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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 04:58 PM
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John Edwards speaks out on class issues playing into Katrina disaster
Two Americas

Dear Friend,

During the campaign of 2004, I spoke often of the two Americas: the America of the privileged and the wealthy, and the America of those who lived from paycheck to paycheck. I spoke of the difference in the schools, the difference in the loan rates, the difference in opportunity. All of that pales today. Today - and for many days and weeks and months to follow - we see a harsher example of two Americas. We see the poor and working class of New Orleans who don't own a car and couldn't evacuate to hotels or families far from the target of Katrina. We see the suffering of families who lived from paycheck to paycheck and who followed the advice of officials and went to shelters at the Civic Center or the Superdome or stayed home to protect their possessions.

Now every single resident of New Orleans, regardless of their wealth or status, will have terrible losses and life-altering experiences. Every single resident will know and care about someone who was lost to this hurricane. But some, ranging from the very poorest to the working class unable to accumulate a cushion of assets to rely upon on a very, very rainy day, will suffer the most because they simply didn't have the means to evacuate. They suffered the most from Katrina because they always suffer the most.

These are Americans some of whom who left everything they possessed behind in order to save those they loved. These are Americans huddled with their children or pushing a wheelchair between rows of those too beaten or weak to stand. In this moment, we have to remember they are part of us, Americans who love their country and are part of our national community. In this moment, it is hard because our hair is clean and our clothes are washed and our eyes are not glazed with hopelessness. But these are our brothers and sisters, and we have to remember this not just for them, but for us. We must finally recognize that when any of us suffer, we are all weaker; it affects us all.

Commentators on television have expressed surprise, saying they think that most people didn't know there was such poverty in America. Thirty-seven million Americans live in poverty, most of them are the working poor, but it is clear that they have been invisible. But if these commentators are right, this tragedy can have a great influence, if we listen to its message.

The people most devastated have always lived on a razor blade, afraid of any setback, any illness, any job loss that could disrupt the fragile balance they achieved paycheck to paycheck. They didn't leave New Orleans because they couldn't leave. Some didn't leave their homes because they wanted to protect the hard-won possessions that made their lives a little easier.

The government released new poverty statistics this week. The number of Americans living in poverty rose again last year. Thirteen million children -- nearly one in every five -- lives in poverty. Close to 25 percent of all African Americans live in poverty. Twenty-three percent of the population in New Orleans lives in poverty. Those are chilling numbers. Because of Katrina, we have now seen many of the faces behind those numbers.

Poverty exists everywhere in America. It is in Detroit and El Paso. It is in Omaha, Nebraska and Stockton, California. It is in rural towns like Chillicothe, Ohio and Pine Bluff, Arkansas. Nearly half of the children in Detroit, Atlanta and Long Beach, California live in poverty. It doesn't have to be this way. We can begin embracing policies that offer opportunity, reward responsibility, and assume the dignity of each American.

There are immediate needs in New Orleans and the Gulf Coast, and the first priority is meeting those, but after that, we need to think about the American community, about the one America we think we are, the one we talk about. We need people to feel more than sympathy with the victims, we need them to feel empathy with our national community that includes the poor. We have missed opportunities to make certain that all Americans would be more than huddled masses. We have been too slow to act in the face in the misery of our brothers and sisters. This is an ugly and horrifying wake-up call to America. Let us pray we answer this call. Now is the time to act.

- John

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/9/2/14749/71454

http://blog.oneamericacommittee.com/article.pl?sid=05/09/02/1916258§ion=&mode=nested&tid=1&threshold=0

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I think the Senator is right to point out that Katrina will show the "middle America" not just what needs to be done short term (relief efforts) but the long term disconnect between the working and the middle class... Most of those suffering the worst right now are of the poor working class... and the answer is not to blame these folks who are already suffering enough (like idiots of the Fred barns kind) but to acknowledge that there is a socio-economic divide in this country that needs to be abridged.... and so it can be, with the right policies. Edwards was also on MSNBC talking about relief efforts, but he was cut off so that they could get condi on tv *rolls eyes*


