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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:53 PM
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Chertoff: You can't mobilize the NG in 24 hours
It takes longer and you have to make sure you identify the needed specialties ... you don't want to send truck drivers when you need those trained for military police work.

I think I woke up in the "Twighlight Zone."
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:54 PM
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They should have been mobilized by the Sat before the hurricane
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:53 PM
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17. ex-act-ly!
-----------------------------------------------------
Save New Orleans, then save this country!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm
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globol@comcast.net Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:30 PM
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33. They HAD TIME NO MORE EXCUSES
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:54 PM
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1. That's why you should have organized them a WEEK ago
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 03:54 PM by rocknation
:kick:- hole!

:mad:
rocknation
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:54 PM
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2. Er... I think you can.
That is what their job is, actually.

To guard the nation.

Hence ... their name.

(I feel like screaming... I'm with you in the Twilight Zone, I tell you...)
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:55 PM
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3. Excuses. Obfuscation. Avoidance. Blame Shifting. Anything except
'personal responsibility'.

Fuck the whole bunch of them.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:08 PM
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25. From the party that brought America the "personal responsibility"
meme.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:55 PM
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4. Ever hear of standby?
We need people with answers not excuses. Please step down. Thank you.
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Benbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:57 PM
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5. Of course you can n/t
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:57 PM
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6. Actually I think you want to take your "specialities" and shove them.
Put your pastry chefs and filing clerks in uniform and get them in boats searching for survivors. They can call out with bullhorns to people trapped in attics can't they or do they need special training for that?

Put your troops on the damn streets with fucking long rifles and maintain the fucking lid--give the New Orleans cops some fucking BACKUP you JACKASS!
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puddycat Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 03:59 PM
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7. Chertoff is a jerk, and will probably take the fall for Bush
Once again, Bush will manipulate himself out of a mess he created. It doesn't matter that Bush destroyed FEMA's ability to act, he destroyed the environmental laws that protected wetlands around New Orleans, he destroyed the public works budgets that would have helped reinforce the levees, and he destroyed the Nat Guard's ability to act by deploying them in an illegal war, all that matters is someone has to take the blame for him--and Rove will make sure of it.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:01 PM
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8. Couldn't NG response be as quick as the tsunomi?? they wern't local!
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:01 PM
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9. Don't they have any f*cking computers at FEMA or the National Guard?
Are we really supposed to believe there are NO databases anywhere tracking what various National Guards folks are trained to do - - and what their phone numbers and email addresses are? Are they carving the national guard records into marble slabs and storing them in somebody's garage?

The Bush Admin needs to join the rest of us in the 21st Century.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:05 PM
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12. One thing I would believe
Is that there is a shortage of important skills in the Guard at the present time. Thanks to *.
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Oreegone Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:28 PM
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32. No TV's either evidently
I watched the head of FEMA say they didn't know until Thursday there were people at the convention center...so they evidently don't even have a TV or radio.

Perhaps they are Mennonites?:sarcasm:
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:03 PM
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10. Are they censoring this? What he really said was "except in
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 04:07 PM by rzemanfl
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:07 PM
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13. I heard that
I nearly puked. What the hell is this if not an emergency?

I'm sick of the excuses and double talk. No covering your asses now, bastards! There were too many eyes on you!
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liberaliraqvet26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:04 PM
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11. We have Rapid Response teams...
that could be anywhere in the world within 24 hours. thats a load of crap.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:49 PM
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14. Chertoff just announced to the world
that we are sitting ducks, for those slow learners that hadn't already figured it out for themselves.

The stupidity is mind boggling.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:58 PM
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15. Total crap
I was called up five times---took about three hours from the time I received the phone call and we were on our way.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:50 PM
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16. He's a liar. Read this:
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:03 PM
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18. He sounds as though he's never heard of a computer
Or a phone bank.

Algorithm:

1. Sit down at the computer's database interface
2. Call up and list out all the MPs
3. Xerox the list, mark off a section for each phone bank person
4. PBP calls each MP on the list: 'Get over here, you're mobilised'
5. PBP differentially checks off which ones were notified, which not
6. If other specialities are needed, GO TO step 2
7. Total up the number of people in each speciality who have been told to come in.

Gee, that's not so hard, is it.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:15 PM
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19. And he's in charge of what?!!!!
ohmygod are we in trouble.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:26 PM
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20. Bushbots obviously can't even mobilize their own asses in 24 hours!
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:28 PM
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21. Oh HORSESHIT,they had a HELL of alot more than 24 hours....
Jesus...are there actually morans STILL out there that believe any of this "we didn't have time" bullshit??

