CNN: Anti-Kerry Attack flyers has been Flooding NH. Who Takes Credit?

[Raya]

Hotline guy says it iA"There are no finger prints." Says that it is a detailed listing of reasons why Kerry is not electable including that
he voted against the Gulf War. Wonder who this came from. Sounds
much like stuff on DU board here.

Guess one of the campaigns is too cowardly to accept responsibility for their wonderfull opposition research.

[windansea]

1. a four letter name??

[kstewart33]

3. Sounds like it to me

[JuniorPlankton]

8. I assume you mean Bush :) n/t

[Walt Starr]

26. Hell, I thought they meant R-O-V-E

That's the worst four letter wor...er...name I can think of!

Mr. Puppetmeister himself!

[retyred]

37. Gaff?

As in.....dean?


retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[bushwakker]

39. Couldn't be

The good Doctor is too clean to do such a thing.

[ibegurpard]

2. Well if it WAS who you imply

then it would be fitting retribution for Iowa.

[THUNDER HANDS]

4. I'd say it takes about 10 posts

Before someone claims Kerry is doing this himself.

[Snivi Yllom]

44. wellllllllll maybe

;)

[TheDonkey]

5. Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean

Kerry is going to have to come up with a stellar explanation to counter this question that the right will throw at him.

[Old and In the Way]

17. My cut and paste refutation, I'll be using it with some frequency

"If you cannot admit Kerry and the Congress was lied to then you cannot say that Bush lied."

I guess I expect the Executive branch to be truthful to Congress, if not, the whole system breaks down. I beleive that Bush lied to Congress about the urgency of reacting to WMD in Iraq. Nonetheless, a resolution was passed that gave the President power to wage war IF UN inspections were not working. They were working, they were finding no weapons, and Bush used the resolution to declare unilateral war without basis.

Bush lied, lots of people died...and are still dying. He broke his trust with Congress and if we had a Republican Party that was not propping up this unelected fraud, we'd have impeachment proceedings underway.

Something else, too. Let's assume President Dean or Kerry or Edwards or Clark is elected next year and they have hard intelligence that says North Korea is ready to light the nuclear firecracker on, say, Japan.

If our President goes to Congress and says that this action is imminent, would we not expect Congress to react and support a resolution if the evidence is presented? Would we be pissed off if the Republican majority decided this was a political ploy and rejected the Resolution? If we're right and the nukes are thrown, who is responsible? I would think the American people, certainly the Japenese, would hold the Republican majority responsible.

As a member of the minority party the gamble was vote against and be proven wrong or support and qualify. Choosing the former, in hindsight, would be right but if we were wrong, the Party would be as good as toast. I think our Democratic Senators played the best hand they were dealt. I guess you can choose to hate Kerry and Edwards for their vote, but I think if I had been an elected Senator, given that this administration controlled the debate and the evidence, I'd have opted to protect my constituents.

[calimary]

34. You make an EXCELLENT point here: using the "L" word.

Seems to me it's absolutely IMPERATIVE that our guys, Kerry, Edwards, Clark, Dean, Kucinich, Sharpton, yes, even Lieberman, start using the "L" word. Why do they not JUST COME OUT AND SAY BUSH LIED? LIED. Repeat - LIED. It's about time we use it and use it and use it and use it and use it again and again. LIED. BUSH LIED. Two words, four letters each, eight letters total, one syllable. Easy as pie. LIED. BUSH LIED. If they're bugged about lies when a guy cheats on his wife, then they BETTER be bugged when a guy cheats on the whole country.

[sistersofmercy]

35. Excellent response, Old and In the Way!

:toast:

[Old and In the Way]

40. Thanks Sister!

BTW, you good Sisters taught me cathecism and instilled the fear of God in me, LOL.

Another thing about what Bush's Big Lie has done- the damage for future Presidents to argue the case for US security....a lie like this will always be remembered about how a weak man used, what should be carefully considered applications of military power, for his own selfish political and economic interests.

Politizing the use of national security is a disgusting act and potentially damaging precedent that will make legitimate cases far more difficult for his successors in the future.

[Gin]

38. Since Kennedy voted NO for the IWR...what did he know that Kerry

didn't? Was Kennedy wrong? Are they not in the same Senate? What was the discussion between the two that would make them reach such different conclusions? Someone should ask that question. Two good men from the same state/same party vote differently on such an important issue. Something is not right with that picture.

[Old and In the Way]

45. I couldn't tell you.....really.

Maybe they planned it that way.

Personally, I think this "vote" was planned as an ambush to Democrats just before the mid-terms. 9/11 was only 12 months earlier....Daschle and Leahy had been anthrax'd by someone with access to US weapons grade strains. The administration's pre-knowledge of threats could be incompetence or worse (LIHOP/MIHOP)and their role has yet to be vetted. But if was worse than simple incompetence, then the question is, were they hoping for a unanimous anti-war vote from the Democrats? Logically, the Democratic Base was pretty vocally anti-war. UN inspections were working....seems like an easy position for all Democrats to sign up for. But if we had been unanimous in our opposition....would another terrorist "event", this time attributable to Hussein, have occurred? That scenario assures a mid-term debacle for the DEMS, jumpstarts the Iraq War, allows them to run the PNAC table, and Bush run's on the "Democrats are Appeasors of Terrorists" platform. By the time 2004 rolls around, what's the point of running any candidate?