I am glad Edwards is speaking about this issue from day 1 (while the rest of the democratic leadership sleeps) ... because its about time!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:00 PM
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1. Oh FINE, just when we had such a lovely meme about Dems
one has to go and speak out. Dagnabit. Now folks will have to revise their thinking. You KNOW how they hate that.
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:45 PM
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14. I don't think those who exhort the dems to speak up are disappointed
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 05:46 PM by msgadget
when they do! Saying that, even sarcastically, suggests they just like to complain, something the right accuses the left of regarding the actions of the right.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:55 PM
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17. Bah
There are those who, despite evidence to the contrary, will continue to say "Where are the Democrats." Not because they just like to complain. But because they drew their conclusions long ago, and aren't looking for evidence to the contrary.

Sorry. Too many "Where are the Dems" threads today. It's getting to me.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:03 PM
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2. Brilliant...on target...thats two prominents: Clark then Edwards
Edwards is so on target. Now somebody needs to do one of these about race!
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:03 PM
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3. Damn I wish Kerry/Edwards had been elected
You know Kerry would've sent Edwards down there Tuesday for as long as it took, and put him in charge as his eyes and ears on the ground. And you know with Edwards in charge he'd have gotten those people rescued, gotten them food and water and gotten them out of NO.

But no, the sheeple had to believe Bush/Cheney would protect them and they were doomed if they elected Kerry/Edwards. I don't know how a Bush voter can look at themselves in the mirror after this week!

And where the hell is Cheney, couldn't drag his big important butt out of vacation!

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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:05 PM
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5. He's working to get Halliburton big government contracts. Got the
clean up on three bases so far.
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DarkmoonIkonoklast Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:29 PM
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20. We campaigned for Edwards, right up to the convention!
Kerry, we somewhat reluctantly supported as the "AnyoneBut" candidate, but Edwards actually impressed me as a Dem who truly "got it"... after all, when you represent poor folks against the Corpsocrats, you get a pretty good real-life education...

Plus, Elizabeth, was the only one of the wives who we could see actually having a cup of coffee with, or chatting over the back fence with about what's going on in the real world while hanging clothes. REAL people, y'know?

As for the true "Bushies", they are as blissfully oblivious as always. After all, "God" isn't punishing any of THEIR sort, you know, bless their shriveled little hearts! THEY are SAVED!

Can I get an amen?

Say Hallelujah!
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DarkmoonIkonoklast Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:31 PM
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21. We campaigned for Edwards, right up to the convention!
Kerry, we somewhat reluctantly supported as the "AnyoneBut" candidate, but Edwards actually impressed me as a Dem who truly "got it"... after all, when you represent poor folks against the Corpsocrats, you get a pretty good real-life education...

Plus, Elizabeth was the only one of the wives who we could see actually having a cup of coffee with, or chatting over the back fence with about what's going on in the real world while hanging clothes. REAL people, y'know?

As for the true "Bushies", they are as blissfully oblivious as always. After all, "God" isn't punishing any of THEIR sort, you know, bless their shriveled little hearts! THEY are SAVED!

Can I get an amen?

Say Hallelujah!
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:40 PM
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24. Very Interesting
You say Kerry would have sent Edwards.

Would Kerry have gone himself? Why send the VP?

Edwards has better people skills than Kerry. He has better people skills than Dubya. Kerry is a better administrator than Dubya.

It is too bad Dubya is the one in the White House.

Does anyone remember the episode of West Wing where Bartlett went to an area in the mid-West hit by killer tornados, one of those "President Visits Disaster Site" deals and it was only supposed to be a few hours and he stayed all night talking to relief workers and victims?

I see Edwards doing that.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:45 PM
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27. Edwards might do a little more than talk.
Wasn't there a story about how after one of those Hurricanes in SC, when Edwards was a lawyer, he rented a big truck, filled with supplies from home depot and drove down to the damaged areas to pass stuff out to victims?
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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:51 PM
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30. I can see Edwards doing that too... not so much kerry though.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:05 PM
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34. That's What I Mean
Kerry just doesn't have as much of a personal touch. That's not a criticism, at least he doesn't try to fake it. B

But, even if Kerry had been on vacation, he would have flown to Washington the day the storm hit & not slept til guardsmen were on their way to Louisiana & Mississippi with water.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 10:07 PM
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52. You're damn right he would have!!
The man ooozes compassion and he would not have let this happen.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:05 PM
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4. Edwards could be our RFK in '08
40 years later. Just watch your back John!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:10 PM
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7. I Sure Hope Not... Cause This Is One Guy I WILL Vote For!!!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:08 PM
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6. I Get His Mail All The Time...
He's one of the Good Ones and I Support him completely! Democrats had better start making some noise or they deserve to lose another election.