Even FOX IDIOTS are seeing through this crap....
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:36 PM
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22. I bet he didn't say THIS...
...so this is the kind of response that Americans will have to expect the next time a hurricane strikes...

That IS what he's saying right?
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:04 PM
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23. Well, Chertoff is right. HE can't mobilize them in 24 hours. He
also couldn't organize a garage sale in 24 hours either.
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:06 PM
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24. If that's the case, why don't we just surrender to Al-qaeda now?
We should never be fighting an elective war anywhere.
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:09 PM
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26. Gee, that's good to know for when the suitcase nukes go off... n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:14 PM
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28. Don't it make ya feel all warm and fuzzy knowing this guy
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 07:15 PM by blondeatlast


is ready and waiting to cover his bony ass when said suitcases ignite?

I know I'm sleeping much better... :scared:
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:20 PM
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30. Yeah, I'm sure he'll make sure the NG are dispatched to all
the Rangers, Pioneers...

:mad:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:11 PM
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27. Mr, Chertoff--do the job right the first time and YOU DON'T HAVE
TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS LATER.

Millions of wage-slaves and cube rats are well aware of this, what the fuck is wrong with the shrubbery?
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Oreegone Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:16 PM
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29. Goodbye Homeland Security
If they can't mobilize necessary troops in 24 hours, we might as well close up shop, and screw Homeland Security because there is none. Oh, I see this wasn't a national emergency? If not, what could be? Cindy Sheehan supporters perhaps?
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Oreegone Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:24 PM
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31. Listen up Cherkoff
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 07:25 PM by Oreegone
Either you can or you can't call them up....its not a multiple choice question.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:32 PM
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34. What Bush did prior to Katrina making landfall
should be compared to what Bush did prior to two of last year's huricanes which hit Florida.

Hurricane Charley hit Florida on August 13 last year. The following is from a DHS press release that day.

Department of Homeland Security Prepares Response to Hurricane Charley

FEMA Public Affairs
Contact: 202-646-4600
August 13, 2004

With Hurricane Charley's 145 mile-per-hour winds impacting the Florida coast, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has pre-positioned personnel and supplies for rapid response to areas that will need emergency assistance from this Category 4 strength storm.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is coordinating activities along with other federal departments and respective state agencies. FEMA met its goal to have necessary emergency response teams and disaster relief supplies positioned throughout the southeast region earlier today in preparation for the anticipated response operations. More equipment and resources are being deployed from stockpiles nationwide.

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge and FEMA Director Michael Brown are maximizing readiness and response efforts for Hurricane Charley and have been in contact with Florida Governor Jeb Bush and other governors in southeast states that could be impacted by this dangerous storm.

FEMA's Mobile Emergency Response Services’ communication units from as far away as FEMA’s Denver, CO, regional office were mobilized to be in place prior to Hurricane Charley's landfall. These units are able to provide telephone, radio and video links in support of response and recovery efforts.

FEMA has activated and deployed Medical Management Support Teams such as MASH-type Disaster Medical Assistance Teams and Veterinary Medical Teams and has mobilized and pre-positioned first-responder urban search and rescue teams for possible service. Disaster medical teams have also brought extra supplies to ensure that the region's large elderly population’s needs are met.

Twenty semi-trailers containing cots and blankets, emergency meals, portable toilets, personal wash kits, sleeping bags, 6-8 person tents, plastic sheeting and roofing, bottled water and mid-range generators are being staged in Georgia for rapid deployment to Florida. FEMA has also deployed large sea containers with building materials for immediate home repairs.

. . .

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, at FEMA's request, has coordinated the deployment of ten truckloads of water and seven truckloads of ice to the Tampa area and has deployed sandbag teams and portable flood control levees to central and northern Florida.

. . .

The Department of Defense (DoD) is supporting FEMA's response effort with four military bases being used for mobilization and staging sites for response teams and supplies. DoD is also analyzing national aircraft assets from military and civilian agencies if additional aircraft are needed to transport response and recovery supplies.

. . .

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=3942


And hurricane Frances hit Florida on Sunday, September 5 last year. This is from a September 6, 2004 White House press release:

. . .

As of noon Monday, in response to Hurricane Frances, FEMA and other Federal response agencies have taken the following actions:

About one hundred trucks of water and 280 trucks of ice are present or will arrive in the Jacksonville staging area today.

