning young against old. And the technique is nothing new: the oligarchy perfected it in the 1950s, dividing and eventually destroying the Leftist coalition that enacted the New Deal.

The first artificially induced division was between socialists and liberals (the latter fervent in their support of capitalism and thus differing from today's conservatives only in minor details); the method was the McCarthy-era witch-hunt, and the outcome was the marginalization not just of Marxism but of socialism in all forms -- replacement of the class-struggle analysis by the ludicrous dogma that capitalism is the only economic system that encourages human excellence -- for examples of which "excellence" see Love Canal, West Virginia strip mines, Bhopal, Exxon Valdez, etc. ad nauseum, not to mention the human ruin inflicted by downsizing, outsourcing and the destruction of the social safety net.

The second artificially induced division -- and the division that truly sounded the death-knell of the American Left -- was the bitter, viciously fought schism between the draft-exempt collegiate bourgeois elite and all the rest of us who had no such exemptions: the core conflict of the Vietnam War. This eventually came down to violently hateful clashes between "hard-hats" and "long-hairs" and resulted in a huge despairing flight of many blue-collar folk into the arms of the Republicans. The wounds inflicted by this division linger yet, festering for example in the bitter conflicts between environmentalists and loggers -- conflicts that could easily be healed were both sides to join together in a demand for selective logging (which preserves both jobs AND the environment).

But instead of fighting the real enemy -- capitalism and the oligarchy it makes ever more wealthy and powerful -- we fight each other.

In every instance, the oligarchy's technique is to make the economic pie smaller and thereby intensify everyone's fear of getting too little -- or none at all. And the only antidote is taboo: the forbidden analysis of class struggle. But using that and our Constitution as starting points, who knows where we might go?

[Nikki Stone 1]

55. I think you are right on the money

Both posts

[BlueJac]

42. GW Bush's history

What Shrub has done to the US is what he has done to every company he has ever been involved in, ruin it. He is a born again loser that must be stopped from further damaging this country.

[FormerRepublican]

43. Another thing I thought about last night is that people are making...

...a whole lot of money on shorts in the stock market. So, if they now want stocks to go down (rather than up) to make money, then the strategy would be to destory everything so the market goes down.

I was going to say 'assuming these guys are totally unethical and think only of themselves' - but I think we already know that's true.

[Don1]

45. I posted something like this before.

I asked if Bush was a commie.

Under his regime more and more countries have turned to socialism than under any other US regime. Bush has basically scared them into it, because they see what we go through.

Even if he is not a commie, it is a good campaign to start to scare the crazy right-wingers.

How about a "Communists for Cheney in 2008" website?

[jokerman93]

46. Destroying America wasn't the plan

It was just an unfortunate side effect of the plan. Something difficult to previsualize like...say...a lightening bolt hitting a cow somewhere. Really unfortunate. Sorry about the mess. But the stock holders are happy.

[AntiCoup2K4]

47. History repeats itself

Prescott Bush and his Wall Street banker buddies begain funding Hitler in the mid 1920's. There was definitely a connection between all this transfer of money to foreign country and the economic disaster of 1929.

Just as Neil Bush's savings & loan theft contributed to the recession in Poppy Bush's administration.

These motherfuckers drain the treasury every chance they get. How the Hell voters can be so ignorant of this fact and vote for them again and again is the real question. No Bush should ever be allowed to run for any public office ever again.

[Hubert Flottz]

71. "drain the treasury every chance they get"

It goes at least as far back as the Grant administration. Recessions and depressions are the GOP's trademark.

[stevedeshazer]

48. It is clearly deliberate.

They've worked hard at it, too hard for it to be accidental. Nobody is that incompetent.

[TrogL]

49. Deliberate - Dubya is a sock puppet for the religious right

They want the world destroyed so Jaysus will come.

[Done]

50. It's not that they want to hurt US, they want to help themsleves

[AllyCat]

51. Bush doesn't know how to run anything in the black so this might

just be habit on his part.

But the rest of his circus knows EXACTLY what they are doing and meant to do this.

They should all rot in hell. Or Gitmo.

[Dem Agog]

52. Deliberate...

I believe it's all deliberate. I believe 9/11 was a total MIHOP too, though.

[Initech]

54. Wow, the first post makes Bush sound like a James Bond villian.

Think about it - starting a war, stealing lots of cash, and planning a great escape.

Now he just needs to reveal his evil plan before it's the end of the line.