And Guess Who is making the loudest sound. The Congressional Black Caucus, AS USUAL!! At least they are out in front!

And I'm White!
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:22 PM
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8. He tried to warn us all....
My God, I wish he had won the vice presidency. Amazing he's checked in but Cheney is still AWOL.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:25 PM
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9. Glad to hear from the REAL VP- where is Heart Attack Man???
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 05:26 PM by Dr Fate
???
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:27 PM
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10. I liked what he had to say.....
We need as many voices speaking in Unison as possible....maybe then, the American people will put two and two together!

Thank you John Edwards!
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:29 PM
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11. Notice: 100% empathy & no mention of looters.
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 05:33 PM by 1932
Also, notice how high he aims in targeting the CAUSE of this crisis.

He's not blaming Bush. He's not saying it was just an unpreventable, unpredicted act of nature. He isolated the social causes explaining why it has taken days to do anything for these people. He's also talking about the future, about what will happen to the survivors and about what's happening to our society that could result in more disasters like this one if we don't do anything about these issues.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:45 PM
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15. You don't think that Bush was the CAUSE of this crisis?
which would have been just another natural disaster....but not in where people are suffering way after the fact? In particular, those who are the poorest among us. You really don't think that Bush is to blame on this?

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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:52 PM
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16. It's bigger than that. You can get rid of Bush and nothing will change
unless we address what's going wrong with a society that makes so many so poor so that a few can get so rich (and that applies to the whole world and not just N.O.).

We need to elect Democrats and not Republicans, but we also need to think about what the Democrats are going to change once they get into office.

The problem here isn't just that we didn't run a rescue effort right because the guy at the top doesn't care. We have an entire society that isn't working right.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:01 PM
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18. We need to elect leaders....I agree.....
and I beg to differ; the current leaders had everything to do with the magnitude of the man-made disaster that ensued the natural one.

You say "we have an entire society that isn't working right", and I agree...but Why? I think IT IS because those at the top DON'T care...and I do think that this is the EXACT PROBLEM.

I think that America has to put people and the state of our infrastructure before weapons....i.e., cut the defense budget in a sane manner to get at the revenues needed (raising taxes is a losing issue for the most part these days), and we might have an approach to solving the funding problem so that not only could Dems make it into office, but we could actually make a real difference while we are there. Understanding the problem is one step.....coming up with a solution is the other 1/2 that many miss.

Will stop now, as to not take the OP OT! :hi:
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:17 PM
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19. There are plenty of people behind Bush, some of them Democrats
who don't care about there being an underclass of poor people who are treated very differently in America.

This about something much bigger than Bush. It's about every wealth polarizing policy our government engages in. It's also about, for example, Joe Lieberman protecting the accounting industry and Wall St from having to be sufficiently transparent so that the equities markets can't be used to push CEO compensation up to stratospheric heights while working class people get the shaft.

I agree that Bush is part of the indictment because he's the symbolic head and an effective voice for survival-of-the-fittest wealth polarization, but he's got a very deep bench backing him up on the policies that caused this disaster and attacking only Bush is a small step towards solving this problem. It's going to require a much bigger and more organized committment to solve the real problems.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #16
47. I've been reading your posts and your excellent points all week
just wanted you to know I appreciated your insights.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:41 PM
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50. I do not lie when I say that I
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 08:42 PM by 1932
noticed your posts from day one here (and it's not because of the long handle).

It pleases me more than I can express to get a thumbs-up from a DU'er I respect.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:44 PM
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51. right back atcha, my fried..question
what does 1932 stand for? Not the year of your birth is it?
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:30 PM
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41. I blame Bush
and I wouldn't have minded if Edwards had stated that, too. You know he MUST feel that way.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:36 PM
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44. You do these issues injustice by not discussing the deap social and
political causes for what happened.

