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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:45 PM
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I keep getting this feeling that Bush's team threatened Nagin
I may be wearing my :tinfoilhat: but Nagin's refusal, following his very emotional appeal, to point his finger squarely at the White House makes me wonder.

As I understand Rove was with him. Did hey hold something over his head, force him to swear not to blame the president, for expedited recovery?

I dunno... might be far-fetched... but it just crossed my mind.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:47 PM
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1. I'm sure that's why he made that CIA comment. n/t
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:58 PM
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5. Me too, and that's why he decided making the CIA comment
just might make them think twice before he was killed by a "distraught flood survivor" who was "shot while trying to escape."
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:51 PM
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2. could it be he's waiting till he gets the help that is needed...
before he starts pointing fingers and laying blame?
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:51 PM
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3. Nothing far fetched there.
Id imagine it's a job that's quietly been given to the men in black.

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liberaliraqvet26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:52 PM
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4. I think it could've been counterproductive....
for Nagin to not be civil. This is a vendictive bunch.
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cser Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:00 PM
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6. I understand there were black helicopters flying over his town n/t
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:03 PM
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7. He should lose his cellphone and perhaps refuse any "chip" they
might offer him to make him safer.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:03 PM
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8. I don't think so
I don't completely understand his about-face either.
I was thinking the same thing initially but after thinking about it it seems more likely that he was given a deal similar to:

Play nice and we'll do everything we can for your city.
Don't play nice and we'll drag our feet while your people die.
If you blab this to the media tomorrow we'll deny it and will still drag our feet.



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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:07 PM
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9. Oh, I wouldn't doubt it...
I'll bet Bush said play nice, or I'll sit on this, siege your people out...

Nagin has been out there since Sunday night trying to get people help. And I think that's part of it right now; his focus is on helping people. ..
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:13 PM
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10. Given this administration's record of proven vindictiveness...
(Gen. Shinseki, Valerie Plame etc.), I think that's exactly what happened: the political equivalent of a gag order -- "any more criticism and we'll make it much worse."
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:22 PM
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11. when * puts his hand on someone's shoulder - I know he has
not sure what the goods are - could be to prevent him or family or extended family from something - not much different than mafia

he did this with greenspan when he enter office - and greenspan has been in his pocket - did it with lots of people and afterward they shut up and started shilling for *
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:32 PM
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12. I don't think it is at all far-fetched. I just wish there was
something we could do to protect him...
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A Brand New World Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:45 PM
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13. I definitely think he was threatened in some way. Too big of a change
in attitude from Nagin. Threatened either physically or politically. People always seem to come away from * with a change in attitude, supposedly due to his charming personality. I think it's intimidation. Mafia tactics - pure & simple.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:05 PM
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14. The other M.O. is offering hush money
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:15 PM
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15. I was listening to the scanners last night
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 09:45 PM by truth2power
and someone said something about Nagin going to his office. This was shortly after midnight. After the Japanese consul being cleared thru the checkpoints.

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4597508&mesg_id=4598773

I hope someone else can confirm this, as I know I heard it. Now I'm wishing I had posted on it. Was he meeting someone?

edit> I really can spell "Japanese".

edit again> after reading the thread about the Japanese offering financial help - maybe that's who he was meeting. They didn't say where the consul was going. Sheesh! I just wouldn't put it past Bushco to give Nagin the smackdown in the middle of the night.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:57 PM
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16. They probably took him on...
...the same sort of helo tour they took Blanco on.

The one where they go out over the ocean, open a door, and tell you stories about what happened off the coast of 'Nam, and during the DIrty War in Argentina.

And then you get to 'revise your remarks'.
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NancyG Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:05 PM
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17. Looked like Nagin was shunning *
After * talked, then the governor, MSNBC said when everyone else was shaking *'s hand, Nagin walked away. I think that was a more powerful way to deal with the shrub, by shunning him.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:10 PM
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18. nah! - heard Kagin in interview after thanking Bush and he still said
"Bush showed up for photo-op and that things still wern't going well evacuating..this is before the last person was wheeled out of the superdome.
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