[MadisonProgressive]

61. To quote our great Vice pResident.... GO FUCK YOURSELF!

[leftofthedial]

62. deliberate

[Nothing Without Hope]

63. Whatever happens, you know Bush will want to be comfortable and lazy.

He doesn't speak any other languages but mangled English and likes to feel adored and adulated. I can't see those things happening in another country, but maybe he can. He is clearly not in his right mind and is also deteriorating with what looks like presenile dementia;
http://www.adbuzz.com/bushbuzz.htm

Last I heard, he was comparing himself with George Washington as a father of Democracy in the Middle East. He doesn't seem to really understand why he is despised here.

The destruction is certainly deliberate, but I'd say it's greed plus destroying any opposition to the neocons' plans of world domination. I don't think the blivet** himself understands. Remember O'Neill's report of how Cheney and the others were talkling early on about more tax breaks for the wealthy and little George replied "I thought we already did that." He's just coasting along, I think. It's Cheney and the others who are the deliberate ones.

[pauldp]

65. Keep the people dumb and poor so they'll fight in corporate wars. nt

[Al-CIAda]

66. Martial Law: 9/11 Rise of the Police State

Alex Jones' new documentary. Martial Law: 9/11 Rise of the Police State exposes the high-tech control grid that is being set up across America Out of the ashes of the September 11th tragedy, a dark empire of war and tyranny has risen. The Constitution has been shredded and America is now a Police State. This film exposes not just who was behind the 9-11 attacks, but the roots and history of its orchestrators. The entire documentary is 2 hours and 35 minutes in duration but has been spit into 3 parts.

Part-I
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/alex_jones_-_martial_law_911__1_of_3_.wmv
Part-II
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/alex_jones_-_martial_law_911__2_of_3_.wmv
Part-III
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/martial_law_p03_bb.wmv

[fooj]

67. Deliberate.

Rat bastards.

Peace.

[glitch]

69. Very deliberate. It's called LOOTING and this lot does it every chance

they get.
Keep in mind they wanted to fight on the Nazi side in WWII and have been very ugly and bitter ever since.
The fact that the looting hurts the USA is just gravy to them.

[FormerRepublican]

70. The quantities of $$$ that has been looted is what boggles the mind.

It makes me wonder where they've hidden it all away. Something about being rich - once you reach a certain point, making more money doesn't have much effect. WHY do they need such MASSIVE quantities of cold, hard $$$?

[glitch]

72. All the money in the world won't buy them the love their parents couldn't

give them as children.

[shance]

83. Yes. Armies can be built with such money. And armies have been built

as we have seen.

[satya]

73. Deliberate. And now the Carlyle group is "investing" in China,Japan,Korea

http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/fund/l4news-2438.html

August 18, 2005
The Carlyle Group Raises $410 Million for First Asia Real Estate Fund; Fund Will Invest in China, Japan and Korea; Globally, Carlyle Now Has $4 Billion in Seven Real Estate Funds

July 05, 2005
The Carlyle Group Establishes Third Office in China; Beijing Office Will Foster Growth Capital, Buyout and Real Estate Activity in China through Carlyle’s $1 Billion in Asian Investment Assets

April 04, 2005
The Carlyle Group Enters into Sale and Leaseback Agreement with Japan’s Largest Information Storage Service Company

March 09, 2005
The Carlyle Group to Expand Activities in Pan-Asian Region; New Offices in Beijing, Mumbai and Sydney Show Promise of Region and Will Expand Ability to Invest $1.6 Billion in Assets

February 14, 2005
Carlyle Issues Summary of 2004 Investment Activity: $5.3 Billion Returned to Investors; $2.7 Billion Invested; $7.8 Billion Raised

October 15, 2004
The Carlyle Group Acquires Omiya Center Building; The First Real Estate Investment in Japan

June 03, 2004
The Carlyle Group to Invest in Japanese Real Estate; New Team Joins Established Asia Real Estate Operation

April 20, 2004
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[BrklynLiberal]

74. Not an iota of doubt in my mind....DELIBERATE. I believe the planning

started right after Goldwater lost...
and my tinfoil hat also includes 9/11 was MIHOP

[demigoddess]

75. deliberate

they want to keep the opposition poor.

[Leeny]

77. Not incompetent

They're not incompetent; they're self-serving, evil-hearted sonsabitches. Keep the gap between the rich and the poor - or the rich and, well, everybody else - growing. Watch that gap grow and grow. Make sure that the masses are uneducated and uninformed. Control the media. Control the market. Control the government. The 1% at the top will take care of themselves and leave the rest of us out there in the cold.