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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:32 PM
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12. Yes, there really are two Americas
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 05:33 PM by Inspired
You knew it and spoke it, Senator, when no one else was talking about it. Your work now on povery, work and opportunity is very timely. I am so proud to be your supporter.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 05:36 PM
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13. Do you know if his porverty Center is doing some work out
In NO?

Is there a link to it?
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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:33 PM
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22. It is not active yet... it was/is to start with the 05/06 school year....
The poverty center doesn't have a staff or the resources in place to be a part of this mission as of yet. Edwards has been traveling around the country, talking with people living in homeless shelters, those in poverty, and those running poverty relief organizations... all in preparation/research for the real academic and practical work to follow. So, I'm guessing since the center is not even up and running... there isn't much he or the center could be doing anywhere right now.
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DarkmoonIkonoklast Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:35 PM
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23. Can I get an amen? Say Hallelujah! Edwards in 2008!!!
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:42 PM
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25. This isn't about 2008. It's about doing the right thing now
and for the next 5 years, and the next 50 and 100 years and beyond.
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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:49 PM
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29. Agreed.....
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:53 PM
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31. Amen 1932
I have been saying this, but unfortunately, it has fallen on deaf ears.

Thanks VP (don't we wish) Edwards!
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:02 PM
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33. Yeah. There's plenty to chew on in this statement so that we shouldn't
have time to talk about this in terms of 2008.

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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:26 PM
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39. You get an amen from me.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:43 PM
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26. Excellent statement - recommended.
Thank you John Edwards.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:47 PM
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28. Edwards said Bush can't walk and chew gum at the same time
that was good! - "I spoke often of the two Americas" and he was right on that one too!

http://downingstreetmemo.com/
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 06:59 PM
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32. I love this guy. John Edwards rocks.
I always thought he had the hardest job in the 2004 election--that of running against the REAL President of the United States, Dick Cheney. And in his debate with that sneering jerk, Edwards handed him his defibrillated keister. I frankly think Edwards should have been on top of that ticket, with Kerry or someone else as the VP.

I sincerely hope Edwards is going for a 2008 run. If he could get on a ticket with Wes Clark, I think it will be Tinker to Evers to Chance (obscure baseball reference for the old codgers out there) for the White House. I think that's just unbeatable.
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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:13 PM
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35. His message is powerful
I am especially moved when he says we now have a face on the poverty numbers. That it what so many people don't see, the faces of destitution.
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gemlake Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:21 PM
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36. A True Leader
Thanks for posting. I was waiting to hear from Edwards.

Just think if Kerry had won. We would have had real leadership for this crisis.

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:22 PM
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37. Thank you John Edwards !
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 07:24 PM by Catchawave
Always inspiring, and still on target about his Two Americas 2004 Prez campaign platform.

http://blog.oneamericacommittee.com/
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:22 PM
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38. That is good.
I am glad he is connecting the dots. I hope that if anything good can come out of this horrible disaster, it will be a better understanding of race and class in america.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:28 PM
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40. It would best if we got past this idealized rhetoric about
how there should be equality of opportunity (when we know there really isn't any) and started committing ourselves to the principle that the government should actually provide some equality of outcomes so that we don't have such incredible polarization of wealth in America.
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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:37 PM
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45. No way...
I think we need to level the playing field... not destruct it. Equality of outcomes? Should the government guarantee a minimum income or a maximum income regardless of what you do? hmm.. There are a lot of things we need to do ... and I don't believe that "equality of opportunity" is an idealistic dream.... isn't that the ideal this country has been trying to live upto... we abolished slavery, desegregated our society, we granted women suffrage... we have taken too long, but we are getting there... i believe there will be a day in America when class and race will become insignificant factors. It might take decades to come, but we need to start the work to get there... and a lot of Edwards' proposals are actually good groundwork for reaching the kind of America where work equals decent living.