Call me paranoid, but I do believe that this consideration was run through the Democratic political calculator.

So while most Dems voted a heavily qualified "for", there were a few that spoke out loudly against it. I guess we'll never know if this was the underlying reason, but I do know that we have an excellent shot to win back the Presidency in November.

[Democrats unite]

6. I sure would like to know...

So I could buy them a beer & say thanks for giving Kerry a taste of his own medicine!

[GalleryGod]

9. Made the List. Not in Doobies-in-Philly you won't be buying

Only LOYAL Dems allowed.

Go Read: "The Making of the President 1972" see if you smell something familiar in 2004?:tinfoilhat:


Gradin' them as He Sees them:kick:
G.G.:smoke:

[Democrats unite]

14. allot of things change in 32 years

& for Kerry it has been for the worse.

[economic justice]

7. Sounds like

Kerry is the target of getting TRIPPED up. Catch that?

[GalleryGod]

10. Jack Tripper from "Three's Company" ???

Nah! We got it!
We ain't no dummies on duh DU!

[economic justice]

13. Is that

I hear you! It's kinda like saying "Of course we know...we're all nerds here!" I mean really, how many people would know the name of Howard Dean's campaign manager? DU is a cut above! (Or nerdy as Hell!!) :)

[stepnw1f]

15. Actually...

I believe it was from the Right. I wouldn't pass it by the Republicans to try something dirty like this. Just look at all the political pundits and media trying to get the candidates to respond to each other's quotes. They are constantly trying to instigate mudslinger when they know well the voters can't stand it. It's a real turn-off to the public and now the campaign is looking like a circus. It exactly what the Bush supporters want to see. Now all the political pundits have to do is exploit the finger pointing...guess the rest.

[demdave]

11. I just read the link where Dean is making this same claim about Kerry.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=201639

So I have a question, what sauce is best when we eat our own?

[killbotfactory]

12. Edwards

Since no one will believe that he did it. He's the self-proclaimed positive candidate.

[Abigail147]

29. John Edward's good looks

make him immune to such attacks especially when you consider he has not served even a full term in office and most of that time was spent campaigning for president. You know I think the media find him telegenic as hell and he fits into their idea of what consitutes an attractive spot on tv. And you know how important those things are to the impressionable.

[GreenArrow]

36. Edwards

that'd be my guess.

[lastknowngood]

16. Who has been adding offensive animation to

Dean emails and forwarding them to the dean supporters? Trust me the most likely is Rove and his devided and destroy machine. If you blame it on the other guy, although Kerry's guy did get caught in Iowa, your just helping the shrub.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

18. Offensive animation?

[progressivebydesign]

21. I hadn't heard about the email thing.

You know.. I don't think the posters came from the Dean camp... That's not their style. What HAS been happening to Dean, is that some outside groups are sending out bogus anti-gay emails, push polling in which Dean is called an "environmental racist", and the worst.. wondering about his position as a Christian, as his wife and kids "are Jewish". Though some unpleasant posters have been traced back to Kerry, and Edward's own training manual has some pretty nasty stuff... I STILL think that there are GOP fingerprints on lots of these things against ALL the candidates. If we think the GOP is not working overtime in the primary states... then we have forgotten three things 1) McCain vs. Bush in South Carolina. 2) Willie Horton 3) Rove is an Atwater protege. I put nothing, short of murder, past those people...

[Abigail147]

31. Sounds very Rovian to me.

This should give you some idea how frightened they are of a Dean candidacy initiated by the people and for the people.

[THUNDER HANDS]

25. what did Kerry's people do in Iowa

I must have missed that story. Can anyone fill me in?

[zulchzulu]

19. Gee. i wonder who it could be..ahem..(cough) from...

Smells like Dean spirit.

[HuckleB]

20. Accusation without a link?

And lots of Kerry supporters pointing fingers without a link?

And then you'll turn around and ask for unity?

Excuse me?

[TLM]

22. Didn't Kerry's team just put out a pile of anti-Dean and anti-Clark flyers

seems that Kerry is only getting a dose of his own medicine.

Good.

If they came from Clark or Dean, who were the focus of Kerry's attack flyers this week, it would be perfectly justified.

[ibegurpard]

23. yup

eom

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. That's not Clark's style.

It's not him.

[Abigail147]

27. so if they are accurate statements,

what is the problem? You are allowed to point out them, aren't you? What makes it an attack and not a logical means of supporting your candidate? Dean campaign is not afraid of anyone so you must not be attempting to slur them.

[Duder]

28. CNN said...

Sounded like Dean talking points but Kerry camp suspects Clark.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. Good for them whoever it is.

I hope they keep up the good work.

[cosmicdot]

32. K.a.r.l. * R.o.v.e. and his Donald Segretti goons

[mikehiggins]

33. Four letters...Hamm, man of mystery eom

[Cuban_Liberal]

41. The Kerry campaign thinks it's the Clark campaign

That's what the guy on CNN who reported the story said.

[emulatorloo]

42. GOP RNC ROVe etc

I think all the dirty tricks we are seeing have those fingerprints. . .oh I hope they get caught at it.

[dsc]

43. Why no link?

Why no scan of the flier? Why oh why?