(Am I just totally out there?) I am still an optimist, I have two young kids so I have to be or else I'd lose my mind.

But I really think that they're robbing the bank and they don't care what happens to the country or to the rest of us.

We need to annihilate, and soon. Wake people up. Get active.

[gristy]

78. Deliberate

I have believed this for some time. They know they are destoying our country. That is one of their goals. Why they want to destroy it I do not yet understand.

[kalibex]

79. Deliberate. n/t

[caligirl]

81. He is a degenerate brat, an enormous ego with an endless

sense of entitlement. Unless you run in his circles it is unlikely you have met this kind of mental case. Most of us have a sense of proportion to our id/ego and reasonable boundaries. He is not one of us.



Deliberate.

[Mr Rabble]

84. I cant imagine it to be just incompetence.

Dont get me wrong, I think these clowns are plenty incompetent.

I just cant imagine an absolutely perfect storm of random, horrible mistakes that would be required to replicate what these fools have accomplished.

[shance]

85. "Incompetence" is the greatest of disguises and decoys.

Don't take them seriously and we are too busy laughing at them, like they did Hitler by the way, so they can merrily continue with business as usual, destroying everything while we are smugly and stupidly laughing at them, cant they?

[WhiteTara]

87. Absolutely deliberate. They were so ready when

they hit the ground running after having stolen the election. I think they were surprised that it took them over a month to finish the coup. They were amazing in the speed with which they began stripping money and rights. Like a multi headed hydra that was impossible to kill. Oh, yes, this is deliberate and I think they have even more hideous plans in store for us after they have really on our knees.

[Porcupine]

89. They're Enroning the whole country. Same people

Same tactics, same financial result.

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

91. The strip-mining of the world...

... is the program du jour of a large segment of the uber right...

But the real agenda has been, and remains, the fulfilment of the single goal of the Armageddonites (Rove et al, IMO) pulling the strings of that damnable marionette "How'dHe ScrewedMe"...

What is that single goal? To insure, by any means necessary, the Holy War and subsequent End Times, as they see depicted in the Biblical Book of Revelations.

The destruction of America, the American people, the American Promise and the American Dream is, to both groups, merely collateral damage.

[grytpype]

92. Deliberate.... it's called a "bustout."

It's a Mafia term... where the mob takes control of a legit business and uses up all its assets and credit, and then burns the place down at the end.

[flpoljunkie]

104. Both deliberate and incompetent. Dismantling SS next big GOP goal, so

we must get ready for the assault when Congress comes back in session, which will be led by the hateful, sniveling and rotten Ways and Means Chairman of the House, Bill Thomas, R-CA, wrapped in a package to overhaul pension benefits.

[ChiciB1]

105. The ALWAYS Had A Plan,,, From Way Back In 1996

however, I'm not EXACTLY sure they felt it would go so wrong. But I do feel they had their POCKETBOOKS in mind when they dreamed this "little dream" that's turned into a NIGHTMARE!!

I've almost, almost come to the conclusion that MAYBE the Democrats should just sit back and let Rome Burn!! There are too many fires being ignited these days and they don't have enough water carriers to put them out. But the Democrats SHOULD be taking advantage and start getting a foothold very very soon! The time is NOW! Just my personal opinion as I ready myself for the PROTEST IN D.C.!!!

[opihimoimoi]

106. The Rapture NutCases??? The Death Wish Group?? The IGNORANT

BUNCH?? The GREEDY ASSHOLES who know NOT WHAT THEY DO....??

A combo?

[yojon]

107. Here is a chilling possibility

Serpent's Walk is a neonazi 'novel' that assumes that the German nazis went underground after WW2. There is lots of money they looted which is unaccounted for and could support them easily. The plan is to buy into the opinion forming media and to sabotage the economy until they can eventually take over.

Given the Bushs' connections with the nazis over the years, the idea that the Bush crime family are the point agents not implausable. Once the economy is totally trashed, mooks will be looking for someone on a white horse to save them.

_____________________________________________________________



Serpent's Walk
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Serpent's Walk is a novel published in 1991 by Randolph D Calverhall, which is a pseudonym. The real author is said to be a "respectable science-fiction author who is a member of the National Alliance".

Due to limited distribution channels, Serpent's Walk was only available through National Vanguard Books as advertised in the back of both Hunter and The Turner Diaries. The novel is now available through mainstream sources (ISBN 0-937944-05-X) and online.