All men and women are created equal... America is on a long journey to turn that ideal into a realistic social principle. We took the first step when we abolished slavery... we will take the next big one now when we eradicate poverty... or establish the institutions that lead us towards that goal.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:53 PM
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54. I don't want the poor in New Orleans to have had a chance to get wealthy
enough to have been able to evacuate. I want the government to actively promote equality of outcome. If they were poor, even if they had the chance to get rich, I want the government to get them out just like the rich were able to get out. That's equality of outcome.

Get it?

Equality of opportunity is great (if it's not just hollow rhetoric and actually exists -- and it doesn't in America, which was my point in my previous post). But failing to seize opportunity is still no excuse for making people miserable in a world as rich as ours.

I wouldn't have said this before I read the book The Health of Nations. After reading that book, I now understand how dangerous it is for our society to have so much polarized wealth.

Read the book if you still don't get it.
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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:14 AM
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55. Your thoughts are unclear...
Of course, I agree that the federal gov't should have made arrangements for the poor and the working class citizens to be able to afford the same outcome as the rich who were able to evacuate and escape the misery.

However, my point is that the two are not mutually exclusive. You seem to suggest that since we cannot achieve a society where there is an equal opportunity for all, we should instead focus on equality of outcome. I say that we have to adopt "equality of outcome" as a short term critical philosophy to help this nation as it exists today - i.e. divided along racial & economic lines... however, we should not lose sight of the long term goal: to create an equal opportunity society, which I believe America is capable of attaining.

You used the phrase "failing to seize opportunity"... at this, I would point out that you misunderstand the premise of an equal opportunity society. It is not that there are people who "fail to seize opportunity" .. it is that those opportunities are not even extended to them. When a child goes to some third-rate public school in Washington D.C.... and another one goes to a top-class public school in North Carolina, and this impacts the future of these two kids... then the problem isn't simply that the former child "failed to seize the opportunity"... it is that he wasn't even provided the opportunity of getting access to the kind of education that might have put him at the same level playing field as the child living in a rich neighborhood with a good public school system.

So, equality of outcome cannot be gained in all forms until their is an equality of opportunity for all. Yes, in times of crisis or any similar situation, the federal/state gov't should actively work towards getting each and every citizen towards the common, shared goal - despite the fact that it will take more resources to help some as opposed to the more fortunate others. But that is no excuse to sit silently and watch at least a quarter of America being cut off from the opportunity ladder... have you read the brookings report that points out how things are costlier in poor areas.. and how the poor pay more for the basics of life... and how the poor haunted by credit card companies and predatory lenders... the list goes on....

"Equality of outcome" is an important component of how we deal with this country's needs as they exist today.. .however "equality of opportunity" is the path on which we want to see this country travel tomorrow and thereafter. Is it idealistic? Yes. Is it feasible? I believe so.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:18 AM
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56. I'm saying that I believe in equality of opportunity. But I wouldn't stop
there.

If equality of opporunity still resulted in polarized wealth and power, we'd be no better than if we didn't have equality of opportunity.

We have to think about making sure that the results of our policies is, in fact, equality.

Read Health of Nations. It explains what's at stake.
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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:48 PM
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58. We are on the same page... but we're writing from different directions
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:32 PM
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42. More, more and more of this sort of discussion is needed!
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:34 PM
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43. ...a discussion of the issues raised in email (and not posturing for 2008)
Like I said above, there is so much meat in that email. Those are the issues we need to discuss.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:24 PM
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46. Yes and Edwards makes a great spokesman.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:27 PM
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48. Edwards is the genuine article
I hope he continues to speak out, and often!
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:36 PM
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49. Excellent
I love both Kerry and Edwards - wish they could be in the WH instead of the crew we've got. For '08 I'm increasingly leaning towards Edwards (although certainly Clark, Kerry, and Warner merit consideration). Simply put, I think he has the best political skills and the most genuine common touch of anyone in the race. Plus, he's on the right side of most issues.

Of course, whoever the Democratic nominee is I'll vote for them enthusiastically (well okay, I guess Vilsack would be an unenthusiastic vote).
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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:09 PM
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53. Talking of '08... Where are Bayh and Biden when it's time to speak?
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:26 AM
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57. I think Biden is whitening his teeth somewhere....
He'd help but there are more important things going on in America than a localized incident.
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