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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:47 PM
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Two election workers indicted in presidential recount
Two Cuyahoga County Board of Elections workers were indicted Tuesday on charges of misconduct, including unlawfully obtaining possession of ballots during the 2004 presidential election recount.

Rosie Grier and Kathleen Dreamer were indicted on six counts each, according to the Cuyahoga County prosecutor's office. The charges carry a maximum prison sentence of 18 months.

"I think the grand jury did what was supported by the evidence: That there was some problems in the way the 2004 presidential recount was conducted," Baxter told the Sandusky Register. Grier and Dreamer were indicted on charges of failure to perform duties imposed upon them by law; misconduct of board of election employees; knowingly disobeying elections law; unlawfully obtaining possession of ballots/ballot boxes or pollbooks; and unlawfully opening or permitting the opening of a sealed package containing ballots.
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/12518083.htm

Is this not the sweetest thing you've heard all day?
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:48 PM
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1. It's about time! Thanks. I'll forward this to our local grand jury,
since our election officials have been doing some of the same stuff.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:03 PM
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13. What state?
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:09 PM
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14. CA (San Diego).
Actually I forwarded this to a friend who has already sent some materials to our Grand Jury, the DA, and the AG regarding illegal election activities by officials here.
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Bluesplayer Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:14 AM
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15. Ohio (Cleveland area)
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 06:07 AM
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17. Me Too (Westside)
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 06:25 AM
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19. I have an idea,forward it to John Kerry.....
While Teresa has the brains to comprehend that this kind of dirty trick/ballot rigging can ACTUALLY go on in our great country,John likes to bury his head in the sand and pretend it couldn't possibly take place in the US.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 10:38 AM
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23. I think John may be simply more circumspect in what he says
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 10:38 AM by karynnj
In his position, he needs to have proof before saying something DID happen. So he can say there was voter suppression through long lines and messing with voter registration and he can say they need a paper trail TO ALLOW FOR AUDITS and allow the implication to be what it is. I assume Kerry knows more about the misdeeds of this group of people than anyone posting here - he investigated it - risking his career for both Contra/drugs and BCCI.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:49 PM
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2. good news indeed
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:49 PM
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3. Great news!
A little glimmer through the bullshit!

Thanks, Mike. :)

TC

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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:50 PM
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4. Good.
:woohoo::woohoo:
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:51 PM
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5. was their party affiliation provided ??
also, is there any indication on how many ballots their crimes could potentially have affected?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:59 PM
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9. this county went for Kerry -- what is up with Bush Counties?
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 09:00 PM by emulatorloo
are they being investigated as well?

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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 10:54 AM
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25. yeah, I'd love to hear more about why Warren county closed down
because of the "terrorist threat" they never received. Funny how that story just faded away. ha ha ha.... funny!!!!!
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:14 PM
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12. Dreamer's a Republican
http://www.cuyahogacountygop.com/central_committee.asp

CLEVELAND 18 N Kathleen L. Dreamer

I can't find any irregularities noted for this precinct. Yet.
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:55 AM
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16. Almost every county in Ohio pulled the same sort of crap...
so the number of ballots potentially affected is all the ballots in Ohio. http://www.votecobb.org/recount/ohio_reports/

As far as party affiliation, you have to be careful in Ohio. There are county BOE directors who say they are Democrats but you wouldn't be able to guess it from their actions. They are either Republican plants or for some other reason (bribery, extortion, ?) look to Blackwell and the Republican party for their marching orders.

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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 06:14 AM
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18. They have paid positions and if they pull the same sort of....
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 06:14 AM by mikelewis
shit they pull in other agencies (i.e. intimidation, bribery, deceit) they can get at least one or two to do their dirty work. Keeping a job in Ohio isn't easy anymore and that's a hell of a lot of leverage over someone. It the same way they award crooked contracts like the Tom Noe bullshit without having people blow the whistle.
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:52 PM
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6. thank goodness something is finally happening!
:party:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:53 PM
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7. the titanic has hit the iceberg .....
taft pleads guilty .....
now this ........

September is going to be fun!

very soon people are going to be eating a lot of crow.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:54 PM
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8. Rosie Grier!!!
say it ain't so!
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:03 PM
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10. Rosie Grier - what a life!
The man tackled Sirhan Sirhan after he (SS, not RG) shot Bobby Kennedy, and later starred with Ray Milland in "The Thing With Two Heads." And I haven't gone into his triumphs on the gridiron. Now this?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 08:14 AM
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20. I tried not to laugh about that, but I couldn't help myself. nt
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:17 PM
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11. About damned time.
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rrrevolution Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 08:28 AM
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21. Offer them a Plea Deal and Let's Get To the Top Corruptors
Does it not seem eerie that these local officials are being offered up as just "bad apples" and the top dogs are insulated from being held liable. Just like the Military's attempt to coverup the Abu Graib torture scandal -- charge a few soldiers, declare them just a few bad apples, and exonerate everyone else.

IF One of them would accept a plea offer and turn state's evidence we might get the truth out and the planners of this corruption exposed. That would be more important than making sure these two serve a couple of months in jail or maybe only fined.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 10:23 AM
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22. AT LAST -- NOMINATED
Hope it's just the beginning of a big ass ole TREND.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:43 PM
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31. I have pretty good info that it IS.
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 05:43 PM by blm
There have been quiet people who never stopped gathering info and are working on the best way they can to EFFECT the changes needed and call out the wrongdoers.

Let's put it this way - Teresa's been busy.
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 10:50 AM
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24. thank you for posting this! I needed to hear some good news!
But one question: since the MSM still claims there was no fraud in 2004, how did this happen? :shrug:
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:36 AM
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26. Very good news!
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:43 PM
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27. Now, hopefully these two will start spilling the beans
about who put them up to it...
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:20 PM
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28. What did they do?
The article isn't very specific.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:25 PM
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29. Good news at last
Let's help this information be widely disseminated, so election workers may hesitate to risk jail time.

Yahoo!

:toast: :patriot:

:woohoo:

:thumbsup:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:26 PM
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30. Best news since the election!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 07:09 PM
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32. Hmm. How timely! I bet the people involved start singing like
canaries to save their own butts. Won't it be sweet. Tweet Tweet.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 08:44 PM
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33. what happened?
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