Plot

The good guys win sometimes.

Not always, of course. They lost big in the Second World War That war was a victory for communists, democrats, and Jews, but everyone else lost, including millions of GIs who were told that they were killing Germans and Japanese in order to make the world a decent place for their children to grow up--only to see things in America go from bad to much, much worse in the decades after the war.

Even when the bad guys win, they sometimes grow careless and later become losers. Look what happened to the communists of eastern Europe in the 1990s. Could the same thing happen to their erstwhile WWII allies in America?

Serpent's Walk explores that possibility. It assumes that Hitler's warrior elite--the SS--didn't give up their struggle for a White world when they lost the Second World War. Instead their survivors went underground and adopted some of the tactics of their enemies: they began building their economic muscle and buying into the opinion-forming media. A century after the war they are ready to challenge the democrats and Jews for the hearts and minds of White Americans, who have begun to have their fill of government-enforced multi-culturalism and "equality." the resulting conflict comes close to destroying the world, and it provides some exciting reading

[barb162]

109. t's both. But most is deliberate, eg , wrecking the national forests.

so that timber interests give the GOP more money. Getting rid of the EPA strict rules on clean water, air, etc., so the chemical companies can pollute more and give more to the GOP.

[area51]

110. Deliberate. (n/t)

[Disturbed]

114. Quite deliberate!

Liberal Accomplishments


Social Security;

Medicare-Medicaid;

PeaceCorps;

unemployment insurance;

welfare (for the poor andcorporate);

civil rights;

student grant and loan programs;

safety laws (OSHA);

environmental laws;

prevailing wagelaws;

right to collective bargaining (which brought about

paid medical insurance, paid vacations, pensions, etc.);

workers' compensation;

Marshall Plan;

flood-disasterinsurance;

School Lunch Program;

women's rights.

Fair Labor Standards Act, which
established a minimum wage, instituted child labor laws,
and set up time-and-a-half pay for over a 40-hour week.

FHA-HUD with its public housing, urban
renewal and 44 million residential homes (before WWII
almost 70 percent of our nation were renters; by the 1970s
this had been reversed).

farm-conservation
subsidies -- USDA programs,

Farmers Home Administration (the
bankers didn't want to make rural loans),

small flood-control lakes (more than 3,000 in Oklahoma alone),
rural water districts, rural electricity (REA).

The GI Bill was passed, which the Republicans at the
time bitterly opposed.

FDIC and FSLIC, insuring their deposits, and
saved Wall Street with the establishment of the Securities
Exchange Commission.

*The RW is seeking to destroy the Middle Class and all advancements of Liberals. GW Bush is a sock puppet that was chosen to lead the RW in it's goals. Multi-Nationalism is the plan. It is not wrong to label the RW as Fascists yet that word conjurs up images of the Holocaust, so a more apt description is Corporatists.

[earth mom]

113. Deliberate. Deliberate. Deliberate. eom

[kodi]

115. A paid agent of an enemy power couldn't fuck up America worse

I consider George W. Bush a traitor and enemy of the United States of America.

[blondeatlast]

116. A little familiarity with PNAC, the Heritage Foundation, and reading

David Brock's "The Right Wing Noise Machine" leads me to one inescapable conclusion--the trashing of this once great nation was calculated and deliberate.

[Imagevision]

118. Face it, we have a shyster for a President-America at it's worst

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[NVMojo]

119. It's the neocon plan....

[Hekate]

120. Deliberate. Ask: Who does it serve? then research sites for these

PNAC -- Project for a New American Century
Neo-Conservative -- neoconservative
Christian Reconstructionists
Dominionists

Hang on to your lunch. It's a rough ride.

Then start inputting names of members of this administration plus those terms; ditto Republican members of Congress.

Read the headlines; read the inside stories; ask yourself: Who does it serve?

The Bush cabal is deliberately destroying my country.

Hekate

#Why won't the Chickenhawk cross the road?#

[TNMOM]

121. Deliberate short-sightedness, deliberate blind eye to future

consequences.

So, in answer to your question, I think it's both a willing stubborness to acknowledge future consequences (you can call it ignorance, but I don't think it's innocent ignorance) to deliberately satisfy the immediate, short-sighted goals of religious and corporate interests.

Yes, I do believe Republicans are evil, deliberate bastards out to protect their friends at the expense of the future good of America.