900,000 Meals-Ready-to-Eat are on site in Jacksonville, ready to be distributed.

Over 7,000 cases of food (e.g., vegetables, fruits, cheese, ham, and turkey) are scheduled to arrive in Winter Haven today.

Disaster Medical Assistance Teams (DMAT) are on the ground and setting up comfort stations. FEMA community relations personnel will coordinate with DMATs to assist victims.

Urban Search and Rescue Teams are completing reconnaissance missions in coordination with state officials.

FEMA is coordinating with the Department of Energy and the state to ensure that necessary fuel supplies can be distributed throughout the state, with a special focus on hospitals and other emergency facilities that are running on generators.

The Army Corps of Engineers will soon begin its efforts to provide tarps to tens of thousands of owners of homes and buildings that have seen damage to their roofs.

The National Guard has called up 4,100 troops in Florida, as well as thousands in other nearby states to assist in the distribution of supplies and in preparation for any flooding.

The Departments of Health and Human Services, Veterans Affairs, and Defense together have organized 300 medical personnel to be on standby. Medical personnel will begin deployment to Florida tomorrow.

. . .
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/09/20040906-1.html

And there was this concerning Frances:

Michael Brown, director of FEMA, told CNN: . . .

"We have poised right now to move into this state literally thousands of personnel, literally hundreds and hundreds of trucks, emergency rescue workers, urban search and rescue, medical teams."

FEMA spokesman James McIntyre said about 4,500 federal personnel are staged at various locations in Florida, Georgia and other states in Frances' path. More people are on call. FEMA deployed about 1,500 people in response to Charley, which hit southern and central Florida Aug. 13, McIntyre said.

. . .

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WEATHER/09/04/hurricane.frances /

In addition, last year Bush even had FEMA hire a political consultant to devise political public relations strategies concerning the response to hurricane Frances for FEMA and the Bush campaign.

. . .

But politics was foremost on the mind of FEMA consultant Glenn Garcelon, who wrote a three-page memo titled "Hurricane Frances -- Thoughts and Suggestions," on Sept. 2.

The Republican National Convention was winding down, and President Bush had only a slight lead in the polls against Democrat John Kerry. Winning Florida was key to the president's re-election. FEMA should pay careful attention to how it is portrayed by the public, Garcelon wrote in the memo, conveying "the team effort theme at every opportunity" alongside state and local officials, the insurance and construction industries, and relief agencies such as the Red Cross.

"What FEMA cannot afford to do is back itself into a corner by feeling it has to be the sole explainer and defender for everything that goes wrong," he wrote. "Further, this is not what the President would want. Plenty is going to go wrong, and his Department of Homeland Security does not want to assume responsibility for all of it."

Garcelon, a former FEMA employee, recommended that "top-level people from FEMA and the White House need to develop a communication strategy and an agreed-upon set of themes and communications objectives."

"Communication consultants from the President's re-election campaign should be brought in," he wrote. "Above all, everybody's got to understand that no amount of flogging DHS/ FEMA will insure that the recovery will go perfectly. This is going to be a huge mess. The public needs to be prepared for it."

. . .
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/sfl-fema23mar23,0,5144922.story?coll=sfla-news-utility

In contrast, before Katrina hit, Bush declared parts of the gulf coast a federal disaster area to streamline claims for financial assistance from the government after the hurricane passed. I have been unable to find any information on the White House, DHS, or FEMA web sites concerning any other actions taken in advance of Katrina except for a press release stating that:

"FEMA will mobilize equipment and resources necessary to protect public health and safety by assisting law enforcement with evacuations, establishing shelters, supporting emergency medical needs, meeting immediate lifesaving and life-sustaining human needs and protecting property, in addition to other emergency protective measures."



http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18447

Shortly before Katrina made landfall, Bush also attended a fund raiser, played a guitar, and shortened one of his several annual vacations by a few hours.

That is a far cry from what Bush did in 2004.



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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:19 PM
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36. NO are 67% Black and voted overwhelmingly for Kerry
One day after Hurricane Frances, W was in Florida personally handing out bottled water to whites.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:17 PM
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37. Bookmarked and looking to recommend this but I can't find the dang
button?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:54 PM
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35. Someone should tell him about bunkerboy's little "war" in Iraq.
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 07:58 PM by TankLV
We managed to mobilize and invade an innocent country in ONE FUCKING DAY!

And that was on the other side of the fucking planet!

This is in our backyard, and apparently these negligently incompetant
yahoos don't own a TV or radio.
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